4th & Elm (12 stories, 176 residential units, 11,844 sq. ft. of ground level retail, 95 capacity internal garage)

[markhollin]

4th & Elm will be a 12 story, 176 unit residential complex with 11,844 sq. ft. of street level retail/restaurant space, and a 95 capacity internal garage to be developed by CA South.  The 4 parcel lot has a main address of 712 4th Ave. South, and currently has surface parking and a nondescript, non-historical commercial structure on the site  that CA South will need to purchase.

Rextark Design Studio and Rome Office are the architects; Schaefer will oversee structural engineering; Thomas & Hutton will handle civil engineering. The team and CA South will go before Metro Planning Commission Downtown Code Design Review Committee on Dec. 8th to seek approval. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/sobro-site-targeted-for-mixed-use-building/article_54e180da-48dc-11ed-b7cf-13f6997c86d2.html


And at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/11/ca-south-sobro-residential-project.html
 

This is how the site looks currently:

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

[smeagolsfree]

Height is 132'

[UrbanWes03]

Wow, that like clump of 4 blocks around there filled up quickly this week! I like all the retail and the small amount of parking compared to the units, but I do wish it had more depth in terms of materials. The stair stepping features are nice though, and the shorter boxes along the street do give it a nice human scale. 

[andywildman]

Big fan of the design - both the simplicity in facade materials as well as the articulation to keep it interesting from the street but also to provide more corner windows.

I like that there's a lot of 2br & 3br units, a good chunk of retail, but I love that there's only half as many parking spots as units.

Any guesses as to whether this ends up STR/LTR/condos?

[smeagolsfree]

More coming from all of the talk I am hearing. more so on the other side of Lafayette as there is more available land there. I need to take a drive in that area to look at a few parcels though. I think there may be a few that are being looked at. There are only a few holdouts left.

[nashvylle]

1 hour ago, andywildman said:

Big fan of the design - both the simplicity in facade materials as well as the articulation to keep it interesting from the street but also to provide more corner windows.

I like that there's a lot of 2br & 3br units, a good chunk of retail, but I love that there's only half as many parking spots as units.

Any guesses as to whether this ends up STR/LTR/condos?

the extremely low parking ratio indicates this project could be for STR, but planning tends to have deed restrictions on STR if the developer wants bonus height... 

[andywildman]

18 minutes ago, nashvylle said:

the extremely low parking ratio indicates this project could be for STR, but planning tends to have deed restrictions on STR if the developer wants bonus height... 

That was my first reaction, but the optimist in me is hopeful that this could end up for residents, not visitors.

[henburg]

I love the massing on this one, particularly the way that the pedestal stair steps as you go up the hill. What a simple, yet cool design feature

[nashville born]

Absolutely love the way the design gives the illusion of multiple towers as opposed to a boring, monolithic behemoth of a building.  Very nicely done.  Well played, indeed.

[MLBrumby]

19 minutes ago, nashville born said:

Absolutely love the way the design gives the illusion of multiple towers as opposed to a boring, monolithic behemoth of a building.  Very nicely done.  Well played, indeed.

Me too, but it's also a throwback design to the days when each apartment needed crossflow of air with open windows.  I just think those make for great looking buildings that "mix up" the elevation from the street. 

[Deangelo]

I like this residential project, this is nice for 12 stories.

[MontanaGuy]

46 minutes ago, High Rise Lover said:

I like this residential project, this is nice for 12 stories.

So do I, it's very unusual and interesting!

[Deangelo]

19 hours ago, MontanaGuy said:

So do I, it's very unusual and interesting!

It is interesting and different in a good way which is what i like. I will take this project over 1  20 story residential building. 

[PillowTalk4]

I like it.  Not in love with it.  I am one that wants to see more height in that area because I don't want to see swaths of low and midrise developments one right after another.  At least this one it is 12 stories and has some architectural interest.  I'm just hoping the area doesn't become inundated with 4-8 story buildings that would be better suited outside of the CBD.

Edited October 13, 2022 by PillowTalk4

[nashville born]

On 10/13/2022 at 12:51 PM, PillowTalk4 said:

 I'm just hoping the area doesn't become inundated with 4-8 story buildings that would be better suited outside of the CBD.

