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I think they should show a myriad of clubs in their ads; show that you don't have to be in Vegas to go clubbing; show shots of Celebration, Park Ave., Baldwin (photoshop images of pedestrians onto the photo of the streetscape), the golf events, the convention center, and images of the parks and the pro sports here.

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Just imagine if they 'went negative' on Vegas. Once this is established:

(From Sentinel Article)

Though the spots are not yet complete, the concept shows a mother and daughter riding a roller coaster. By the end of the ride, the mother has transformed into a young girl the same age as her daughter.

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They could show the same mother and daughter in Vegas with the mom turning into a smoked out slot hag and the daughter preggers. VO: "It doesn't always stay there." Cut back to the mom and daughter in the ads, pull to out reveal Orlando and during mom's obvious relief VO: "Built for families. Made for memories."

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So Boomer -- You're in marketing I take it? :P Subtle, real subtle!

On another note, has anyone seen how they are pimping LV to the 20/30 something crowd? Look at the new MGM Grand website...

WE HAVE THIS STUFF -- really! I just got back and we have the cool ass hotels (Grand Bohemian, et. al) and we MOST CERTINALY have the bars! We can and should try to market downtown a bit more -- can I get an AMEN!?

BTW - just got back from the MGM hotel a week ago and it was nice, but not "all that" -- pretty much the same way I feel about Vegas. What do you think would happen if Orlando had casinos?

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the should revert back to the rave days. 'slot hag'; that's great.

they should market the bars with the notion they close at 2am. then they should show peoples' houses where swinger's parties take place from 2am on. now that would be something. ...all the while showing a silhouette of mouse ears over the horizon. "Orlando, for the kids, but also for the parents."

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...then they should show peoples' houses where swinger's parties take place from 2am on. now that would be something. ...all the while showing a silhouette of mouse ears over the horizon. "Orlando, for the kids, but also for the parents."

Then it would just be a commercial for the Blue Martini :^x

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That's a very broad statement. Could you be over generalizing?

--(from a woman) -_-

wow. a female. welcome to the forum.

(being "easy" isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think that type of behavior should be rewarded and nurtured. life's too short for B.S. (that actually comes from lady-friends of mine)

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So Boomer -- You're in marketing I take it? :P Subtle, real subtle!

On another note, has anyone seen how they are pimping LV to the 20/30 something crowd? Look at the new MGM Grand website...

WE HAVE THIS STUFF -- really! I just got back and we have the cool ass hotels (Grand Bohemian, et. al) and we MOST CERTINALY have the bars! We can and should try to market downtown a bit more -- can I get an AMEN!?

BTW - just got back from the MGM hotel a week ago and it was nice, but not "all that" -- pretty much the same way I feel about Vegas. What do you think would happen if Orlando had casinos?

I think it would rock. Don't know if Disney would go for it, though. I remember years back the state had talked about doing that and one of the major windfalls would have come from the Panhandle, which competes with Biloxi and Gulfport for tourism dollars. I think it would be HUGE boon initially, but studies I've seen show that casinos tend to be a drain on local economies in the long run.

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I've heard this too, but how so?

Basically, lower income people tend to frequent the casinos and wind-up in serious debt. This ultimately, becomes a problem that must be absorbed in these communitites. There is also a chance that places like Tunica, MS, Biloxi, or Gulfport are more suspectible to this phenomenon because there is a general lack of economic prosperity outside of the casinos. One could almost draw Wal-Mart comparisons to stretch the concept.

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Also, say hello to casinos and say goodbye to industry. Yes, it's a double standard that the most popular convention spot is Las Vegas, but these same titans of industry are loathe to put businesses there. Orlando does not need the gambling (let me say first of all that I'm not opposed to it other than from the economic development standpoint and the fact as previously noted, there are all sorts of social costs that have to be borne by government).

We're already starting to see some very intelligent (imho) restructuring of our economy. Just as Vegas figured out that adults were its brand, Disney has figured out that families are its reason to be. Note that Pleasure Island is being reconfigured to meet that dynamic (the DD Marketplace long ago gave up pretensions of "grownup" shopping and became an endless sea of "plush").

