Woven - West Greenville Village

[NewlyUpstate]

City Council vote was delayed until January after discussion last night it sounds like.

This quote in partcular gets me..

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“We don’t want that big city look in our little country town,” said another West Greenville resident.

Here's the presentation that was shared with council: https://www.greenvillesc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/10227?fileID=56680

Edited December 13, 2022 by NewlyUpstate

[vicupstate]

A vote was not planned for last night, just a presentation and discussion. 

[motonenterprises]

4 hours ago, NewlyUpstate said:

City Council vote was delayed until January after discussion last night it sounds like.

This quote in partcular gets me..

Here's the presentation that was shared with council: https://www.greenvillesc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/10227?fileID=56680

People like this should just find them a Mayberry like town and go live there. Greenville isn't a "little country town" as this person said. It's the seat of the most populated region in the state.

[Horatio Nelson]

12 hours ago, motonenterprises said:

People like this should just find them a Mayberry like town and go live there. Greenville isn't a "little country town" as this person said. It's the seat of the most populated region in the state.

It's a false choice. People think they have the choice between being a big city and a small town, but because you can't stop people from moving here the actual choice is between being an endless sprawling suburb (like Houston) or being a denser city with more managed growth.

[motonenterprises]

2 hours ago, Horatio Nelson said:

It's a false choice. People think they have the choice between being a big city and a small town, but because you can't stop people from moving here the actual choice is between being an endless sprawling suburb (like Houston) or being a denser city with more managed growth.

True

[gman430]

On 12/13/2022 at 4:43 PM, NewlyUpstate said:

City Council vote was delayed until January after discussion last night it sounds like.

This quote in partcular gets me..

Here's the presentation that was shared with council: https://www.greenvillesc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/10227?fileID=56680

Little country town? What planet is that person living on? Greenville is the largest MSA and county in the state.  Maybe she meant Greenville, Iowa?  

[gman430]

Going to City Council on January 9th:

https://www.greenvillesc.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Item/10268?fileID=56943

[vicupstate]

A big crowd is expected for the city council meeting tonight for the vote on Woven. I STRONGLY urge anyone in favor to attend in person if you are able.  

[gman430]

A. This single development is not the reason gentrification is occurring in that area. Not sure why these residents opposing it think it is.

B. Council voting against it won’t help improve the gentrification issue. In fact, it could make it worse because they would be voting against a project that includes affordable housing. 

Edited January 10, 2023 by gman430

[vicupstate]

This meeting is going off the rails. Councilman Gibson is a joke.  

[gman430]

8 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

This meeting is going off the rails. Councilman Gibson is a joke.  

Not surprising. Is that even his district? These people should have stayed home and watch Georgia beat up on TCU instead.  Just vote on the damn thing and call it a day already. If it passes it passes. If it doesn’t it doesn’t. Reminds me of the US House taking 15 votes to approve Kevin McCarthy for speaker. The DRB meeting while it had its moments sounds like it was way more civilized than this one. 

Edited January 10, 2023 by gman430

[vicupstate]

Approved, same vote as first reading.

[gman430]

18 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

Approved, same vote as first reading.

Excellent.

edit: the vote was 4-3. I imagine it was Fleming, Dowe, and Gibson who voted no. 

Edited January 10, 2023 by gman430

[gman430]

Amendments approved with project: 

Any additional units must be affordable; if the proportion of affordable units changes, it has to go back to council; developer must meet with residents re park design; signage; deed restrictions for the below-market rate biz spaces.

[NewlyUpstate]

Looking forward to hearing less about this project and more dirt moving.  Thought the Mayor made some good remarks about housing density and NIMBY behavior.

This will be a great addition to West Greenville. Still need to ideate a way to get a spur of the SRT over there.

Edited January 10, 2023 by NewlyUpstate

[gman430]

1 hour ago, NewlyUpstate said:

Looking forward to hearing less about this project and more dirt moving.  Thought the Mayor made some good remarks about housing density and NIMBY behavior.

This will be a great addition to West Greenville. Still need to ideate a way to get a spur of the SRT over there.

