Charlotte/Raleigh Highrise Building Booms

[Hushpuppy321]

On 5/30/2022 at 9:12 PM, CLT Development said:

I know of 26 high rises in South End, Gold District and Dilworth alone, and none are arbitrary zonings *up to a certain height.* This does not include Uptown, Midtown, South Park, and Ballantyne. I will say though, we should all be wary we have surpassed 2008-2010 proposals, and its a big red flag.

Yep - some may never get off the ground if we don’t get this inflationary escalation under control.  Could enter a big recession by the years end.  I hope not though, I love all the cranes in CLT.

[turbocraig]

Kinda related..

 

[Take2]

On 5/18/2022 at 10:11 PM, KJHburg said:

^ Yes North Hills is booming   They are building this office tower https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/one-north-hills-tower/  and a huge RH store like the one at Phillips Place and an apartment tower https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/nhx-north-tower-apartments/    

North Hills in Raleigh is the densest suburban edge city between DC and Atlanta. 

"North Hills" sounds about as vanilla an area ever!! So is it like their version of SouthPark?

[Bolt]

More dense.  A  lot more coming with innovation District and mid town exchange. 

[KJHburg]

I can love Raleigh and Charlotte at the same time.  anyone of you have 2 children?  I live in Charlotte but like what is going on in Raleigh too. 

by the way one half of this two tower complex is under construction at Midtown Exchange in north Raleigh  actually adjacent to the North Hills area. 

http://www.rjtplusr.com/html website/officeMTX.html

[KJHburg]

On 7/24/2022 at 2:32 AM, Take2 said:

"North Hills" sounds about as vanilla an area ever!! So is it like their version of SouthPark?

here is what North Hills is building right now and I mean under construction

https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/one-north-hills-tower/

https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/nhid/

It is the highest density mixed use complex in a suburban setting between DC area and Atlanta.  

the main retail is open air center with multiple hotels, apartment buildings, office towers.

https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/north-hills/

I would highly recommend you visit if you are in the area.  

[DJ8hep]

here is what North Hills is building right now and I mean under construction
https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/one-north-hills-tower/
https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/nhid/
It is the highest density mixed use complex in a suburban setting between DC area and Atlanta.  
the main retail is open air center with multiple hotels, apartment buildings, office towers.
https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/north-hills/
I would highly recommend you visit if you are in the area.  

I haven’t really explored Raleigh yet so I definitely am curious to visit and see what they having going on over there!

[Take2]

2 hours ago, KJHburg said:

here is what North Hills is building right now and I mean under construction

https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/one-north-hills-tower/

https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/nhid/

It is the highest density mixed use complex in a suburban setting between DC area and Atlanta.  

the main retail is open air center with multiple hotels, apartment buildings, office towers.

https://kanerealtycorp.com/project/north-hills/

I would highly recommend you visit if you are in the area.  

  Wow. I checked it out on IG and a bit surprised. So the North Hills area collectively has a higher density than SouthPark? 

One thing is certain, the architecture is much better then what we see in SouthPark now, and especially what's coming down the pipeline. 

My sister lives in Durham. I'll have to drift over to Raleigh and make a day of it this fall. 

[kayman]

11 hours ago, KJHburg said:

I can love Raleigh and Charlotte at the same time.  anyone of you have 2 children?  I live in Charlotte but like what is going on in Raleigh too. 

by the way one half of this two tower complex is under construction at Midtown Exchange in north Raleigh  actually adjacent to the North Hills area. 

http://www.rjtplusr.com/html website/officeMTX.html

I briefly lived in the Triangle before moving to Charlotte.  Yeah I appreciate the Triangle for its three anchor cities variety offers. 

However,  its delusional boosters need to realize that it will not surpass Charlotte ever.  There are several things that would have to occur, be present,  and it's just not there in the Triangle.  Dense urban nodes along with more racial diversity are very possible there in the Triangle especially Raleigh. 

I've also lived in 6 other states along with 4 other major cities before relocating to Charlotte.  I just don't see nor feel the urban vibe or cultural diversity backbone of a major city there in Raleigh. 

Charlotte is the major city, travel/logistics, sporting events & cultural hub of the Carolinas.  Charlotte's location on the state line with South Carolina suburbs, racial diversity, and overall prominence has earned that respect. 

