Crescent: Carson Southend (Enterprise site) S. Tryon x Carson MXD

[DMann]

How about calling it DownSouth?

[Skyybutter]

9 hours ago, The Real Clayton said:

I've been trying to rebrand it "Downtown"

That would be re-rebrand it "Downtown"... Downtown->Uptown->Center City->Uptown->who cares at this point right. Just keep building! I often think of people that are within 2hrs of Charlotte and wonder what they make (or if they care) about the many neighborhoods in the city. 

NoDa. Plaza-Midwood.  LoSo. Uptown. Midtown. Southend. SouthPark. Wilmore.  and so many more I can't keep up.  Do they just call it all Charlotte or maybe they know of the major ones at best. 

[SydneyCarton]

Wow!!!

[Reverie39]

37 minutes ago, Skyybutter said:

That would be re-rebrand it "Downtown"... Downtown->Uptown->Center City->Uptown->who cares at this point right. Just keep building! I often think of people that are within 2hrs of Charlotte and wonder what they make (or if they care) about the many neighborhoods in the city. 

NoDa. Plaza-Midwood.  LoSo. Uptown. Midtown. Southend. SouthPark. Wilmore.  and so many more I can't keep up.  Do they just call it all Charlotte or maybe they know of the major ones at best. 

My experience in the Triangle has been that people know Uptown and NoDa pretty well but that’s about it. I have heard occasional mention of SouthPark. I also imagine South End will become more of a household name around the Carolinas over the coming decade. You probably won’t find anyone aware of Plaza-Midwood, Wilmore, etc. though. 

[SydneyCarton]

I think that Crescent did a very nice job with Ally,  but it seems that they saved their best effort for SouthEnd.

[Mid South NC]

1 hour ago, Skyybutter said:

That would be re-rebrand it "Downtown"... Downtown->Uptown->Center City->Uptown->who cares at this point right. Just keep building! I often think of people that are within 2hrs of Charlotte and wonder what they make (or if they care) about the many neighborhoods in the city. 

NoDa. Plaza-Midwood.  LoSo. Uptown. Midtown. Southend. SouthPark. Wilmore.  and so many more I can't keep up.  Do they just call it all Charlotte or maybe they know of the major ones at best. 

 
I care. Though I reside 2 hours away, (100 miles exactly), but work in the city 3 days/week, commuting all 3 days, (as I prefer my own bed at night), and I certainly know the areas of the city,  and refer to them by their names, as though I'm a lifelong resident lol 

ps yes I have full work schedule autonomy, and am reimbursed for travel, so that certainly helps tremendously. 

[ertley]

2 hours ago, DMann said:

How about calling it DownSouth?

Coincidentally, I submitted a proposal to the city planners working on the Rail Trail pedestrian bridge across 277--and got a response from them, which I very much appreciated, regardless of outcome--proposing signage/art for the NW side/approach, labeling each arch as DOWNtown and SOUTHend:

Of course, these letters should be lighted at night, and be painted in bold color(s), not some dull minimalist white. Now @TheRealClayton's campaign to rebrand the area south of 277 is going to totally obviate my proposal! Wahh. I suppose you could substitute DOWNtown with UPtown, but you definitely can't have UPtown and DOWNtown on the arches, that wouldn't work.

My idea was that "DOWN" and "SOUTH" would be larger and in all caps to create sort of portmanteau of the two areas, for (IMO) a great landmark and/or branding opportunity for Charlotte. I thought highlighting DOWN SOUTH would help Charlotte visually stake its claim as a major Southern city. This side of the pedestrian bridge would be highly visible by any cameras panning from or around the stadium...

I argued in my email to the planners that--which I've posted on here before--that historically Uptown and Downtown were used interchangeably for, well, Uptown/Downtown, and I chose Downtown purely for the synergy potential with South End. Oh well, I tried my best. 

[KJHburg]

I actually like the name Down South as this new Carson S Tryon intersection is south of the existing uptown  likely these type of tall buildings will not be repeated further south at least not for years.   I will vote for Down South.  But I do think the other area nearby really needs the Gold District branding as it where the biggest gold mines were in this town. 