In the tourist corridor along I-Drive, slowly but surely, the convention business is taking over. High rise convention projects and the Blue Rose, which is supposed to feature Vegas-style entertainment, will continue to be emphasized to attract that niche (I think the idea of families on conventions probably will seem as silly eventually as theme parks in Vegas). Harris Rosen's whining notwithstanding, note that he is no longer building "mom and pops", he is building convention facilities. With the completion of Pop Century, there will be almost 12000 "value" rooms at Disney. Universal also has a significant number in that price point at the Royal Polynesian. Inexorably, the budget-priced leisure travelers are being moved upmarket onto Disney or Universal property and the low-to-mid range properties offsite will eventually be converted to higher and better uses (or, as along 192 and intown on 441 and 50, to affordable housing).

The growth phase of the theme park business is over. Disney (and to a lesser extent Universal) will do whatever is necessary to maintain the business, but the growth in theme parks is now overseas. (I can offer more info on that, but this post is already long enough. :-)

This, imho, is not a bad thing. Economically, conventions are better for us than budget leisure travel. More importantly, however, think about how our local politicians are thinking more about things like Burnham and venues downtown to bring in better-paying jobs. During the "Disney Decade" of the '90s, too much of our local zeitgeist was invested in the tourism business. Finally, after 35 years, we can move to become a more well-rounded economy; tourism brought us this far, as it winds down to a mature, "cash-cow" industry, we now have an excellent opportunity to dream other dreams.

Someone once said Hollywood did not make LA (aerospace did that) - Hollywood made LA interesting. The same is true of Nashville and country music. Orlando will always be famous for its parks, but as a community the local tourism industry can and should no longer be the tail that wags the dog. We want to be more like Seminole County and less like Osceola.

Which brings me back to gambling. I had thought that casinos might need to be approved for Osceola, as they seemed unable to gain economic traction any other way. Now, Osceola seems poised to become the nexus for further residential growth, with accompanying campus-style office developments. As of today, it looks like we have no need to make the deal with the devil (in terms of fiscal and social costs to the economy, not from a religious or moral perspective) that is gambling.

In short, I am more bullish on the region due to these factors than I have been in a very long time. Instead of being Daytona Beach on steroids, we will be able to compete with any economy in the nation.

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hahaha this is probably why we dont have many females on this forum

well...I am here...there have been other comments in the past, but I'm pretty good at rolling them off my back... :rolleyes:

yikes

and perhaps what jack was saying, javalady, is that woman here are easy in the fact that they are easy to get along with.....maybe :-\

ah...I don't think so :D

Happy Holidays to all !!!

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Interesting points regarding casinos. I never thought of it that way, but they can be compared to our tourism industry. Both create jobs that are not self-sustaining. Gambling creates more social problems but both create lower then desirable jobs that. Huh. But I have always been a fan of casinos.

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I have noticed lately that the major hotel construction in ORL has been from non-Disney companies-- which in and of itself diversifies the hotel industry, such as it is.

I think what people keep forgetting is that although the nineties were the Disney decade, so were the eighties. Both decades were also the Orlando decades as well, with enormous job and business growth. The nineties also saw unprecedented roadwork in the region.

I don't think anything has changed-- case in point: Sea World's new park which is U/C. Not to mention newer full service resorts (turnkey if you will) such as Championsgate, Grande Lakes, Shingle Creek, Reunion, Village of Imagine, Gaylord Palms, etc...

OIA has grown; the OCCC has grown; and downtown is continuing to grow. There's more people; more industry; better roads; better retail; etc...

Aside from NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, and Miami, you'd be hard pressed to find a city in the US with more going for it than the ORL, with regard to the combination of retail, hi-tech, convention, tourism, education, urban infill, etc... Wait till we get commuter rail up and running...

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I wouldn't mind a casino if it were done right. New Orleans did it right. They have one casino downtown between the French Quarter and the convention center. It's a nice casino and gives visitors an option to gamble if they want, but isn't the only reason for going to New Orleans. I could see one big casino, run by the Seminoles, working here and just giving visitors another entertainment option. The last thing I'd want is casinos in every big hotel like Vegas. Vegas is a one trick pony. Granted they're the best at what they do, but Orlando has made great strides in divesifying it's economy. Gambling here would be a huge step backwards.

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Did you guys just watch the James Bond movie, hence the casino???

I rather Orlando develops a theatre district with permanant broadway show like vegas. People go to Vegas for gamble and for shows. People can come to Orlando for themeparks or for shows...that will be great

Thats a great idea hopefully when the OPAC opens up they will market the crap out of it, and nationally advertise some events and tie it in to a whole vacation thing.

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