On the same page with you on this point.  It's definitely an AND point for me.  Like the project AND want more height in the area.  Hoping the Park Place and Centrum projects help usher more into the area.

[Rick Dalton]

You guys are too concerned with residential height. Manhattan is not only skyscrapers, head down to West/East Village and other residential communities to see more dense urban living. 12 stories is completely fine here. 

[markhollin]

NashvilleNowNext coverage of the announcement:

https://nashvillenownext.com/2022/10/17/ca-south-proposes-its-tallest-development-thus-far-in-downtown-nashville/#more-22120

[nashville born]

4 hours ago, natethegreat said:

You guys are too concerned with residential height. Manhattan is not only skyscrapers, head down to West/East Village and other residential communities to see more dense urban living. 12 stories is completely fine here. 

I'm not concerned.  It's simply a preference.  Others are welcome to theirs, and I hope I'm welcome to mine.

[smeagolsfree]

We need to do a poll and see how many on the board have been to NYC.

[Rlooper]

I now look at  the entire Nashville Region objectively.  There really isnt a comparison based on the unique conditions(or lack there of) of this area and in this state.  As a bourgeoning insider I hope we don't  neglect "the middle" that other cities have during their eras of growth. In the midst of a boom like this, you gotta have something that is eventually attainable by your citizens.  

[MLBrumby]

Robert, I see Nashville as being in a unique situation at a very unique time in history, much like Dallas in the late 1970s.  

I've been to every large and midsize northeastern and midwestern city. Some are doing very well. Some are just living off the fumes of their very large size and historical legacy while many are really hitting hard times. Growth-wise, the majority are standing still. I see that as a result of several things that Nashville has a unique opportunity to capitalize on. 

1.  Nashville at this time is at a "sweet spot" that Richard Florida describes at around 2-2.5 million in metro area population with a strong legacy core. 

2.  Nashville has a central location which is beneficial to logistics, which has been elevated in importance now after the pandemic.

3. Nashville is not close to any other major metro area (over 3 million) and for that reason is being granted by default the leadership "hub" recognition of a region that has recently been discovered and is now seeing high growth.

4. Nashville has a legacy creative community (by virtue of its music and publishing industry), and with its 80,000 college students. The new economy is largely dependent on a creative population. 

5.  Nashville has had several boomlets over the past 40 years that were arrested by some larger (usually national economy) force. Now the city has a critical mass, and while it may be slowed  a bit by national forces, it will be one of the metro areas that will withstand national downturns. 

6. Nashville has benefited, and will continue to do so, from wealth fleeing other mismanaged states, which the pandemic highlighted with the glaring comparisons between those states shut-down completely and those that were opened fully or partially. 

7. Nashville is an extremely attractive city in an extremely attractive region. People who visit there are taken aback at the beauty and the thriving clean city they see. The airport numbers show the sharp rise in pax over the past few years. That will continue indefinitely. 

That's my take at a glance... from the Goodyear blimp. 

19 minutes ago, Rlooper said:

I now look at  the entire Nashville Region objectively.  There really isnt a comparison based on the unique conditions(or lack there of) of this area and in this state.  As a bourgeoning insider I hope we don't  neglect "the middle" that other cities have during their eras of growth. In the midst of a boom like this, you gotta have something that is eventually attainable by your citizens.  

 

[Rlooper]

34 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

Robert, I see Nashville as being in a unique situation at a very unique time in history, much like Dallas in the late 1970s.  

I've been to every large and midsize northeastern and midwestern city. Some are doing very well. Some are just living off the fumes of their very large size and historical legacy while many are really hitting hard times. Growth-wise, the majority are standing still. I see that as a result of several things that Nashville has a unique opportunity to capitalize on. 

1.  Nashville at this time is at a "sweet spot" that Richard Florida describes at around 2-2.5 million in metro area population with a strong legacy core. 

2.  Nashville has a central location which is beneficial to logistics, which has been elevated in importance now after the pandemic.

3. Nashville is not close to any other major metro area (over 3 million) and for that reason is being granted by default the leadership "hub" recognition of a region that has recently been discovered and is now seeing high growth.

