New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)

[Armacing]

On 4/25/2022 at 11:14 AM, Melrose said:

Far worse is that the Titans are actually getting any writers to go along with the "economic impact" arguments this time around.  

Just ask yourself who is getting rich off of this deal and you will know why many people in power have a vested interest in promoting the dubious "economic impact" angle of this story to the uninformed masses. 

[go_outside]

Mayor Cooper notably did not mention the Titans stadium in this morning's State of Metro address. From the Nashville Scene:

A redeveloped East Bank has been a major Cooper project for months. It too went unmentioned Wednesday, as did Oracle and the Titans... A possible reason for these omissions: People are just not that happy about them. An internal poll in the mayor’s office is rumored to have confirmed as much, leading to content revisions in Wednesday’s speech.

[nashvylle]

13 hours ago, go_outside said:

Mayor Cooper notably did not mention the Titans stadium in this morning's State of Metro address. From the Nashville Scene:

A redeveloped East Bank has been a major Cooper project for months. It too went unmentioned Wednesday, as did Oracle and the Titans... A possible reason for these omissions: People are just not that happy about them. An internal poll in the mayor’s office is rumored to have confirmed as much, leading to content revisions in Wednesday’s speech.

Mayor Cooper not mentioning anything on East Bank is different from mentioning everything on East Bank but the Titans, in my opinion. 

[Melrose]

19 hours ago, go_outside said:

An internal poll in the mayor’s office is rumored to have confirmed as much, leading to content revisions in Wednesday’s speech.

Ya think....

[samsonh]

On 4/27/2022 at 5:37 PM, go_outside said:

Mayor Cooper notably did not mention the Titans stadium in this morning's State of Metro address. From the Nashville Scene:

A redeveloped East Bank has been a major Cooper project for months. It too went unmentioned Wednesday, as did Oracle and the Titans... A possible reason for these omissions: People are just not that happy about them. An internal poll in the mayor’s office is rumored to have confirmed as much, leading to content revisions in Wednesday’s speech.

Titans certainly did not liquidate any assets to keep one of their top 3 players. Team being cheap.

[nashvylle]

AJ brown asked for $80mm guaranteed. Lol 

[MidTenn1]

Titans pick Manica Architecture to do the initial concept designs for the stadium. From VENUES NOW.

Quote

Manica Architecture is on one of the hottest streaks in recent memory across sports architecture. The Tennessee Titans confirmed they have selected the small Kansas City shop to design initial concepts for their proposed $2 billion stadium.

The upstart design firm is responsible for planning the stadium’s programming and concept elements. The Titans selected Manica in tandem with CAA Icon, owner’s representative for the project, sources said.

 

[Bos2Nash]

16 hours ago, MidTenn1 said:

Titans pick Manica Architecture to do the initial concept designs for the stadium. From VENUES NOW.

Interesting. So they are still in the early stages of design. Surprised the Titans moved on from Gensler if they were already involved with the team. Manica must be looking at a whole new program and and concept to the proposal. I still don’t see how they would get the project done by 2026 if they are only now investigating concepts/program.  David Manica was also with HOK Sport (now Populous) for 13 years, so basically it is from the HOK/Populous tree, but not really haha
 

Icon CAA served as owner reps for Geodis Park, which we all know how well that construction process went. Titans must have been understandably impressed with the process for the soccer stadium to hire them. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Bos2Nash
David Manica info

[markhollin]

Manica Architecture also designed the new Raiders' Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, a new Bears' stadium in the Chicago suburbs, Golden State Warrior's new Chase Center basketball arena,  a proposed arena for the Arizona Coyotes in Phoenix, and upgrades for Cleveland Guardian's Progressive Field ballpark.  

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/titans-pick-firm-behind-raiders-stadium-for-initial-concept-designs/article_84ec4d2c-cbb0-11ec-9fca-c37548e3a2e5.html


And at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/05/05/tennessee-titans-select-kansas-city-based-firm-for.html

[nashvylle]

15 hours ago, Bos2Nash said:

Interesting. So they are still in the early stages of design. 

Perhaps they are further in the design... they could have hired Manica months ago but just now getting out, 

[Bos2Nash]

11 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

Perhaps they are further in the design... they could have hired Manica months ago but just now getting out, 

Very true and they most likely did hire them awhile ago with certain NDAs in place. Now that public interests are starting to get involved is probably why news of who is working on what will be coming out. I would take a guess that they are no more than halfway through the design development phase as I would suspect an AOR would've been announced as well otherwise. Timeline really comes down to design at this point. I would expect the actual Construction Documents for a stadium like this could take upwards of 12 months.