This delusional sense of usurping of Charlotte by Raleigh boosters are weird and irrational.  

Edited August 3, 2022 by kayman

[15895]

1 hour ago, kayman said:

I briefly lived in the Triangle before moving to Charlotte.  Yeah I appreciate the Triangle for its three anchor cities variety offers. 

However,  its delusional boosters need to realize that it will not surpass Charlotte ever.  There are several things that occur have to happen to metriculate and be present into that and it's just not there in the Triangle.  Dense urban nodes along with more racial diversity are very possible there in the Triangle especially Raleigh. 

I've also lived in 6 other states along with 4 other major cities before relocating to Charlotte.  I just don't see nor feel the urban vibe or cultural diversity backbone of a major city there in Raleigh. 

Charlotte is the major city, travel/logistics, sporting events & cultural hub of the Carolinas.  Charlotte's location on the state line with South Carolina suburbs, racial diversity, and overall prominence has earned that respect. 

This delusional sense of usurping of Charlotte by Raleigh boosters are weird and irrational.  

You lived in 4 other major cities and you don’t find the rhetoric of calling Raleigh boosters “delusional”, whether Raleigh will surpass/usurping Charlotte sort of silly? 

Charlotte isn’t that much more urban versus Raleigh. NoDa’s dense urbanity  is so tiny - same for Plaza Midwood. Especially compared to say the Warehouse District or Glenwood South. 

I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility Triangle passes metro Charlotte. I mean. It’s not less likely than Charlotte catching up to Atlanta, Seattle, Washington DC, Bay Area (but San Francisco MSA is adding around the same as Charlotte) etc all of which have consistently been adding way more people per decade than Charlotte. New York has been adding over double Charlotte (NY added 1.2 million people 2010-2020). If you read Charlotte boosters, everybody is fleeing those areas to Charlotte (well not Atlanta but some boosters do think Charlotte is catching up to ATL but ATL is blowing past Charlotte in adding people) and plotting which fortune 500’s they’re gonna poach. It’s been over a decade Wells still hasn’t moved from San Francisco. Not saying it won’t but…

In any event. It’s not pleasant to read things like Raleigh boosters being delusional, etc. Aren’t we all a little delusional? 

Edited August 3, 2022 by AirNostrumMAD

[HopHead]

How about Charlotte and Raleigh boosters just learn to co-exist with one another and realize both metros offer very positive things to the NC economy and image? The narrative that one is superior to the other on this board has become so F'ing exhausting... 

[kayman]

35 minutes ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

You lived in 4 other major cities and you don’t find the rhetoric of calling Raleigh boosters “delusional”, whether Raleigh will surpass/usurping Charlotte sort of silly? 

Charlotte isn’t that much more urban versus Raleigh. NoDa’s dense urbanity  is so tiny - same for Plaza Midwood. Especially compared to say the Warehouse District or Glenwood South. 

I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility Triangle passes metro Charlotte. I mean. It’s not less likely than Charlotte catching up to Atlanta, Seattle, Washington DC, Bay Area (but San Francisco MSA is adding around the same as Charlotte) etc all of which have consistently been adding way more people per decade than Charlotte. New York has been adding over double Charlotte (NY added 1.2 million people 2010-2020). If you read Charlotte boosters, everybody is fleeing those areas to Charlotte (well not Atlanta but some boosters do think Charlotte is catching up to ATL but ATL is blowing past Charlotte in adding people) and plotting which fortune 500’s they’re gonna poach. It’s been over a decade Wells still hasn’t moved from San Francisco. Not saying it won’t but…

In any event. It’s not pleasant to read things like Raleigh boosters being delusional, etc. Aren’t we all a little delusional? 

It is delusional and meant it.  There's a vibe and feel in Charlotte that's not there.  No those aforementioned areas in Raleigh do not feel more urban.  They feel like just another part of downtown Raleigh.

You have your opinion & I just expressed mine. We'll  have to agree to disagree. It is what it is...

Edited August 3, 2022 by kayman

[15895]

20 minutes ago, kayman said:

It is delusional and meant it.  There's a vibe and feel in Charlotte that's not there.  No those aforementioned areas in Raleigh do not feel more urban.  They feel like just another part of downtown Raleigh.

You have your opinion & I just expressed mine. We'll  have to agree to disagree. It is what it is...

We can agree to disagree. Sure.