4. Nashville has a legacy creative community (by virtue of its music and publishing industry), and with its 80,000 college students. The new economy is largely dependent on a creative population. 

5.  Nashville has had several boomlets over the past 40 years that were arrested by some larger (usually national economy) force. Now the city has a critical mass, and while it may be slowed  a bit by national forces, it will be one of the metro areas that will withstand national downturns. 

6. Nashville has benefited, and will continue to do so, from wealth fleeing other mismanaged states, which the pandemic highlighted with the glaring comparisons between those states shut-down completely and those that were opened fully or partially. 

7. Nashville is an extremely attractive city in an extremely attractive region. People who visit there are taken aback at the beauty and the thriving clean city they see. The airport numbers show the sharp rise in pax over the past few years. That will continue indefinitely. 

That's my take at a glance... from the Goodyear blimp. 

 

Thats a good observation and I agree about the boomlets over the years, which can also be seen in the architecture, and honestly may not be the worse way to grow in some regards. I think one factor that's relatively new is the regulation (or lack there of) around STRs.  I think there is a place for them, however in Nashville its a Haven.  While in DC, the great development boom thats still happening, resulted in new people in and around the  downtown core.
 The wealth thats fleeing other places is being invested in Nashville which is different than large swaths of  people migrating here and activating the central core outside of tourism.  Those who are migrating are heading to Franklin, Wilco, Murfreesboro & Antioch ( not in that order).  I believe a lot of it is contributed to  the type of multifamily product we have Downtown; and of course the obvious is mass transit.  At this rate we are going to end up creating  clear and obvious boundaries of wealth and working class if we are only looking at WeGo bus service to tie it all together.  So I guess all im trying to say is a mix of building types downtown will provide greater access for more people given the circumstance.  

 

 

[nashville born]

16 hours ago, Rlooper said:

I believe a lot of it is contributed to  the type of multifamily product we have Downtown; and of course the obvious is mass transit.  At this rate we are going to end up creating  clear and obvious boundaries of wealth and working class if we are only looking at WeGo bus service to tie it all together.  So I guess all im trying to say is a mix of building types downtown will provide greater access for more people given the circumstance.  

Well said.

[PillowTalk4]

On 10/17/2022 at 10:07 AM, natethegreat said:

You guys are too concerned with residential height. Manhattan is not only skyscrapers, head down to West/East Village and other residential communities to see more dense urban living. 12 stories is completely fine here. 

Clearly Nashville is not only skyscrapers either.  I'm certainly not for every available lot in Nashville being a skyscraper.  I like seeing varying heights.  I love both the East and West Village of Manhattan.  I love walking the streets of both areas knowing that streets of row homes in particular are just blocks away from skyscrapers in every direction.  Just like I love that Rutledge Hill is part of Nashville's downtown core.  That midtown has a mixture of residential and commercial areas.  And, that Germantown sits to the north of downtown.  Which probably a better comparison to the East and West Village on a smaller scale.  But, to compare an area that stretches almost 11 miles (from the north of Central Park down to Battery Park) to this small area of Nashville is a bit overstated if that's your intent.  And, because I've walked from the East Village over to the West Village which is a little over a 2 miles (depending on where you start and end), I just think that's like comparing apples with oranges.      

[JoseBarnes]

On 10/11/2022 at 6:57 PM, markhollin said:

4th & Elm will be a 12 story, 176 unit residential complex with 11,844 sq. ft. of street level retail/restaurant space, and a 95 capacity internal garage to be developed by CA South.  The 4 parcel lot has a main address of 712 4th Ave. South, and currently has surface parking and a nondescript, non-historical commercial structure on the site  that CA South will need to purchase.

Rextark Design Studio and Rome Office are the architects; Schaefer will oversee structural engineering; Thomas & Hutton will handle civil engineering. The team and CA South will go before Metro Planning Commission Downtown Code Design Review Committee on Dec. 8th to seek approval. 

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/sobro-site-targeted-for-mixed-use-building/article_54e180da-48dc-11ed-b7cf-13f6997c86d2.html


And at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2022/10/11/ca-south-sobro-residential-project.html
 

This is how the site looks currently:

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in teal at the center of the frame:

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Edited November 22, 2022 by JoseBarnes