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do you thin network or canle news is biased, and if so, in what direction?  

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  1. 1. do you thin network or canle news is biased, and if so, in what direction?

    • yes, cable is biased and network is biased
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    • yes, cable only is biased.
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    • yes, network only is biased.
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    • no, neither is biased.
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    • why do people make polls like these?
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Why has this genius been so wrong on so many issues in the past (see communism, socialism, et al)?  Why is this genius so painfully ignorant of human nature?  And why, despite this, does he continues to have adherents?  Amazing.

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Well, most of his adherents are extremly well educated people, and thus,moral relativist. Not worth anything, right?

But again, you are referring to his ideologies. As a linguist, he has contributed greatly to science. You could check out some of his works. You'll see he is not an idiot, and you'll see there is a reason for him to be a world wide known intellectual from MIT. The fact that you dont agree with, does not make him an idiot. Unfortunatelly, that goes for me also, regardless of how much I detest him, I would not dare to call Bush an idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky

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...monsoon: It's true, the military didn't like Clinton very well.  I'm not saying they all love Bush either but they didn't like clinton much at all.  As for recruitment, we did make it for the year.  What was missed were certain monthly goals.  It also doesn't help when the liberal media blasts the whole war effort on TV.  What do you expect recruits to think?  All they hear is death "Every soldier in Iraq is dead today."  If question why recruitment is low, you can blame the media doing everything they can to see to that fact.

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OK, as a prior military service person, I have to say something here. Clinton was hated throughout the military from superior officers to the enlisted airman basics (the rank of a new Air Force recruit). Because of his inadequate funding and snubbing of the military, I had to work with equipment more than 30 years old! Viper is precisely correct. Also, nowadays, military recruitment is growing and people are staying in service longer; this has been documented in several news agency reports. Sometimes, I wish I could go back!

As for Noam Chomsky, I actually have read some of his material, and I'm not impressed. Just because a man is very intelligent on linguistics, that does not make him an all-superior and brilliant foreign policy maker. Ruso, sometimes I think you worship him. That's not an attack, just an observation. He has been blatantly wrong on issues like communism, socialism, and obviously the current war we are fighting.

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As for Noam Chomsky, I actually have read some of his material, and I'm not impressed. Just because a man is very intelligent on linguistics, that does not make him an all-superior and brilliant foreign policy maker. Ruso, sometimes I think you worship him. That's not an attack, just an observation. He has been blatantly wrong on issues like communism, socialism, and obviously the current war we are fighting.

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I am not worshipping him. I am trying to make you realice that it arrogant to label an intelectual as such as an idiot. Again ideologies do not determine inteligence. They do determine how informed you are or how ignorant you are. Would you say Stalin was an idiot? Would you say Hitler was an idiot?

If something, the praising goes to your beloved, so wise, president. :P

I do respect him very much as an intelectual. And I do respect his views on the current war, which might be a little threatening to those who agree with it. Again, my purpose is to be a devil's advocate, and as I said before, I dont think the only reason he has so much followers, from so reknowned Universities, is because they are just idiotic, "evil" liberals. (or terrorist, maybe?)

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The guy supports terrorism.  I grant him credit for scientific and psychological  advancements and achievements but his stance on terrorism is nothing short of deplorable.

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That is the only thing I ask. Even if you dont agree with him, give the guy the credit he deserves.

Although, why does he support terrorism? For not agreeing with your gov?

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That is the only thing I ask. Even if you dont agree with him, give the guy the credit he deserves.

Although, why does he support terrorism? For not agreeing with your gov?

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No, he actually sympathises with terrorism. He tried to justify the 9/11 attacks. Believes terrorism is a tactic used by powerful people to great success.

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That is the only thing I ask. Even if you dont agree with him, give the guy the credit he deserves.

Although, why does he support terrorism? For not agreeing with your gov?

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If praise is actually given to the terrorists (or freedom fighters as some people have said :sick: ), usually the praise is for support of the terrorists' actions. I agree with Viper, it is sickening.

