Jump to content

A Spire in New Orleans?


NCB

What type of building style do you think looks better in New Orleans  

33 members have voted

  1. 1. What type of building style do you think looks better in New Orleans

    • A Spire
      24
    • Just a normal boxy style
      9


Recommended Posts

Well, with the developer of the plaza tower makeover getting sued and the project getting delayed, I dont know if the project will even happen. I think that if it does happen, it may not look as nice as originally planned.

And to the other part you said, its not that were opposing a spire, were just opposing a cheap or ugly spire. We just want the best for New Orleans, and I dont think just sticking a cheap spire in the skyline will do much.

But a nicely designed and unique spire would be great in New Orleans.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hey, we agree! :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Replies 56
  • Created
  • Last Reply

No spire i mean it can have some kind of fancy roof and not need to be a box but spires are cheap and are being used everywhere nowadays cause the companies want a tall building without paying more so they stick metal tubing or something on it box buildings arent all bad i dont see any bad ones on new orleans anyway spires shouldnt be counted in height ever.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No spire i mean it can have some kind of fancy roof and not need to be a box but spires are cheap and are being used everywhere nowadays cause the companies want a tall building without paying more so they stick metal tubing or something on it box buildings arent all bad i dont see any bad ones on new orleans anyway spires shouldnt be counted in height ever..

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I would much rather prefer a building without a spire, although if a spire is added it doesn't mean its for an extension to height, could mean the developers simply thinks it looks better that way.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would much rather prefer a building without a spire, although if a spire is added it doesn't mean its for an extension to height, could mean the developers simply thinks it looks better that way.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well, with the article in the Times Picayune saying that the developers want the Poydras tower to get narrower towards the top of the building, I think it will be proposed with a spire.

We'll just have to see, I expect there to be a rendering of the proposed building in the next few weeks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Provided the building is well detailed and handsome, I don't think a spire would be a bad thing at all. Another One Shell Square would be more unfortunate. I too would like to see what this may look like. Trump's buildings are rarely noted for their architectural grace.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Provided the building is well detailed and handsome, I don't think a spire would be a bad thing at all.  Another One Shell Square would be more unfortunate.  I too would like to see what this may look like.  Trump's buildings are rarely noted for their architectural grace.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well, the building wasnt designed by Trump, it was designed by the developers from Florida.

Trump's main role in the building will be management and marketing(the trump name etc..)

We'll see what the building looks like around October.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

Yes, New Orleans has its own character but the CBD could definitely use a shot in the arm in terms of modern architecture. Lots of 70s boxes and 80s Po-Mo, but not much that says "yes we've arrived in the 21st century."

Modern architecture would in no way compromise existing structures though I fear a "New Orleans Revival" style definitely would (eg. the new Harrahs Hotel base).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I imagine any talk of high-rises at this point is mute. It will take tremendous rescourses just to get everything existing now RE-built if at all.

I hope I am wrong but I see a tremendous population decrease for New Orleans for the near future and I just don't think new skyscrapers are even on the radar right now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I hate to say it, but I see a significant permanent decrease in population for New Orleans. It seems that many thousands may stay in Baton Rouge. I have not heard about Jackson as a possible place for relocation, but it might make some sense. Currently, I would guess that Mississippi's cities are overburdened with people from the coast.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I hate to say it, but I see a significant permanent decrease in population for New Orleans.  It seems that many thousands may stay in Baton Rouge.  I have not heard about Jackson as a possible place for relocation, but it might make some sense.  Currently, I would guess that Mississippi's cities are overburdened with people from the coast.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

:( Actually, most of the cities I have heard of as getting a LOT of refugees are Houston, Atlanta, Nashville, Birmingham, and others not even in Louisiana.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Many things can happen to New Orleans after this disaster finally ends:

1. New Orleans rebuilds and becomes prosperous.(like many cities have after disasters)

2. New Orleans rebuilds but doesnt really grow...it just serves as a port.

3. New Orleans basically disappears....I dont think this will happen, but its a possiblity.

4.This whole thing turns into Houston/Galveston except it would be New Orleans/Baton Rouge.<<Very Likely

^Baton Rouge has really been growing before all this happened, but now it really looks like Baton Rouge could become the main city in Louisiana.

Example: Many companies that were based in or had major offices in New Orleans are moving here and buying homes and apartments for their employees, and buying up offspace in downtown.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Many things can happen to New Orleans after this disaster finally ends:

1. New Orleans rebuilds and becomes prosperous.(like many cities have after disasters)

2. New Orleans rebuilds but doesnt really grow...it just serves as a port.

3. New Orleans basically disappears....I dont think this will happen, but its a possiblity.

4.This whole thing turns into Houston/Galveston except it would be New Orleans/Baton Rouge.<<Very Likely

^Baton Rouge has really been growing before all this happened, but now it really looks like Baton Rouge could become the main city in Louisiana.