[RANYC]

11 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

I actually like the name Down South as this new Carson S Tryon intersection is south of the existing uptown  likely these type of tall buildings will not be repeated further south at least not for years.   I will vote for Down South.  But I do think the other area nearby really needs the Gold District branding as it where the biggest gold mines were in this town. 

KJH, you're awesome, but please God not "Down South."

As someone who regularly hosts friends from other countries in Charlotte since relocating here from NYC 3 years ago, I plead with you all that we stop confusing people with these names for the core part of urban Charlotte?  We don't sound original or authentic, we sound confused.  Bad enough we call what most consider a "Downtown," Uptown...but most folks can get over that.  If we decide to formalize a "Downtown" as an adjunct to Uptown (in this case, Carson row), we're using terms that are commonly associated with center city CBDs, and effectively branding a mega-CBD in Charlotte, comprised of an Uptown district and a Downtown district.  That'll be clear for visitors from Bordeaux to Paris to Berlin, planning their stays in Charlotte.

 

I can hear it now: "My realtor told us that South Charlotte is the nicest and wealthiest part of the city with the best schools, but the pictures looked very suburban and we want something more walkable and diverse.  So we are going to pass on Down South Charlotte for a denser and more urban offering."

"Oh no, Down South Charlotte isn't South Charlotte."

[SydneyCarton]

Does anyone know when demolition and excavation will start?

[Skyybutter]

2 hours ago, Mid South NC said:

 
I care. Though I reside 2 hours away, (100 miles exactly), but work in the city 3 days/week, commuting all 3 days, (as I prefer my own bed at night), and I certainly know the areas of the city,  and refer to them by their names, as though I'm a lifelong resident lol 

 

Interesting.  I knew many people at a former job that commuted from the Triad to Charlotte after a merger moved the headquarters from there to CLT. I commuted 61miles when I lived in Philly(1.5hrs one way). I know all about commuting. I knew areas of Philly like you know CLT. How similar our path. 

    I couldn't have cared less if an area of the city changed names. It rarely happened since as you know PHL is crazy old. 

  I'm sure you are aware that old time Charlotteans know what we refer to as Uptown, as Downtown. That is where "re-rebranded" comes from in my comment.

"Who cares at this point right" was me simply riding the excitement of all the spectacular growth happening around Charlotte. 

[Skyybutter]

3 hours ago, Reverie39 said:

My experience in the Triangle has been that people know Uptown and NoDa pretty well but that’s about it. I have heard occasional mention of SouthPark. I also imagine South End will become more of a household name around the Carolinas over the coming decade. You probably won’t find anyone aware of Plaza-Midwood, Wilmore, etc. though. 

Thanks so much for this insight! I'm shocked about people not knowing SouthPark though. I would think with the exclusive  retail there that lots of people from the Triangle would make a day or weekend of it for those stores. Thx again.

[carolinaboy]

13 hours ago, The Real Clayton said:

something a crap load cooler :-) 

Convention Center hotel?

[KJHburg]

Maybe this new high rise cluster at Carson and S Tryon should just be called the Gold District.  office developers I am sure would want their buildings in this area and reflects our gold mining history which took place right in this area. 

[atlrvr]

I fully support (no blue font) neighborhood names such at:

"Down South"
"Over Yonder"
"Reckonville"

Also, wish the Lynx station announcements said "The train is fixin' to be here in 1 minute"

[TheRealClayton]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Does anyone know when demolition and excavation will start?

Hasn't even closed yet. 

56 minutes ago, carolinaboy said:

Convention Center hotel?

The whole kitten caboodle 

[RANYC]

40 minutes ago, atlrvr said:

I fully support (no blue font) neighborhood names such at:

"Down South"
"Over Yonder"
"Reckonville"

Also, wish the Lynx station announcements said "The train is fixin' to be here in 1 minute"

fixin' or finna?  maybe depends on the stop?

[videtur quam contuor]

"To open door mash button"

[carolinaboy]

2 hours ago, TheRealClayton said:

The whole kitten caboodle 

Chewy HQ? Consolidate Boston, Florida, Texas operations in Charlotte?