I guess in theory the funding mechanisms could start coming into place in a concurrent timeline which may allow construction to start sooner rather than later. If I remember correctly it has been stated that the parking lot location would require remediation that is most likely more intense than what was required back in the 1997/1999 construction of Nissan, which would obviously stretch that timeline out. Once that remediation and financing gets finalized it looks like the MLS stadium took about 27 months to complete after the bonds were finalized. I know that the 26 months has been thrown out there for construction timeline, but this stadium will be twice as large and will have a full roof, so speeding up construction by a month may be difficult. 

Additionally, I will be quite interested in how the flood mitigation strategies that were part of the latest East Bank study/infrastructure (see page 28 for context around snip below) will be integrated into the stadium as the current field is sunken down and everything on the East Bank is initially expected to be required to be raised up. I guess one could make the the assumption that the stadium is commercial, so the FFE of the stadium should be 6' higher from the current grades. Because the stadium is expected to be enclosed, I would expect that the field area should not be viewed as sacrificial in a large flood event, which requires the field to be at ±417' elevation and then everything else above that. 

[Rick Dalton]

Need a rendering like I need air

[Melrose]

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/revealed/revealed-titans-stadium-push-shows-family-connections-on-tennessees-capitol-hill

That Titans didn't ask for or need a domed stadium at all,  so they hired 15 lobbyists to not lobby for it.....

[Luvemtall]

46 minutes ago, Melrose said:

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/revealed/revealed-titans-stadium-push-shows-family-connections-on-tennessees-capitol-hill

That Titans didn't ask for or need a domed stadium at all,  so they hired 15 lobbyists to not lobby for it.....

Unfortunately that’s just business as usual, that’s the way of the world. Don’t matter what side of the aisle your on, that’s how the “system “ works. And no matter how much you or I or anyone might disagree, we’re not going to change it. On the matter of this new stadium, it’s a done deal . Don’t matter if it’s the Titans , the City, the State or combination of them all, it’s going to happen. 

[Armacing]

21 minutes ago, Luvemtall said:

Unfortunately that’s just business as usual, that’s the way of the world. Don’t matter what side of the aisle your on, that’s how the “system “ works. And no matter how much you or I or anyone might disagree, we’re not going to change it. On the matter of this new stadium, it’s a done deal . Don’t matter if it’s the Titans , the City, the State or combination of them all, it’s going to happen. 

Agree with most everything you said, except the part about that being "business as usual".  Actually, that's "government as usual".  I think Melrose did a good job of reminding the group that this entire process is not about improving the city at large or economic development, but rather enriching politicians and the corporations that bribe them.  Some people are fine with it and some are outraged by it, but either way there's no point in denying the reality of the situation.

[Luvemtall]

Armacing, you are right. I stand corrected. 

[grilled_cheese]

12 hours ago, Melrose said:

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/revealed/revealed-titans-stadium-push-shows-family-connections-on-tennessees-capitol-hill

That Titans didn't ask for or need a domed stadium at all,  so they hired 15 lobbyists to not lobby for it.....

This whole PR campaign has been really hilarious.

 

the Titans are really sh itty right now so we don't need a new stadium this one is awesome

The Titans get gud

Whoa guys we might need a new stadium

a wild dome drawing appears

titans have 'success'

OK guys I think we need a new stadium

Brah taxpayers, you won't have to pay for it

Oh, maybe some of your dollars will get used

Mayor Eyebrows talking about building stuff around where old titnasns stadiam is TO MAKE Moneiesyes up

Tetans org "oh well they will help pey for it"

Boomer daughter who didn't ever dew anything but inherit a team "wErE sElLiNg EvErYtHiNg We OwN tO fAciLiTaTe tHiS"

enter lobbyists

[Rick Dalton]

8 hours ago, grilled_cheese said:

This whole PR campaign has been really hilarious.

 

the Titans are really sh itty right now so we don't need a new stadium this one is awesome

The Titans get gud

Whoa guys we might need a new stadium

a wild dome drawing appears

titans have 'success'

OK guys I think we need a new stadium

Brah taxpayers, you won't have to pay for it

Oh, maybe some of your dollars will get used

Mayor Eyebrows talking about building stuff around where old titnasns stadiam is TO MAKE Moneiesyes up

Tetans org "oh well they will help pey for it"

Boomer daughter who didn't ever dew anything but inherit a team "wErE sElLiNg EvErYtHiNg We OwN tO fAciLiTaTe tHiS"

enter lobbyists

Cringe

[nashvylle]

Cooper makes his statement in support of the deal being made in opinion piece in Tennessean.

Mayor Cooper: Nashville’s football stadium will not be taxpayer burden under new plan| Opinion

https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/2022/05/12/mayor-cooper-nashvilles-new-football-stadium-not-burden/9732484002/

looks as if the titans will cover any cost overruns similar to NashvilleSC deal. 