Example: Many companies that were based in or had major offices in New Orleans are moving here and buying homes and apartments for their employees, and buying up offspace in downtown.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That would be a great scenario. I believe New Orleans will not dissapear but will be much smaller and any building will be in an area not below sea level. And yes, a New Orleans / Baton Rouge combo could easily occur.

As I write this, our church is loaing up a trailer full of supplies to help out in Gulfport.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Many things can happen to New Orleans after this disaster finally ends:

1. New Orleans rebuilds and becomes prosperous.(like many cities have after disasters)

2. New Orleans rebuilds but doesnt really grow...it just serves as a port.

3. New Orleans basically disappears....I dont think this will happen, but its a possiblity.

4.This whole thing turns into Houston/Galveston except it would be New Orleans/Baton Rouge.<<Very Likely

^Baton Rouge has really been growing before all this happened, but now it really looks like Baton Rouge could become the main city in Louisiana.

Example: Many companies that were based in or had major offices in New Orleans are moving here and buying homes and apartments for their employees, and buying up offspace in downtown.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Barack Obama mentioned the other day that this could be the greatest black migration since the 1940s-50s when so many left the delta for Detroit and Chicago. I think you'll see a sizable amount of the low-income population that fled to Texas and elsewhere stay there because of the job market, especially those that stayed behind and went through that hellish experience. Some places like the 9th ward won't be rebuilt as they were before thought the core of the city along St Charles, the Quarter, etc will change little. Many of these people will find higher-paying jobs in markets like Dallas and Houston and I think that they will be better off than they were in the stagnant New Orleans economy.

I think many or most of the middle to upper class that evacuated early and were insured will return. Uptown and the Garden District fared pretty well, as did the Quarter and some of the suburbs such as Kenner.

I'm thinking (and hoping, as I've always loved New Orleans) that the historical character and culture will make it more of a Charleston-type city. I don't see how it could not shrink significantly and I agree Baton Rouge will boom and likely pass New Orleans in population soon, perhaps even surpassing the whole NO metro in a decade or two. However, there will be a subset that love New Orleans and will return irrespective of what happens. It will continue to function as a major seaport and need workers for this. Corporate presence was already weak and I think it will diminish after this even more. However, reincarnation of New Orleans as a medium-sized hip historic city in the mold of Charleston ultimately could ultimately bring in more higher-paying professional jobs.

Eventually, I think the new New Orleans might be better than the old one in many ways.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I believe New Orleans will probabl decrease in population by somewhere around 100 thousand. You gotta alot of people in Houston who like it and say they are probably gonna stay. Not to mention others spread all over once they get a job and settle in why go back? I know in San Antonio we got around 12,000 were now down to around 6,000 and I keep reading in the large number plan on staying here for good.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The more I hear about the damage to NO, the more I think that it is going to be really tough to pull together the federal money to rebuild it back to even its previous state which wasn't good. Here are some of the arguments for not doing so.

  • The toxic waste that has penetrated every structure, porous material and ground is going to have to be stripped from the earth and disposed of. This is going to be hugely expensive and I am guessing the Insurance companies are going to start suing the government to get up from under the financial burden.

  • The entire water, gas pipeline and sewer systems have to be rebuilt from scratch. The toxic waste has penetrated these system with particulate matter and they will never get it clean. Rebuiding something like this is unprecidented in American histrory and again the expense to the government and landowners is going to be absolutely mind boggling.

  • The Corp of Engineers has publically stated that lack of spending on the levies did not cause their failure. They are either going to have to back down from this stance (which I think it politics) or admit they can't build one that will withstand another storm. The real reason of course is the levy system has made the flooding problem worse. The government is going to have to make some very tough choices in limiting wetland development, land use policies, and coastline restoration before an effective flood control sytem can be constructed to protect NO. I doubt the government can make these decisions as the arguing will go on for years while nothing is done.

  • The Federal government is running up huge debts fighting the war in Iraq. There is going to be a big resistance to running it up more on rebuilding a city that some will say shouldn't be rebuilt. Democrats are already calling for a repeal of the tax cuts for the rich which Bush isn't likely to do. Expect a huge amount of politics while nothing is done.

  • A lot of people will be against paying taxes to rebuild "frills" like another superdome.

Like everything else, if it takes the Federal government to put things straight in NO, then NO is in for a long long wait. We may certainly see something to ressurect the tourist industry, but I think that tourists are going to shy away from the place for a long while. Likewise homeowners may come back but I would not want to live in a place that has been soaked in that toxic stew for as long as it has. I am reminded of the Love Canal but on the scale of an entire city.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just to give you guys an update about the conditions here in Baton Rouge, here are some new figures I got from the local news here.

2-3 Weeks ago Baton Rouge had a population of around 225,000 people.

Now that population has more then doubled and they believe 470,000 people could now be in Baton Rouge. :w00t:

They are also expecting 100,000-150,000 new permanent residents in the city. So in a few months they are expecting the population of Baton Rouge to be around 350,000 and it would continue to grow from there.

I truely believe, that Baton Rouge will become the major and main city in Louisiana.