[InSouthPark]

3 hours ago, atlrvr said:

I fully support (no blue font) neighborhood names such at:

"Down South"
"Over Yonder"
"Reckonville"

Also, wish the Lynx station announcements said "The train is fixin' to be here in 1 minute"

All of those are 100x times better than LoSo.

I do declare...it shall be known as "Down South".  

[Hushpuppy321]

7 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Does anyone know when demolition and excavation will start?

Not sure but my bet would be in the next year like maybe 1st or 2nd Quarter of 2023.  Guess based on @TheRealClaytonsaying they haven’t closed on the parcel yet and my knowledge of Construction and how hard of a time companies have been having getting/keeping experienced staff.

[JRCLT]

Coincidentally, I submitted a proposal to the city planners working on the Rail Trail pedestrian bridge across 277--and got a response from them, which I very much appreciated, regardless of outcome--proposing signage/art for the NW side/approach, labeling each arch as DOWNtown and SOUTHend:
http://content.invisioncic.com/x329420/monthly_2022_02/IMG_0846.thumb.jpg.dd31e455ba4df8654b6d34aafca10253.jpg
Of course, these letters should be lighted at night, and be painted in bold color(s), not some dull minimalist white. Now @TheRealClayton's campaign to rebrand the area south of 277 is going to totally obviate my proposal! Wahh. I suppose you could substitute DOWNtown with UPtown, but you definitely can't have UPtown and DOWNtown on the arches, that wouldn't work.
My idea was that "DOWN" and "SOUTH" would be larger and in all caps to create sort of portmanteau of the two areas, for (IMO) a great landmark and/or branding opportunity for Charlotte. I thought highlighting DOWN SOUTH would help Charlotte visually stake its claim as a major Southern city. This side of the pedestrian bridge would be highly visible by any cameras panning from or around the stadium...
I argued in my email to the planners that--which I've posted on here before--that historically Uptown and Downtown were used interchangeably for, well, Uptown/Downtown, and I chose Downtown purely for the synergy potential with South End. Oh well, I tried my best. 

I like what you’re saying but thinking about it a little more Charlotte is generally “UP SOUTH” if you will lol. On the upper half of the south. I wouldn’t say UPtown wouldn’t be just as good.

[jednc]

On 2/8/2022 at 10:46 PM, The Real Clayton said:

something a crap load cooler :-) 

So, did I miss this cool announcement today?

[SydneyCarton]

On 2/9/2022 at 8:36 AM, Skyybutter said:

That would be re-rebrand it "Downtown"... Downtown->Uptown->Center City->Uptown->who cares at this point right. Just keep building! I often think of people that are within 2hrs of Charlotte and wonder what they make (or if they care) about the many neighborhoods in the city. 

NoDa. Plaza-Midwood.  LoSo. Uptown. Midtown. Southend. SouthPark. Wilmore.  and so many more I can't keep up.  Do they just call it all Charlotte or maybe they know of the major ones at best. 

I love Charlotte.  I lived there for many years and visit every two months.  I really enjoy every return visit.  I enjoy seeing the places that I loved spending time, and I really appreciate seeing how it’s always changing and improving.

Unlike me, in Chapel Hill, most people aren’t really interested in it except for attending Panthers games.   (Their loss.)

In Raleigh, I get the impression that most people view Charlotte with an unmitigated, extreme Napoleon Complex.

Edited February 10, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[Blue_Devil]

11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I love Charlotte.  I lived there for many years and visit every two months.  I really enjoy every return visit.  I enjoy seeing the places that I loved spending time, and I really appreciate seeing how it’s always changing and improving.

Unlike me, in Chapel Hill, most people aren’t really interested in it except for attending Panthers games.   (Their loss.)

In Raleigh, I get the impression that most people view it with an unmitigated, extreme Napoleon Complex.

Yah, Raleigh is weird about Charlotte. Before I moved here, I had never been to the city. I talked with a few friends who live in Raleigh, and you would have sworn Charlotte was Gary Indiana... Crime, Poverty, homelessness, and nothing to do. Banks are the only reason anyone is there. Soulless corporate park. 

Coming from that area, Charlotte is 100x the city Raleigh is, and what Raleigh wishes it could become.