I' m still not sure who was being a delusional booster & how that came up, but its extremely ironic. 

[KJHburg]

I actually think it is FANTASTIC with have 2 major metro areas growing fast in this state propelling the state forward.  Raleigh Durham's economy is  like an Austin but with more biopharma and Charlotte's economy is like a Dallas airline hub, emerging tech, financial and HQ city.  I could not give a hoot whether Raleigh Durham ever catches up with Charlotte nor have I ever heard anyone say that in the Triangle.     Face it NC has multiple cylinders but other states have only one major growing metro.  We are blessed in this state and I hope we can get the Triad Greensboro Winston Salem to be our 3rd fast growing metro.   I do tire of people here putting down Raleigh and Durham and likewise.  It is juvenile.  Think of it this way we are brothers and we are up against the Tennessee and Georgia boys and those Texans. I am PRO NC metros vs anyone else in any other state.  

[DJ8hep]

I actually think it is FANTASTIC with have 2 major metro areas growing fast in this state propelling the state forward.  Raleigh Durham's economy is  like an Austin but with more biopharma and Charlotte's economy is like a Dallas airline hub, emerging tech, financial and HQ city.  I could not give a hoot whether Raleigh Durham ever catches up with Charlotte nor have I ever heard anyone say that in the Triangle.     Face it NC has multiple cylinders but other states have only one major growing metro.  We are blessed in this state and I hope we can get the Triad Greensboro Winston Salem to be our 3rd fast growing metro.   I do tire of people here putting down Raleigh and Durham and likewise.  It is juvenile.  Think of it this way we are brothers and we are up against the Tennessee and Georgia boys and those Texans. I am PRO NC metros vs anyone else in any other state.  

Right though?! I agree, it’s amazing that NC has so many metros! I always wished Minneapolis and St. Paul were further apart so they could have their own metros (they always seemed kind of codependent on each other [emoji23]). I think I need to take a NC road-trip to explore all these fascinating metros!

[Bolt]

The Triangle, with its many nodes is starting to fill in.  Hub RTP, Downtown Durham, Downtown Raleigh,  Midtown Raleigh, Cary and all of the other super nice suburb towns of Wake County.   Not to mention the high quality growth taking place in eastern Chatham county.   With Vinfast approaching , manufacturing will start to add to the all ready booming economy there.  It’s just a different type of economy than Charlotte.   I think that area is very similar to Austin Tx was 20 years ago and is now just starting to catch fire.   RDU already attracting additional flights, if it lands a hub, (United could  use a Southeast hub ) all bets are off.   The highly educated and very wealthy demographics of the Triangle are hard to ignore. 

[kayman]

2 hours ago, Bolt said:

The Triangle, with its many nodes is starting to fill in.  Hub RTP, Downtown Durham, Downtown Raleigh,  Midtown Raleigh, Cary and all of the other super nice suburb towns of Wake County.   Not to mention the high quality growth taking place in eastern Chatham county.   With Vinfast approaching , manufacturing will start to add to the all ready booming economy there.  It’s just a different type of economy than Charlotte.   I think that area is very similar to Austin Tx was 20 years ago and is now just starting to catch fire.   RDU already attracting additional flights, if it lands a hub, (United could  use a Southeast hub ) all bets are off.   The highly educated and very wealthy demographics of the Triangle are hard to ignore. 

Exhibit A.... point proven. You all have a good weekend. 

Edited August 5, 2022 by kayman

[Rufus]

2 hours ago, kayman said:

Exhibit A.... point proven. You all have a good weekend. 

I don't see anywhere where the poster said Raleigh would overtake Charlotte. I think the Triangle has long struggled (more than Charlotte) with the suburban nature of the metro, and we are only recently seeing real efforts to urbanize and change the fabric of each city. I don't think being proud and excited for the future of Raleigh should be conflated with usurping Charlotte. As Bolt mentioned, it's a different economy, and a different region. It's going to grow similarly but ultimately in a different way than Charlotte. 

Plus, there are some in this very forum that want Charlotte to reach the heights of NYC, San Fran, etc. It's ok to want to aim higher. No need to drag the Triangle and the posters on here for wanting what Charlotte has. 

[15895]

11 hours ago, kayman said:

Exhibit A.... point proven. You all have a good weekend. 