Construction to start towards the end of this year. Here is what the mayor said at the meeting: 

“Every time we talk about affordable housing it’s always ‘oh not in my backyard, not here, it’s too big. No no, it’s too big,’ yes, it’s always a little bit too big that’s the only way you can do it. People in Charlotte would understand this argument, people in Atlanta would understand this argument, people in New York City and Brooklyn. It’s the same argument, same argument. With affordable housing it goes back to but how passionately do you feel about this. People have to have a place to live.”

Edited January 10, 2023 by gman430

[apaladin]

5 hours ago, gman430 said:

Excellent.

edit: the vote was 4-3. I imagine it was Fleming, Dowe, and Gibson who voted no. 

Doesn’t Fleming always vote no. It’s her MO.  At least Carlos got it right this time and didn’t give wrong information like last time, 

Edited January 10, 2023 by apaladin

[gman430]

1 hour ago, apaladin said:

Doesn’t Fleming always vote no. It’s her MO.  At least Carlos got it right this time and didn’t give wrong information like last time, 

Dowe is the one who always votes no when it comes to economic development projects in and around downtown. She was the only one to vote against the County Square project. 

Edited January 10, 2023 by gman430

[motonenterprises]

9 hours ago, gman430 said:

Construction to start towards the end of this year. Here is what the mayor said at the meeting: 

“Every time we talk about affordable housing it’s always ‘oh not in my backyard, not here, it’s too big. No no, it’s too big,’ yes, it’s always a little bit too big that’s the only way you can do it. People in Charlotte would understand this argument, people in Atlanta would understand this argument, people in New York City and Brooklyn. It’s the same argument, same argument. With affordable housing it goes back to but how passionately do you feel about this. People have to have a place to live.”

But, but, but this is Mayberry. That's what they think. Lol.

[PuppiesandKittens]

22 hours ago, motonenterprises said:

But, but, but this is Mayberry. That's what they think. Lol.

True.

I certainly sympathize with the concerns of residents being pushed out because of gentrification.   But I was also troubled by the race-based animosity of some, criticizing the “white men” who voted in favor of the project.   

[motonenterprises]

1 hour ago, PuppiesandKittens said:

True.

I certainly sympathize with the concerns of residents being pushed out because of gentrification.   But I was also troubled by the race-based animosity of some, criticizing the “white men” who voted in favor of the project.   

Well. I'm ethnic myself. I'd rather see a nice development vs a blighted drug riddled neighborhood. That has nothing to do with pushing out a certain race or group. Plus, I feel an investor has a right to sell his property vs sitting collecting cheap rent that is barely enough to keep the house up. I've been in that position. I'd sell to a development in a heartbeat.

[gman430]

On PC agenda for this month:

D. Z-10-2022 FDP NOT A PUBLIC HEARING
Application by Brian P. Schick, Michael H Watts and Ryan Johnston for a FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN on approximately 2.98 acres located at PENDELTON. TRACTION, SMITH, AND SACO STREETS for Z- 10-2022. (“WOVEN”) (TM# 0118001300200, 0118001300300, 0118001300501, 0118001300500, 0118001302800, 0118001302700, 0118001302600, 0118001302500, 0118001302400, 0118001400200, 0118001400300, 0118001400400)
 

[gman430]

Item #6: 

https://www.greenvillecounty.org/Council/_Agenda/Meetings of 2023/Finance Comm/2023.08.07/agenda.htm

Edited August 8, 2023 by gman430

[gman430]

Construction to start in 1st quarter 2024 and take two years: 

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2023/08/09/controversial-woven-project-approved-for-tax-break-by-county-council/70549427007/

[NewlyUpstate]

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Council also approved third reading of an ordinance that would give the developers of the woven project a line of credit.

The project is a mixed-use development that will have 214 apartment units, retail space and affordable housing. The final vote was 7 to 5.

https://www.wyff4.com/article/tensions-rise-between-greenville-county-council-members-as-meeting-abruptly-ends-tuesday/45213781#