Fulton / Rockett's Landing

[whw53]

Another one is set to rise directly beside it - 'Rockettes Blcok 6'  no renderings yet. And think Fulton Yard is close - saw some land clearance permits go through last  week for Site B(?) along Orleans street. That piece is called the Line at Fulton Yard. 3,  5 story buildings straddling the city\county line.

[I miss RVA]

26 minutes ago, whw53 said:

Another one is set to rise directly beside it - 'Rockettes Blcok 6'  no renderings yet. And think Fulton Yard is close - saw some land clearance permits go through last  week for Site B(?) along Orleans street. That piece is called the Line at Fulton Yard. 3,  5 story buildings straddling the city\county line.

Now  PULSE's Rockett's Landing station -- the easternmost terminus of the PULSE line - that's on Orleans Street, yes?  Block 6 is where, relative to the building that's currently rising? (north, south, west, east) 

[Icetera]

14 minutes ago, I miss RVA said:

Now  PULSE's Rockett's Landing station -- the easternmost terminus of the PULSE line - that's on Orleans Street, yes?  Block 6 is where, relative to the building that's currently rising? (north, south, west, east) 

Correct and Block 6 is Next-door and North of current construction.

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[123fakestreet]

Let's get rid of that William Hill Company warehouse that's now super out of place next.  

[I miss RVA]

58 minutes ago, 123fakestreet said:

Let's get rid of that William Hill Company warehouse that's now super out of place next.  

Agreed! I wouldn't mind at all seeing that relocate. 

Now the larger businesses east of the rail lines and west of Williamsburg Ave -- not likely they're going to go anywhere anytime soon?

EDIT:   In scrolling back through, I see where those large parcels between the rail lines and Williamsburg Ave were purchased last year. Has there been any indication as to what might happen to those sites since the property has changed hands?

Edited March 1, 2022 by I miss RVA

[I miss RVA]

2 hours ago, Icetera said:

Correct and Block 6 is Next-door and North of current construction.

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Ahh - I see! Okay! Block 6 is to the north. Wow - having two buildings of similar size/density will do wonders for Rockett's. Plus the Orleans Street portion of Fulton Yards. GREAT developments!

Ice - your photo vantage point is to the south of the parking lot on the south side of Orleans just south of the PULSE station aiming to the northwest, yes?  (see below) What are the two parking lots on the south side of Orleans Street?

Curious to know: does the PULSE route come south on "Old Main", turn east on Orleans (to the terminus station) and then loop back to the north on E. Main?

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by I miss RVA

[Icetera]

15 hours ago, I miss RVA said:

What are the two parking lots on the south side of Orleans Street?

Curious to know: does the PULSE route come south on "Old Main", turn east on Orleans (to the terminus station) and then loop back to the north on E. Main?

 

The Western lot is mainly for the two restaurants (Island Shrimp Co. opening soon).  The other is mainly Brown Greer parking during the day but was set for a 13 story hotel prior to the recession.   The masterplans have not added anything to the lot since giving up on the hotel.  Perhaps one day.  The Parking deck that I took the shot from is clearly meant to be hidden from view with its simple concrete block wall.

Yep, that is the Pulse routing.

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1 hour ago, Icetera said:

The Western lot is mainly for the two restaurants (Island Shrimp Co. opening soon).  The other is mainly Brown Greer parking during the day but was set for a 13 story hotel prior to the recession.   The masterplans have not added anything to the lot since giving up on the hotel.  Perhaps one day.  The Parking deck that I took the shot from is clearly meant to be hidden from view with its simple concrete block wall.

Yep, that is the Pulse routing.

So the east lot was slated to have a 13-story hotel? Prior to the recession - how far back - 2008? I'd be curious to know if there are any renderings still exstant...

Okay - so how about instead of a 13-story hotel (though a hotel would be a nice add to Rockett's) - how about a 13-story residential tower? 

[Jordon]

5 hours ago, I miss RVA said:

So the east lot was slated to have a 13-story hotel? Prior to the recession - how far back - 2008? I'd be curious to know if there are any renderings still exstant...

Okay - so how about instead of a 13-story hotel (though a hotel would be a nice add to Rockett's) - how about a 13-story residential tower? 

https://vaao.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Rocketts-Landing-Project-Summary-July-2016.pdf

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1 hour ago, Jordon said:

https://vaao.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Rocketts-Landing-Project-Summary-July-2016.pdf

Wow!! This is robust! And so far, much of the build-out in Rockett's has gone pretty much according to plan, yes? Now it's showing the hotel right on the riverfront - not on Orleans and E. Main. Was there a different building planned for where the parking lot at Orleans and E. Main by the PULSE station is? What of the hotel along the riverfront? What has become of that?

