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2004 - 2000 Population Comparisons by Distance

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Every year ESRI (GIS software producer) provides data updates, which includes yearly population estimates performed by Geographic Data Technology, Inc. As I did in the past, I select the census block groups by distance from city center & summarize the total, doing this for 1, 5, & 10 mile buffers.

Time permiting (& since this is my last week at my current job - I may have plenty of time) I will do the analysis for more cities.

Additionally note - I included the sq mile of the selected block groups to provide reference on what size of an area is being studied. Often, a block group that is not primarily within the specified distance will be included if one part of it is within that proximity. Also, the size of the block group can distort the figures (New Orlean's density is much greater than the 5 & 10 mile buffer states). But typically, larger block groups indicate a smaller density, smaller block groups will most often be in the city center where the density is greater.

Ranking of population growth by one mile buffer

CITY, 2000,2004, SQ MILE,POP DIFF,POP GROWTH,POP DENSITY

CHARLOTTE,11401,13169,5.64,1768,13.43,2334.93

TAMPA,16508,18588,5.02,2080,11.19,3702.79

MIAMI,37384,41287,4.37,3903,9.45,9447.83

MEMPHIS,13176,14459,5.42,1283,8.87,2667.71

RALEIGH,19180,20299,5.18,1119,5.51,3918.73

NORFOLK,18250,18947,3.78,697,3.68,5012.43

ATLANTA,37857,39233,7.4,1376,3.51,5301.76

NASHVILLE,8180,8464,5.01,284,3.36,1689.42

ORLANDO,19103,19584,4.84,481,2.46,4046.28

JACKSONVILLE,15602,15671,6.86,69,0.44,2284.40

NEW ORLEANS,27102,27038,4.4,-64,-0.24,6145.00

LOUISVILLE,14093,13977,5.03,-116,-0.83,2778.73

RICHMOND,32103,31738,5.64,-365,-1.15,5627.30

ST PETERSBURG,24119,23818,4.72,-301,-1.26,5046.19

BIRMINGHAM,11554,11078,6.09,-476,-4.30,1819.05

Ranking of population growth by five mile buffer

CITY, MILE BUFFER,2000,2004, SQ MILE,POP DIFF,POP GROWTH,POP DENSITY

RALEIGH,5,185882,200508,101.73,14626,7.29,1970.98

CHARLOTTE,5,229080,240947,98.07,11867,4.93,2456.89

ORLANDO,5,298052,312835,88.65,14783,4.73,3528.88

TAMPA,5,219599,228328,79.39,8729,3.82,2876.03

ATLANTA,5,367431,379666,98.28,12235,3.22,3863.11

MIAMI,5,400464,410877,44.63,10413,2.53,9206.3

JACKSONVILLE,5,220747,223889,100.82,3142,1.4,2220.68

ST PETERSBURG,5,230655,232083,55.12,1428,0.62,4210.5

NASHVILLE,5,211268,211506,96.66,238,0.11,2188.14

NORFOLK,5,271036,270997,75.84,-39,-0.01,3573.27

RICHMOND,5,243003,240973,98.52,-2030,-0.84,2445.93

LOUISVILLE,5,261981,259488,86.76,-2493,-0.96,2990.87

NEW ORLEANS,5,466246,460860,159.66,-5386,-1.17,2886.51

MEMPHIS,5,169616,164334,261.3,-5282,-3.21,628.91

BIRMINGHAM,5,253034,244774,159.37,-8260,-3.37,1535.89

Rank of population growth by ten mile buffer

CITY, MILE BUFFER,2000,2004, SQ MILE,POP DIFF,POP GROWTH,POP DENSITY

RALEIGH,10,438881,499987,389.57,61106,12.22,1283.43

CHARLOTTE,10,555134,616665,366.27,61531,9.98,1683.64

ORLANDO,10,860640,936374,415.69,75734,8.09,2252.58

TAMPA,10,617609,661814,255.93,44205,6.68,2585.92

ATLANTA,10,986398,1041221,399.72,54823,5.27,2604.88

JACKSONVILLE,10,554564,580790,467.51,26226,4.52,1242.3

MIAMI,10,1065212,1098955,168.96,33743,3.07,6504.23

RICHMOND,10,549567,563896,355.52,14329,2.54,1586.12

NORFOLK,10,647587,658588,350,11001,1.67,1881.68

NASHVILLE,10,470333,477122,365.81,6789,1.42,1304.29

ST PETERSBURG,10,424233,428529,143.8,4296,1,2980.03

LOUISVILLE,10,593591,596313,370.35,2722,0.46,1610.13

NEW ORLEANS,10,862805,863846,503.38,1041,0.12,1716.09

BIRMINGHAM,10,519394,515005,519.96,-4389,-0.85,990.47

MEMPHIS,10,485934,476805,515.29,-9129,-1.91,925.31

Rank of Population Density - one mile buffer

Miami

New Orleans

Richmond

Atlanta

St Petersburg

Norfolk

Orlando

Raleigh

Tampa

Louisville

Rank of Population - one mile buffer

Miami

Atlanta

Richmond

New Orleans

St Petersburg

Raleigh

Orlando

Norfolk

Tampa

Jacksonville

Rank of Population Gain - one mile buffer

Miami

Tampa

Charlotte

Atlanta

Memphis

Raleigh

Norfolk

Orlando

Nashville

Jacksonville

Note: Tampa & St Petersburg 10 mile buffer overlaps over one another