 

I have added articles from NBJ and NP:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/05/13/cooper-titans-stadium.html

https://www.nashvillepost.com/sports/titans/cooper-claims-locals-won-t-pay-for-new-titans-stadium/article_447e5890-d27a-11ec-8115-4f988ab88ea4.html

Edited May 13, 2022 by nashvylle

[Melrose]

On 5/12/2022 at 8:45 PM, nashvylle said:

looks as if the titans will cover any cost overruns similar to NashvilleSC deal. 

Cooper's opinion piece states only that he has "asked" for this.  Obviously a vital requirement.   And again (and again and again),  the bigger one is will the Titans be on the hook if any revenue stream ever falls short of the amount necessary to cover the debt service?  

One part of this  piece, though, stood our over all others-   "The primary funding source for stadium construction will be the Titans and visitors to Nashville and the stadium campus. "

This certainly doesn't sound like a neighborhood with residential housing being constructed adjacent to the stadium, as has been teased by the Titans in their initial wave of PR.  It is ultimately what it is,  but if all we are getting around the stadium is a new Dave and Busters, some chain restaurants,  more hotels and a bunch of AirBnB's,  then beyond committing so much of our bond capacity to this stadium,  it really seems pretty darn silly to also be spending $500 Million on infrastructure to support a new tourist district, including the new bridge which is just meant to be a new Titans game off ramp.  It's a shame.   

[nashvylle]

12 hours ago, Melrose said:

Cooper's opinion piece states only that he has "asked" for this.  Obviously a vital requirement.   And again (and again and again),  the bigger one is will the Titans be on the hook if any revenue stream ever falls short of the amount necessary to cover the debt service?  

One part of this  piece, though, stood our over all others-   "The primary funding source for stadium construction will be the Titans and visitors to Nashville and the stadium campus. "

This certainly doesn't sound like a neighborhood with residential housing being constructed adjacent to the stadium, as has been teased by the Titans in their initial wave of PR.  It is ultimately what it is,  but if all we are getting around the stadium is a new Dave and Busters, some chain restaurants,  more hotels and a bunch of AirBnB's,  then beyond committing so much of our bond capacity to this stadium,  it really seems pretty darn silly to also be spending $500 Million on infrastructure to support a new tourist district, including the new bridge which is just meant to be a new Titans game off ramp.  It's a shame.   

Always Sunny in Philadelphia proves that Dave and Busters is a great restaurant!! 
 

in all seriousness, there is so much land around the stadium that I expect there to be a lot of everything (hotels, apartments, office, affordable housing, retail, restaurants, bars, childcare, etc) but not a Dave and Busters (nor anything like it). 

Deed restrictions on STR can be implemented by council, so let’s hope that happens. 

 

[henburg]

12 hours ago, Melrose said:

Cooper's opinion piece states only that he has "asked" for this.  Obviously a vital requirement.   And again (and again and again),  the bigger one is will the Titans be on the hook if any revenue stream ever falls short of the amount necessary to cover the debt service?  

One part of this  piece, though, stood our over all others-   "The primary funding source for stadium construction will be the Titans and visitors to Nashville and the stadium campus. "

This certainly doesn't sound like a neighborhood with residential housing being constructed adjacent to the stadium, as has been teased by the Titans in their initial wave of PR.  It is ultimately what it is,  but if all we are getting around the stadium is a new Dave and Busters, some chain restaurants,  more hotels and a bunch of AirBnB's,  then beyond committing so much of our bond capacity to this stadium,  it really seems pretty darn silly to also be spending $500 Million on infrastructure to support a new tourist district, including the new bridge which is just meant to be a new Titans game off ramp.  It's a shame.   

I certainly agree that this would be a bad turn of events that would reflect really poorly on Titans' leadership, but this is also a bit of a far conclusion to leap to based on one quote from an article. Something to keep an eye on for sure, but probably not the time for pitchforks yet either.

[nashvylle]

There are a lot of neighborhoods in Nashville that have both residents and tourists.

12South, Five Points, The Gulch, Germantown, Nashville Yards (will be).

 

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by nashvylle

[japan]

https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/pithinthewind/mayor-s-proposed-stadium-district-pushes-3-billion/article_87162272-d5a5-11ec-8bc1-3f454d50c2bb.html

[Melrose]

"After some confusion at this week’s Budget and Finance Committee meeting, Council Director Margaret Darby indicated that the city had made a $200 million "clerical error" and expects a $2.2 billion dollar price tag, making the Titans’ proposed new home the second-most-expensive stadium in the world."

Ah well, what's an extra $200 Million among friends?