I must say that when I see what's been built so far in Rockett's - I'm SO reminded of National Harbor, Maryland along the Potomac.  The 'town' around the Gaylord is all brand new - lots of squared boxes with nooks and crannies and multi-colors of red brick, tan, grey - and lots of windows -- a typical 'right-outside-of-D.C.-built-community' - that in this case happens to be dominated by hotels and the MGM casino. Even the adjacent Varina district kinda reminds me of Oxen Hill, Maryland, which is just outside of the built-up portion of National Harbor.

The physical similarities between the two locations -- plus the positioning on their relative rivers -- is pretty amazing to me. All of which makes me all the more disappointed that Echo Harbor never got off the ground. Can you imagine if it had been built?

Either way - I'm SO looking forward to seeing the next phase(s) of development in Rockett's - particularly as Fulton Yards gets underway and particularly as that big southern swath south of the CSX Fulton yard starts to build out in the coming years. SUPER exciting to see all of this.

[I miss RVA]

I pulled this photo off the Rockett's Landing FB page - it was posted in January, so it's recent. The big apartment development in the far right of the photo near the oil tanks (southern portion of Rockett's Landing) - there is a gap between that development and the southern end of the  "main" group of buildings. Is there still more development to go there as well? (This falls in the box labeled "future mixed use" on the RL map). What about the undeveloped portions closer to the riverfront, south of the marina and skeleton of the old legacy building? And there's also at some point to be corresponding development on the eastern side of Old Osborne Turnpike - following the bend of the CSX Fulton Yard tracks?

Do we know of any other plans aside from the 6-story apartment buildings in blocks 6 & 8 along the northern part of RL? (around Nicholson Street)  Given the Fulton Yards project slated to rise on the south side of Orleans Street east of the railway, I'd be curious if there are other parcels that might be ripe for the developing immediately nearby?

 

[123fakestreet]

Timely article from RBS

https://richmondbizsense.com/2022/03/03/construction-of-massive-fulton-yard-development-finally-set-to-begin/

 

[Icetera]

14 hours ago, I miss RVA said:

I pulled this photo off the Rockett's Landing FB page - it was posted in January, so it's recent. The big apartment development in the far right of the photo near the oil tanks (southern portion of Rockett's Landing) - there is a gap between that development and the southern end of the  "main" group of buildings. Is there still more development to go there as well? (This falls in the box labeled "future mixed use" on the RL map). What about the undeveloped portions closer to the riverfront, south of the marina and skeleton of the old legacy building? And there's also at some point to be corresponding development on the eastern side of Old Osborne Turnpike - following the bend of the CSX Fulton Yard tracks?

Do we know of any other plans aside from the 6-story apartment buildings in blocks 6 & 8 along the northern part of RL? (around Nicholson Street)  Given the Fulton Yards project slated to rise on the south side of Orleans Street east of the railway, I'd be curious if there are other parcels that might be ripe for the developing immediately nearby?

 

Despite the date that image of Rocketts looks to be at least a year old.  The "building" by the tanks is a collection of 6 townhome rows  and the gap is filled in with an additional 6.  The final riverfront townhomes are under construction now (a friend closed on one in December) completing the Henrico side residential development.  There remain 2-3 riverside commercial parcels and the final Southern lot abutting the tank yard (blue outlines).

[wrldcoupe4]

Not sure if you covered this, but the state is selling it's 21 acre site adjacent to the tanks on the east? side of Route 5.

[I miss RVA]

@Icetera-- thanks for the updated photo and the good information. Wow - RL really HAS filled out - and it's clear to see where the remaining sections are building out. 

@wrldcoupe4-- thanks for the good info. Where specifically is this parcel?

Okay - so the questions I have about Fulton Yard - so the big square 5-story apartment buildings are going up along that stretch on the south side of Orleans Street, yes? What's going in the big sort of triangular swath on the east side of Old Osborne and west/south of the curve in the CSX rail yard? Are there renderings for what's going to be built in that section?

 

[Icetera]

1 minute ago, I miss RVA said:

@Icetera-- thanks for the updated photo and the good information. Wow - RL really HAS filled out - and it's clear to see where the remaining sections are building out. 

@wrldcoupe4-- thanks for the good info. Where specifically is this parcel?

Okay - so the questions I have about Fulton Yard - so the big square 5-story apartment buildings are going up along that stretch on the south side of Orleans Street, yes? What's going in the big sort of triangular swath on the east side of Old Osborne and west/south of the curve in the CSX rail yard? Are there renderings for what's going to be built in that section?

 

Correct on the mixed-use buildings.  Southern end was to be retail and office (personally hoping for an ALDI) and the sliver behind RL Blocks 6 & 8 also commercial.

I believe this is the State property:

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19 minutes ago, Icetera said:

Correct on the mixed-use buildings.  Southern end was to be retail and office (personally hoping for an ALDI) and the sliver behind RL Blocks 6 & 8 also commercial.

I believe this is the State property:

Okay - so (hopefully decent-density) office - and retail is/was slated to go south of the rail yard in the area where we can see the likely location of the old Fulton Yard roundhouse/turntable? (I'd love to find old photos of what that roundhouse looked like way back when.) Have there been any renderings? Will there be any residential in that section? That's a huge swath of land and it would be a shame not to densify it up as possible.