Note: New Orleans 5 & 10 mile buffer includes Lake Pontchartrain.

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I'm really not much of a fan of Jacksonville. I'm a native Floridian from S. Florida but moved to Jacksonville after leaving Gainesville. Jacksonville doesn't really have the culture that other cities have. And while its downtown is fairly large, it just doesn't seem to be impressive. The Modis building and the bridges were really the only things I liked about downtown. I moved to Charlotte back in January of 2003 and the downtown here is just so much more impressive. Downtown Charlotte is so much newer than downtown Jacksonville and it almost seems like Charlotte is sitting on a hill. No matter what part of the city you are in you can practically always see the skyline. Jacksonville you can't even see the skyline from really anywhere.

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As well, a lot of cities include a significant water or unbuildable portion; Miami with biscayne bay and the ocean, Tampa with Tampba Bay, Atlanta with... well I guess Atlanta doesn't have an excuse. With those density numbers I'd guess the water portions aren't counted though. Is this correct?

Good job on the numbers. Interesting to see.

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Tampa, Miami, & Norfolk does not include block groups that cover major water bodies. I neglected to note that Jacksonville does include the river in the block group areas.

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Tampa, Miami, & Norfolk  does not include block groups that cover major water bodies.  I neglected to note that Jacksonville does include the river in the block group areas.

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thanks teshadow. great post. :D

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I'm really not much of a fan of Jacksonville.

pb4uxplode: Nice crude name. By the way, you must not have looked around Jacksonville much b/c I know of MANY vantage points from which you can see the downtown skyline, including the street in front of my house. There are also many views from along the river which are pretty stunning in my opinion. As to culture, I find it hard to believe Charlotte beats us (I think we would both score fairly low on this as compared with places like NYC or Chicago). In short, your comments are pretty shallow and, on behalf of Jacksonville, I say good riddance.

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Wow Riverside... take things personal much? You seem so riled up over Jacksonville I would guess you were the mayor LOL. Anyway, you must live very close to downtown in order to see the skyline. I lived right in between downtown and the beach for several years and the skyline just wasn't ever something that drew the attention of the masses. Have you ever been to Charlotte Riverside or are you just making assumptions based on what other people post on the internet? Whether you believe Charlotte has more culture than Jacksonville or not doesn't really matter. The fact is that it does. Downtown Charlotte has more fine dining, more theatre, more music, and a lot more diversity of things to do. Downtown Jacksonville isn't really the place to go. Uptown Charlotte is. Downtown Jacksonville doesn't draw the crowds that Uptown Charlotte does. I've been there for the 4th of July and all the major festivals and Jax really can't compare. Don't get me wrong, Jax is a decent city. It just isn't on the same level regarding potential as Charlotte. Jacksonville is too spread out and a lot of the culture is not packed into center city like it is here in Charlotte. While Jacksonville may have just as much culture as Charlotte, the downtown section definitely goes to Charlotte. Its really tough to make a comparison once you have lived in both places for several years. I used to think Jax was way better than Charlotte until I just gave up my loyalty and started opening my eyes.

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If you were between DT and the beaches, you were 10 miles away from DT, no wonder you couldn't see it. Keep in mind that Jacksonville doesn't cut down its trees so line of sight is another issue.

