MPLS: 1010 Park

[MrSmith]

They are keeping all the buildings on the block and building between them. However, the buidling at 10th is connected to the building on portland. It is connected for 20 stories and then the portland building continues for an additional 10 stories -- It literally wrapes around the Balmoral building.

As for the other tall buildings you mention as being built to the street --there are some key differences.

1. In the Central business district, the sidewalks are much much wider. The IDS, for example is built much farther back from the curb than what the 1010 building will be. The 1010 building will be only six feet from curb to building. The IDS is something like 18 feet. This is one reason why setbacks on regular streets are important.

2. In addition to being built farther from the street, most of the IDS near the street is not actually full height. Are you aware the Gap portion is only 2 stories? Then it has a recessed entrance (again built back from the street). Even the corners of the building are built farther from the street. In fact, the only portion of the IDS that rises to full height along nicollett is a portion no bigger than the size of 2 cars. Likewise, if you pay attention to to other buildings along nicollet Mall, you'll notice that almost all of the tall buildings have a shorter section built closest to the street.

3. Even in the cases where tall building do go directly to the street, they are generally built next to a midlevel buildings. In the case of 1010 Grant, the surrounding buildings are all 4 stories or less --which only makes the size of the new building forbidding.

If you still think this is all crap --just walk down Niccollet mall and see how pleasnt the street feels --walk all the way to city center and look down the street. Then compare it to the street where Lyons Pub and Murray's is. This street has the tall potion on city center built to the street with no setbacks. The difference is amazing! Likewise compare the Nicollet Mall side of the IDS to the Back side...an amazing diference.

If Elliot Park were the central business district it would be fine to have towering towers right to the street on occassion. But, when you are attempting to create a community where people want to live, dine and shop in, things like setback, scale, traffic etc. and design become even more crucial.

No one is saying don't build the buildings...I think the idea is that the developers should be forced to build buildings that protect maximize benefits to the neighborhood and not just to their wallets.

[nickmgray]

Is there any new news on 1010 Park? I've been looking, but new info seems to be illusive. SOmeone mentioned that they want to get approval before the end of the year. Anything?

[nickmgray]

Thought I'd share this with you!

[nickmgray]

My attempt at photoshop and google earth

[fehler]

Love the picture.

[MinnesotaPulse]

http://www.downtownjournal.com/articles/20...news/news07.txt

[MrSmith]

The more i learn about this project, the more i hate it. Not only does it have almost no setback for the tower on two sides, but now it includes two dead-end alleys on each side on the Portland tower. Are they trying to encourage crime?? In addition, the residential units don't start until the 7th floor --meaning that at night the courtyard and street will be even more crime because there will be no activity and no people around. This project needs to be rethought --from the ground up!

This project looks cool from the sky, but the design needs major work!! Even the Nicollet in the heart of downtown has larger setbacks and surrounds its parking by retail, office and housing.

[sushisimo]

I think the project is as ugly as sin, from the air, ground, alley, sidewalk, wherever. The incentive to live there is to be on the inside so you don't have to look at it.

[MrSmith]

I think the project is as ugly as sin, from the air, ground, alley, sidewalk, wherever. The incentive to live there is to be on the inside so you don't have to look at it.

PLEASE LET LISA GOODMAN KNOW HOW YOU FEEL -- ASAP --Even if you are not in her ward.

http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/contact/em...orm-goodman.asp

Again, it is not the height or appearance that is the major problem but the scale, mass, orientation, shadowing, streetscape and all the other details that make it unworkable. I worry that too many people are only concerned with getting development and not enough about how the development works.

[sushisimo]

Thanks for the link!

[Minneapolitan]

Bapster @ Minnescraper.com posted these new renderings of the proposed 1010 Park project. Notice Grant Park to the right and Skyscape in the foreground. The Elliot Park neighborhood will really have some great density in a couple years.

Site Plan

[Minneapolitan]

I'm really excited about this project because of the school, daycare, office and retail space. All this will create a lot of activity and help make Elliot Park (my hood) one of downtown's most dynamic neighborhoods.

[Snowguy716]

That looks like a major improvement over the old plans. It seems there is much more streetfront activity and it's not just shoddily thrown together. It'll be exciting and it will definitely change the skyline view from 35W

[Minneapolitan]

Here's another rendering Bapster posted from the developer's packet.

[City_of_Lakes]

What a great addition to Minneapolis! Really enjoy the new plan, as Minneapolitan and Snowguy716 pointed out. By the way, thanks for posting the renderings Minneapolitan.

This is what a "real" city should be like, with little towns within the big city. Neighborhoods are becoming more and more a focal point as they once were. That helps rebuild and strengthen communities, creating more opportunity for a walkable envirionment, which in turn promotes safety on the streets and reminds us the importance of getting to know our neighbors rather than holing ourselves up in homes completely detached from the outside world.