There's still SO much developable/redevelopable property in that immediate vicinity. I'm curious if the success of Rockett's landing and Fulton Yard will spur investors to come in and snap up land in that area (even to the point of the warehouses and some of the other industry there perhaps relocating)? The potential for this area to continue booming, I would think is great. And I somehow just can't see it "stopping" once everything planned for RL and FY gets built. There'll have to be more to follow, yes?

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Ice - looking at the areas you highlighted as still to be developed in Rockett's - a few more questions:

1.) Safe to assume the square parcel at the far southern end will be more residential? (townhouses, apartments?)

2.) What's slated for that slender riverfront parcel south of the marina? Are there still any plans to put a hotel in Rockett's? I tend to think a hotel would be fantastic there - right on the riverfront with epic views of the river and the skyline off in the distance.

3.) What of the two rather large surface lots on the easternmost blocks of Rockett's (one at Orleans and the other farther south between Old Hudson and Old Delaware streets? Curious to know if those lots will eventually be filled by either high-density residential or commercial/office/hotel/mixed-use space? I somehow can't imagine Rockett's having ANY undeveloped parcels by the time all is said and done.

 

Edited March 7, 2022 by I miss RVA

[ancientcarpenter]

On 3/4/2022 at 4:56 PM, I miss RVA said:

Ice - looking at the areas you highlighted as still to be developed in Rockett's - a few more questions:

1.) Safe to assume the square parcel at the far southern end will be more residential? (townhouses, apartments?)

2.) What's slated for that slender riverfront parcel south of the marina? Are there still any plants to put a hotel in Rockett's? I tend to think a hotel would be fantastic there - right on the riverfront with epic views of the river and the skyline off in the distance.

3.) What of the two rather large surface lots on the easternmost blocks of Rockett's (one at Orleans and the other farther south between Old Hudson and Old Delaware streets? Curious to know if those lots will eventually be filled by either high-density residential or commercial/office/hotel/mixed-use space? I somehow can't imagine Rockett's having ANY undeveloped parcels by the time all is said and done.

 

To the hotel comment: I was under the impression that the land there was protected or has potential for flooding? Something to the sense that they can't build there. There is a small dog park on the right side of your outline. The left side of your outline is an old metal-frame of a building... no idea what they plan to do there.

I must say, I'd be pretty unhappy if I bought those townhomes with the river view and more townhomes or hotel went right in front!

[wrldcoupe4]

they've been marketed as restaurant and lowrise office development sites.

[Icetera]

59 minutes ago, ancientcarpenter said:

To the hotel comment: I was under the impression that the land there was protected or has potential for flooding? Something to the sense that they can't build there. There is a small dog park on the right side of your outline. The left side of your outline is an old metal-frame of a building... no idea what they plan to do there.

39 minutes ago, wrldcoupe4 said:

they've been marketed as restaurant and lowrise office development sites.

^ This.  Been marketed for restaurant and office spaces.  The shore elevates out of the flood-zone at that point.  The other parcels do not have any clear plans that I am aware of at this time.  I have not heard any indication of interest in developing a hotel since the recession.

[Downtowner]

https://www.thalhimer.com/sites/default/files/listings_files/RockettsLandingHQ.pdf
 

speaking of rockets landing found this flyer on thalhimer website tonight just scrolling around on it. Also found something else I completely forgot about in Manchester I’ll post that in Manchester thread.

[Downtowner]

https://www.thalhimer.com/sites/default/files/listings_files/RockettsLanding-PremiumOffice.pdf
 

also wanted to post this on Rocketts landing. It’s an overview of the whole development. Not sure how current this is as the master plan has changed for the last two decades when it was originally proposed. I will see the original master plan of Rocketts landing when it was proposed almost two decades ago looks nothing like the original. I realized that the more and more it was becoming built out.

[ancientcarpenter]

9 hours ago, Downtowner said:

https://www.thalhimer.com/sites/default/files/listings_files/RockettsLandingHQ.pdf
 

speaking of rockets landing found this flyer on thalhimer website tonight just scrolling around on it. Also found something else I completely forgot about in Manchester I’ll post that in Manchester thread.

Thalhimer strikes again in not being imaginative and bringing the 'burbs mentality into the city. On the river with skyline views property... and they want to put a brown rectangle for offices post-covid? I'm shocked there isn't a Bojangles drive through somewhere in there.

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3 hours ago, ancientcarpenter said:

Thalhimer strikes again in not being imaginative and bringing the 'burbs mentality into the city. On the river with skyline views property... and they want to put a brown rectangle for offices post-covid? I'm shocked there isn't a Bojangles drive through somewhere in there.

Give them time - I'm sure they'll figure out how to convert a boat ramp from the marina into a suburban drive through. Those soccer moms and their SUVs have to be able to pick up several buckets of goodness from The Colonel's!