Isn’t Charlotte the least dense urban area  in the world or something? Some of the data is old but the trend is the same and accelerated during Covid as people moved to the ‘burbs. 

https://www.newgeography.com/content/004130-the-evolving-urban-form-charlotte

https://kiss951.com/2021/11/12/charlotte-is-the-fastest-growing-low-density-city/

 

 “Charlotte is not only less dense than Atlanta, the world's least dense urban area with more than 4,000,000 residents, but it is only one-quarter the density of the supposed  “sprawl capital” of Los Angeles”

Edited August 5, 2022 by AirNostrumMAD

[CLT2014]

This thread is going to become a City-Data thread soon. 

[turbocraig]

https://www.newgeography.com/content/004130-the-evolving-urban-form-charlotte
 

^This Wendell Cox confounds me.  Reading that article, he appears to really, really dislike Charlotte like he has a personal grudge.  Look at that closer, sheesh.  And big chunks of this article look like they were lifted straight from 2014 Wikipedia (Nation’s Bank??).  He’s the author of a book arguing against anti-sprawl policies in urban areas.  Weird.  Here it is on Amazon where 7 out of the 9 reviews of his self-published book are 1-star.
 

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0595399487/ref=cm_cr_othr_mb_show_all_top?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews

Edited August 5, 2022 by turbocraig

[Hushpuppy321]

5 hours ago, AirNostrumMAD said:

Isn’t Charlotte the least dense urban area  in the world or something? Some of the data is old but the trend is the same and accelerated during Covid as people moved to the ‘burbs. 

https://www.newgeography.com/content/004130-the-evolving-urban-form-charlotte

https://kiss951.com/2021/11/12/charlotte-is-the-fastest-growing-low-density-city/

 

 “Charlotte is not only less dense than Atlanta, the world's least dense urban area with more than 4,000,000 residents, but it is only one-quarter the density of the supposed  “sprawl capital” of Los Angeles”

This can’t be true - I think Jacksonville, FL gets that title.  Charlotte is densifying in quite remarkable ways currently.  As far as Highrises it will be unmatched anywhere else in the State but the Triangle Area does rate at being more Livable and Affluent in almost every published article.

Both areas have their own qualities.

[kayman]

On 8/5/2022 at 8:25 AM, AirNostrumMAD said:

Isn’t Charlotte the least dense urban area  in the world or something? Some of the data is old but the trend is the same and accelerated during Covid as people moved to the ‘burbs. 

https://www.newgeography.com/content/004130-the-evolving-urban-form-charlotte

https://kiss951.com/2021/11/12/charlotte-is-the-fastest-growing-low-density-city/

 

 “Charlotte is not only less dense than Atlanta, the world's least dense urban area with more than 4,000,000 residents, but it is only one-quarter the density of the supposed  “sprawl capital” of Los Angeles”

The data is 12 years old.  Let it go, dude, bc I meant what I said earlier.

Edited August 6, 2022 by kayman

[Take2]

On 8/6/2022 at 3:45 PM, kayman said:

The data is 12 years old.  Let it go, dude, bc I meant what I said earlier.

I was thinking the same... who posts 10yr old data about Charlotte's density?  Charlotte is riddled with cranes from NoDa to LoSo and P-M to JCSU.... and Raleigh builds 2 new towers downtown and suddenly they are "usurping " Charlotte. Sure let's go with that because the two couldnt be more different.  Charlotte wants something? The Queen will scratch your eyes out getting it!  Anyway this thread is reaching silly level. Yes, I contributed to the silliness.... sorry

[urbanlover568]

On 8/5/2022 at 8:25 AM, AirNostrumMAD said:

Isn’t Charlotte the least dense urban area  in the world or something? Some of the data is old but the trend is the same and accelerated during Covid as people moved to the ‘burbs. 

https://www.newgeography.com/content/004130-the-evolving-urban-form-charlotte

https://kiss951.com/2021/11/12/charlotte-is-the-fastest-growing-low-density-city/

 

 “Charlotte is not only less dense than Atlanta, the world's least dense urban area with more than 4,000,000 residents, but it is only one-quarter the density of the supposed  “sprawl capital” of Los Angeles”

Landlord's need to lower rent in the Cities. Cities are in a affordability crisis now with incomes not keeping up. I don't know how that would be resolved. Hat's off to the person who solves it!