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No, he actually sympathises with terrorism.  He tried to justify the 9/11 attacks.  Believes terrorism is a tactic used by powerful people to great success.

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As I have said before, there is a huge difference between explaining, and justifying.

He explained the reasons for the attacks, which are many(please do not see me as a terrorist sympathizer), but he did not justify them.

If praise is actually given to the terrorists (or freedom fighters as some people have said  ), usually the praise is for support of the terrorists' actions. I agree with Viper, it is sickening.

He has never supported the terrorists. Then, it would the stupidest tactic ever, he would be killed by now. I'll keep repeating, there is a difference between explaining and justifying. You can not justify Hitler's genocide, but you can explain it. You can not justify Hiroshima bombings, but you can explain them. You can not justify the Inquisition, but you can explain it.

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I think it is a fair question to try to understand why 9/11 happened beyond "the terrorists are against our American Freedoms" excuse. The reason we have not done this, especially via the media, is the answer to that question is not something that most Americans, expecially the freedom fry loving, lets pour some French wine out crowd, wants to hear.

Bush is not an idiot. He pulled off one of the most remarkable political campaigns of the last 100 years. Bush realizes that enough Americans, do not want to vote or listen to educated people as it only reminds them of their own failings to do anything with their lives.

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Viper the media does not do enough to report about the dead in Iraq.  If Americans saw what was really going on, as they did with Vietnam, there would be outrage

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Might I ask what foreign news sources you are viewing for your insider's perspective on this war? Also, since you seem to know, what is really going on in Iraq?

The American media is carefully controlled these days by the corporations that own them to give the impression they are liberal, by reporting on sensationalist irrelevant tabloid trash instead of real news. 

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Wrong. Profit controls the media, not a conspiracy to support our president. However, the end result is the same as you say because gigantic corporations are generally conservative minded entities.

the government has no plan for getting out, and there seems to be no endpoint to the violence fighting and continued dead.  The only reason that soldiers are not dying as they did in Iraq is because medical technology has advanced greatly since then.  But the tens of thousands of injured that have had their lives shattered due to injuries from Iraq are going to suffer as much as the returning Vietnam vets.  The media is failing to cover this tragedy too. 

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Well, I think I heard a news story recently that put a number on exactly how long we planned on remaining in Iraq as an occupying force. I believe it was two years for one branch of the military and six years for some other branch. Things are picking up speed. And I hear about the dead and injured in the news so much that I get sick of it; it is a large component of why I am against the war. I would not say the media has failed us in this respect. Every time someone dies we hear about it.

I do believe the military loved Bush before the war.  That ended shortly after Bush landed on the Aircraft Carrier Abraham Lincoln and declared "Mission Accomplished".  Then the realities of a protracted, endless war set in and soldiers, most of which were not born during Vietnam, began to learn the lessons that have been forgotten from that war.

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You're right.

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Might I ask what foreign news sources you are viewing for your insider's perspective on this war?  Also, since you seem to know, what is really going on in Iraq?
Foreign news sources are not needed. Watch Democracy Now on FSTV

Wrong.  Profit controls the media, not a conspiracy to support our president.  However, the end result is the same as you say because gigantic corporations are generally conservative minded entities.
I don't disagree with you on this, except to consider that GE owns NBC. GE is also one of the Nation's biggest defense contractors. Even worse, Kingdom Holding Company has substantial interests in CNN & ABC. Guess who owns that company.
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Bush is not an idiot.  He pulled off one of the most remarkable political campaigns of the last 100 years. 

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bush didn't pull off his own campaign; Karl Rove did it for him.

Bush realizes that enough Americans, do not want to vote or listen to educated people as it only reminds them of their own failings to do anything with their lives.

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Huh? :blink: Did you hear this fact from the horse's mouth?

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I don't disagree with you on this, except to consider that GE owns NBC.  GE is also one of the Nation's biggest defense contractors. Even worse, Kingdom Holding Company has substantial interests in CNN & ABC.  Guess who owns that company.