I also think that it will be bigger in terms of business then New Orleans ever was.

There are major oil companies(most of which were based in N.O.) setting up offices here now and many other New Orleans' businesses have moved here as well.

BTW, Shreveport's population is expected to jump from 200,000 people to around 250,000 people. Lake Charles population is expected to grow from 75,000 people to 85-90,000 people. And Lafayette's population could jump from 111,000 to 150,000. Even Little Rock is expected to grow in population soon.

This has really made a big change in all major cities in Louisiana, and all along the south.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What about Jackson, Mississippi?  I am surprised that I have heard absolutely ZERO about increased population there.....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I havent heard anything about Jackson either, which is suprising.

I was expecting it to grow from people just wanting to move further inland form the coast.

I know there at least 215,00 people in Jackson right now, but I dont know if any of them are considered to be "new permanent residents"

Tom, I will give an update on Jackson as soon as I hear any new information from there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just to give you guys an update about the conditions here in Baton Rouge, here are some new figures I got from the local news here.

2-3 Weeks ago Baton Rouge had a population of around 225,000 people.

Now that population has more then doubled and they believe 470,000 people could now be in Baton Rouge. :w00t:

They are also expecting 100,000-150,000 new permanent residents in the city. So in a few months they are expecting the population of Baton Rouge to be around 350,000 and it would continue to grow from there.

I truely believe, that Baton Rouge will become the major and main city in Louisiana.

I also think that it will be bigger in terms of business then New Orleans ever was.

There are major oil companies(most of which were based in N.O.) setting up offices here now and many other New Orleans' businesses have moved here as well.

BTW, Shreveport's population is expected to jump from 200,000 people to around 250,000 people. Lake Charles population is expected to grow from 75,000 people to 85-90,000 people. And Lafayette's population could jump from 111,000 to 150,000. Even Little Rock is expected to grow in population soon.

This has really made a big change in all major cities in Louisiana, and all along the south.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sounds like a downtown building boom in the making.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree with this 100% NCB. I think that Baton Rouge will be the main city most populated city in Louisiana.

If you go back in time and look at the similarities to this catastrophy versus the Hurricane that hit Galviston they are almost identicle. Houston ended up being the bennificiary of a major population and construction boom as it was further inland and those not willing to relocte back to Galveston after the storm found a home in Houston. The same will hold true in Louisiana.

The difference here is that NO will ALWAYS have tourism and will ALWAYS be a huge convention draw. For this reason alone the FEMNA and Federal money will need to be heavily allocated for infastructure repair and replacement of oil and gas production and the other half to restore the ports.

Whatever is then left will need to be used to shore up the Historic pieces of NO. (and there are a ton). This might be the part that taks the longest :(

Baton Rouge will become the Place to be for employment and the bulk of the evacuees. It will outpace NO going forward for corporate relocations as well as population.

The beutiful thing about BR is that is still a part of the entire port of southern Louisiana, just at the northern end. So, this makes it that much more important.

A2

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Interesting points here. I somehow doubt that the Mississippi coast will lose much population over time. People apear to have very short memories....just look at Florida for an example of people wanting to be on or near the water, no matter what the cost. It will be a long road, but I think the coast will be rebuilt and will actually increase in population, particularly if the rebuilding allows new zoning favorable to high-rise construction. This won't be immediate, but the casinos are certainly going to return.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I believe that Baton Rouge has been outgrowing NO for some time now and this is mainly attributable to NO's incompetent and corrupt government, bad business climate, and white flight from NO to BR. I dont think you will see BR overtake NO though anytime soon in metro population. NO is very resilient and its citizens are unusually loyal to the city, so I think NO will come back strong although perhaps temporarily smaller. Getting rid of some of the criminal element may be helpful for the city. And, there will be a tremendous amount of both federal, local and insurance moneys coming in thereby spurring rebuilding and growth. So, I think rumors of the demise of NO are greatly exaggerated. I also think the environmental damage is overestimated greatly and can be ameliorated more easily than the naysayers will have you believe. You heard it here first.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I believe that Baton Rouge has been outgrowing NO for some time now and this is mainly attributable to NO's incompetent and corrupt government, bad business climate, and white flight from NO to BR.  I dont think you will see BR overtake NO though anytime soon in metro population.  NO is very resilient and its citizens are unusually loyal to the city, so I think NO will come back strong although perhaps temporarily smaller.  Getting rid of some of the criminal element may be helpful for the city.  And, there will be a tremendous amount of both federal, local and insurance moneys coming in thereby spurring rebuilding and growth.  So, I think rumors of the demise of NO are greatly exaggerated.  I also think the environmental damage is overestimated greatly and can be ameliorated more easily than the naysayers will have you believe.  You heard it here first.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Amen

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The culture of New Orleans can't simply be transplanted to Baton Rouge. It will survive, though I suspect that it will never be quite the same. I would hate to see a "FrenchQuarterLand" and "GardenDistrictLand" a la Disney. Please God don't let this happen to New Orleans....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.