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That is another reason I stand firm in my point that Charlotte has a better skyline than Jax. I currently live about 15 miles from Uptown Charlotte and can easily see the skyline. Line of sight is just as much a factor here as it is there. Charlotte and its suburbs are loaded with trees. My neighborhood is practically in the middle of a forest. However, from a main road (Wilkinson Blvd.) you can clearly see Uptown Charlotte from 15 miles away even in the day time. Jacksonville is just not the same. Even on Beach or Atlantic the skyline is just rarely visible. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the fact that Jax is flat compared to Charlotte, but the overall effect is greater here in Charlotte at least in my humble opinion.

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I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the fact that Jax is flat compared to Charlotte,

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You just nailed it.

PS: I can't find the stats now but there is a site that ists 'urban' populations. That one accounts for water and boundaries appropriatly.

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I'm not hating on Jax, I promise. My brother is still down there and I return quite frequently to visit. I just think in regards to skyline and culture Charlotte has it beat (at least regarding the downtown area... Jax beach has a ton of stuff to do that Charlotte doesn't). One thing that I really like about Charlotte compared to Jax is the age of the buildings and the building style. Charlotte appears very new compared to Jax. The buildings in Jax are plain for the most part. Charlotte's 3 largest buildings (Corporate Center, Hertz Tower, One Wachovia) are all very nicely designed buildings and are kept up very well. While the Modis building in Jax is a cool building, I just don't think the overall effect of the city comes into play. Another big skyline issue is that there are 4 buildings over 500 feet in Charlotte compared to Jacksonville's 2. The two tallest buildings in Charlotte are also significantly larger than any in Jax which leads to the increased visibility of the skyline. Since Charlotte has a building about 300 feet taller than Jax, its no wonder the skyline looks so much better.

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I've been there for the 4th of July and all the major festivals and Jax really can't compare.

Are you saying fireworks are an example of Charlotte's culture? hahaha. As to festivals, when was the last time Charlotte hosted the Super Bowl? Or the ACC Championship game?

As to the skyline, I will agree that Charlotte has more, taller buildings than Jacksonville, but the setting in Charlotte is bland to say the least. I just dont think an inland city can compare in terms of scenery to a coastal/river city unless you are talking about Denver or Bham where they have mountains.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have only driven through Charlotte and have not spent any significant time there. I think there are probably positives and negatives with both cities. Look at the Jacksonville forums where I routinely rip the city leadership here.

As to a place to live, obviously everyone has different priorities and tastes. For example, I know a guy who moved to Charlotte from Jax for a job and hates it there. A relative has visited Charlotte a lot for work and he finds it boring. But, to each his own. Enjoy your new town.

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No, comparing the fireworks is not an example of culture. The 4th of July comparison is simply there to compare the mass gathering of people that takes place and the focus on the urban environment. For example in Jax you either go to Jax Beach or to the Landing for the fireworks shows. 4th of July here in Charlotte packs the entire downtown area with people. Streets are closed off and there are major musical performances that come along and perform for free in the streets. While we haven't had a Superbowl or an AFC Championship game (which we never will as the Panthers are in the NFC) we have a good deal of large activities. The Superbowl was given to Jax because the Jags owner was owed a favor by the NFL. He had to work his tail off in order to get enough cruise ships there to actually ensure the Superbowl could actually come there. The championship games have absolutely nothing to do with a city anyway, they go where the division leader goes. In regards to festivals, there is always something going on in Uptown Charlotte that attracts the masses. In the three days of this most recent Speed Street there were a half a million people in the streets of downtown Charlotte over a 3 day period. Major international bands drawing huge crowds of all sorts of different people. Country, rock, R&B, it was all here. There are also tons of museums and other cultural experiences here that just are not as abundant in Jax. How long were your friends in Charlotte? My first year here I hated it, but thenagain my first year in Jax I hated it too. It takes some time to adapt to a new place. I don't know how you can call it bland when you haven't spent time here. Just because some people you know may not like it, doesn't mean that there is not a lot to do. There is a focus on the downtown area here that causes a demand for events. We have things like Live After Five where its a giant street party after work in center city and tons of other events. College bowl games, soon to be an NBA arena, Speed Street, and literally tons of other activities that Jax simply does not have. I am not knocking Jax because there is a ton of stuff to do there to, but the difference is that Jax's things are too spread out. Charlotte's center city culture is greater than Jax's, period. I don't think anyone who has spent a significant amount of time in both cities could possibly disagree.

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The championship games have absolutely nothing to do with a city anyway, they go where the division leader goes.