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Again, your final point is the right one, but it is the correlation between profit-seeking individuals and the conservative mindset that makes our media the way it is, not some conspiracy to hide the truth. Profit runs the media, and conservatives are the ones in control of profit-seeking entities. Conservatives also believe that what they say is the "truth". So I don't believe they are trying to hide any facts from anyone.

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Again, your final point is the right one, but it is the correlation between profit-seeking individuals and the conservative mindset that makes our media the way it is, not some conspiracy to hide the truth.  .....

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It's my guess the Kingdom Holding company really doesn't need to worry that much about profits and their reason for investing in CNN & ABC are not entirely related to that endeavor.

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Who watches only the mainstream news stations anyway? Today there are more, not less, media outlets than ever before. The mainstream media (i.e. newspapers and the big three network news shows) have taken huge hits lately in readership/viewership. I hardly think one entity or mindset controls all of the diverse media outlets today with TV, newspapers, magazines, internet, talk radio, etc. Anyway, "the news" should be the true reflection of what happened. Opinion and analysis are something different entirely.

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It's my guess the Kingdom Holding company really doesn't need to worry that much about profits and their reason for investing in CNN & ABC are not entirely related to that endeavor.

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You would be wrong to guess that. However, I also see your point. But consider this: Newsrooms are "owned" by gigantic corporations, but they are run by smaller entities with and by people that really need to make a living. So while it might seem as though the top-dog CEOs could care less about their profit margins, the news industry as a whole (even considering individual networks) is motivated by profit primarily. The key word is "primarily". My opinion is that anyone who really wants to influence the country runs for political office and doesn't do it behind the scenes via financial investments and media control.

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Who watches only the mainstream news stations anyway?  Today there are more, not less, media outlets than ever before.  The mainstream media (i.e. newspapers and the big three network news shows) have taken huge hits lately in readership/viewership.  I hardly think one entity or mindset controls all of the diverse media outlets today with TV, newspapers, magazines, internet, talk radio, etc.  Anyway, "the news" should be the true reflection of what happened.  Opinion and analysis are something different entirely.

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The news should be that, you're right. But it would never work, because who would go into a business that was doomed to fail from the start (because uncontroversial topics, i.e. "real" news, doesn't sell and therefore wouldn't be worth the investment of time to market)?

Newspaper is the way to go, so I hear from respected academics. I usually hear that the Washington Post is the most balanced and faithful to actual news. New York Times as well. However, these too have their slants, but what can you do? In terms of presenting the facts, these two sources do it the best and avoid sensationalistic journalism. However, they have gotten worse at this in the past couple of decades and like I already mentioned, they have their share of slant that needs to be weeded out like any other source.

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Well, there can be a slant not only in opinion and analysis but also in what news is presented. For example, to only report the American casualties in Iraq but to not report the progress being made there is an example of bias. The casualty story is true, but is it really the whole picture? Or to make Augusta National's decision to exclude women from membership the front page news story (as the NY Times did a few years ago) when there are obviously more important, pressing matters happening at the time. Or even to just mention the waste in government but not any of the positive things govt does (for an example of conservative bias).

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Well, there can be a slant not only in opinion and analysis but also in what news is presented.  For example, to only report the American casualties in Iraq but to not report the progress being made there is an example of bias.  The casualty story is true, but is it really the whole picture?  Or to make Augusta National's decision to exclude women from membership the front page news story (as the NY Times did a few years ago) when there are obviously more important, pressing matters happening at the time.  Or even to just mention the waste in government but not any of the positive things govt does (for an example of conservative bias).

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True, but I think it is because the people who market news programs/literature realize that people are more willing to drop 1.00 on a newspaper that reads "dead soldiers in Iraq" or "American government has messed up" or to tune into broadcasts that say "stay tuned, because after the break we have late-breaking news on the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal". Profit runs everything in America, including the news, and the result of this is a poor flow of meaningful information. C-SPAN is live politics at its best, and you can't get any less selective/biased than watching it.

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