The Atlantic Coast Conference football chamionship game was awarded to Jacksonville on an annual basis for several years over competing cities such as Orlando, ATL and Charlotte. This is unrelated to the NFL, this is college football (i.e. UNC, Duke, FSU, etc). So, according the ACC, we had a better package (which includes better weather in Dec.).

As to Charlotte, again I was not ripping Charlotte. I am sure it is a nice place. I just said the setting in the middle of nowhere in terms of not being on the coast or a river is rather uninspired. I personally dont like inland cities. This is all.

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It's ACC as in Atlantic Coast Conference.

I don't think the Super Bowl will return to JAX anytime soon. JAX won the ACC because of the ownership situation of the stadium, but it's up for possible relocation after the first two years there. I hope to be in JAX this December to see my Hokies play the Noles.

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My apologies in misreading ACC. I guess I had football on the brain since its slowly getting closer. I know all about the ACC being in NC (I have no choice anymore although the SEC is still the best). Charlotte isn't really in the middle of nowhere. It may be inland, but there is actually quite a bit of water nearby. There is Lake Norman and Lake Wylie just to the north and south. There is also the Catawba River that runs right next to it. While we don't have the river surrounding our downtown area, the lakes are closer to us than the coast is to downtown Jax. The lakes are actually quite huge too, especially Lake Norman. While Jax had the ACC championship football game, we have the Continental Tire Bowl here every year in regards to college football. The main point of my whole Jax vs Charlotte debate was the skyline, which I really think there is no comparison.

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My apologies in misreading ACC.  I guess I had football on the brain since its slowly getting closer. I know all about the ACC being in NC (I have no choice anymore although the SEC is still the best). Charlotte isn't really in the middle of nowhere. It may be inland, but there is actually quite a bit of water nearby. There is Lake Norman and Lake Wylie just to the north and south. There is also the Catawba River that runs right next to it. While we don't have the river surrounding our downtown area, the lakes are closer to us than the coast is to downtown Jax. The lakes are actually quite huge too, especially Lake Norman. While Jax had the ACC championship football game, we have the Continental Tire Bowl here every year in regards to college football. The main point of my whole Jax vs Charlotte debate was the skyline, which I really think there is no comparison.

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I'd agree with that last line.

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This jacksonville/charlotte pissing match sure did ruin a good thread.

I'm looking forward to more cities numbers.

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I agree, back to the #'s. So teshadoh what is meant by the one mile buffer jargon. Please elaborate. I am stuck on those group listings in your first post on this thread. I am thoroughly intrigued though. :huh:

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Are you saying fireworks are an example of Charlotte's culture?  hahaha.  As to festivals, when was the last time Charlotte hosted the Super Bowl? 

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Oops. You shouldn't have mentioned that Riverside. I, as a loyal Patriots fan, had tickets to the Superbowl. Unfortuantly, it was in Jacksonville. I was there with three of my friends and I hate to say this, but we hated Jacksonville. There were people in the city from all over the country and they all had the same opinion. No culture, no real nightlife, your downtown is dead, everything is sprawled out. It's just not a very nice city. I wouldn't have even brought that up (and you and I seem to be going head to head on every conversation lately), but you brought up the Superbowl. Even if you do a search online for reviews of it, they were not flattering of Jacksonville. I wouldn't brag about that too much. You won't be getting another one.

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Based on a point that identifies the central city point, generally city hall - I select polygon features that are within a specific distance, not contained, but are touching.

Additionally, you Jaxites & Queenies need to behave yourself...

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we hated Jacksonville

I am glad you dont like it down here. Please dont ever come back (and tell all your obnoxious northern friends that Jacksonville is no good too). Unfortunately, too many of your northern brethren do not feel the same way and continue to move down here (voting with their feet, I might add). And, I never claimed Jacksonville had great downtown nightlife. It doesnt. But, it still beats the hell out of the northeast as a place to live. Enjoy your winters and ugly women.

As to the Super Bowl, we will get another one sooner than you think. We are an ascending region, not a declining one.

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By the way KRC, I just noticed you are from Providence, which is the red-headed step child of New England. I have spent time there and I can tell you, it cant carry Jacksonville's jock strap in terms of being a nice city. Aside from a few historic neighborhoods, which the present day inhabitants did nothing to create, there isnt much there. Boston is of course a much bigger more cultured town than Jacksonville, but Providence?? Come on, y'all's idea of culture is spaghetti on Federal Hill. What a joke.

In general, New England is sort of like the appendix of the United States - it used to be a vital, important region, but not when anyone can remember and it is better off being surgically removed.

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