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Updated plans for Dorothea Dix Park have been revealed: http://amp.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/wake-county/article219492075.html?__twitter_impression=

Drove through Dorothea Dix property today.  Lot of potential here for sure. 

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Here is a nice map I found of the area...its called a "concept" map but really has few concepts...just what buildings to eliminate and where access points would be. Noteworthy are 2 or 3 trolley access points. 

 

I agree with ya'll that too much stuff would destroy it in my mind....I'm seeing people wanting very narrow uses to be addressed....cyclocross course, world class disc golf course, off leash dog park....this space isn't all that big and the topo limits a great deal of it. Simple green space should be the primary use IMO. 

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I find it interesting that Senator Pate is concerned about not honoring the original landowner's request to use the land for the mentally ill. If this is the basis for his objections than I say it's irrational. The land was used for decades as home to a facility that treated the mentally ill. The land now has new ownership and those owners have the right to do whatsoever they choose with the land. Thankfully his concerns have no legal standing. If everyone held his same convictions then large parts of the US would still belong to Mexico and Native Americans.

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Ultimately the General Assembly can do anything, subject to the NC Constitution and federal law. The land doesn't have new ownership yet, and even when it does the General Assembly can unwind the transaction just as they did before. The question is not whether Pate has legal standing, in the sense of suing to enforce a restrictive covenant arising from the state's original purchase of the land. He has political standing, and that's what matters -- but it takes a number of legislators, not just one, to make an issue of it. Do his Republican colleagues really want to pick this fight with McCrory? Or are his comments just a predictable face-saving maneuver? I think the latter.

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Ultimately the General Assembly can do anything, subject to the NC Constitution and federal law. The land doesn't have new ownership yet, and even when it does the General Assembly can unwind the transaction just as they did before. The question is not whether Pate has legal standing, in the sense of suing to enforce a restrictive covenant arising from the state's original purchase of the land. He has political standing, and that's what matters -- but it takes a number of legislators, not just one, to make an issue of it. Do his Republican colleagues really want to pick this fight with McCrory? Or are his comments just a predictable face-saving maneuver? I think the latter.

 

The point that I'm trying to make is that the State of NC (in this case McCrory and his administration acting on behalf of the state) has the right to sell the land to Raleigh. Since the state is fully aware of what Raleigh intends to do with the land, and still elected to sell should be enough to put the matter to rest. The legislature, on the other hand, seems to have a bone to pick because they had no control over the actual deal itself.

 

The argument that this land will no longer support the mentally ill is a weak argument at best.

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I understand what you're saying, but the history of North Carolina is replete with situations when a Democrat-controlled General Assembly disagreed with actions of a Democrat governor. When that happens, the General Assembly always wins. Always. The question now becomes whether a Republican-controlled General Assembly will go along with a Republican governor on Dix. I think the answer is Yes but it's not a certainty.

 

The Council of State isn't likely to push back against McCrory because Democrats still have a majority on the Council.

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I find it interesting that Senator Pate is concerned about not honoring the original landowner's request to use the land for the mentally ill. If this is the basis for his objections than I say it's irrational. The land was used for decades as home to a facility that treated the mentally ill. The land now has new ownership and those owners have the right to do whatsoever they choose with the land. Thankfully his concerns have no legal standing. If everyone held his same convictions then large parts of the US would still belong to Mexico and Native Americans.

Ok, I have to share a WRAL quote that this brought to mind...I'll paraphrase...."this ain't what the Dix family said the land could be used for!!!" The Dix family? Really?

The land of course belonged to Theophilus Hunter the later portion of his Spring Hill house still standing on the property. 

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I understand what you're saying, but the history of North Carolina is replete with situations when a Democrat-controlled General Assembly disagreed with actions of a Democrat governor. When that happens, the General Assembly always wins. Always. The question now becomes whether a Republican-controlled General Assembly will go along with a Republican governor on Dix. I think the answer is Yes but it's not a certainty.

 

The Council of State isn't likely to push back against McCrory because Democrats still have a majority on the Council.

 

 

This may be the reason why Poole pulled together a powerful coalition of area business leaders to support the effort. He was probably hoping to marginalize the opposition before it really had a chance to gain traction in the legislature.

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Am I seeing development starting today around the Dorthea Dix property? Any ideas? Below I have added a photo of the area where I saw major clear cutting of trees today after work. Looks like a possible new pullen road extension through Dorthea Dix... hmm

 

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This is the new cathedral being built by the Roman Catholic Diocese on the land formerly occupied by Cardinal Gibbons school.

They are building the first piece of the Centennial-Pullen connector but not punching it all the way through.

How much of the connector? Just a little stub to access their property I assume? Is there a timeline for the rest of it? Man a straight connection from Hillsborough St to Centennial would be great. I hope Pullen would get sidewalks north of Western as part of a complete project too but perhaps I am outside the bounds of this project, whenever it's slated to happen...

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How much of the connector? Just a little stub to access their property I assume? Is there a timeline for the rest of it? Man a straight connection from Hillsborough St to Centennial would be great. I hope Pullen would get sidewalks north of Western as part of a complete project too but perhaps I am outside the bounds of this project, whenever it's slated to happen...

Jones, I have tracked down plan for the 30 acre tract. You can see the connector on the east side probably will get 1/3 the way done. It would be a shame for NCSU to not finish the rest quickly. What a great bypass for traffic. 

 

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Many thanks....but isn't that the east side? Looks like they are using Western as their main entry...I had assumed Centennial would be....also the roundabout and road shown heading east connecting to Dix bodes well for future Dix park access. 

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Many thanks....but isn't that the east side? Looks like they are using Western as their main entry...I had assumed Centennial would be....also the roundabout and road shown heading east connecting to Dix bodes well for future Dix park access. 

Yes, east side is correct. Typo on my part.

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It looks like the legislature is at it again, undoing the latest contract to sale the Dix land to Raleigh:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article16417289.html

This is getting crazy. I am really starting to dislike our Rural and suburban legislators. Looks like one of the main proponents of this bill is from Waxhaw, Union county. A wealthy bedroom suburb of Charlotte. A taker county.

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I could see this stalling in the slightly more moderate House....or if it passes hopefully the Wake County GOP reps would side with the Democrats on this issue as they have in the past so that if it reaches McCrory's desk and he vetoes it (I'm assuming he'd be mad and veto the bill that unravels the deal he helped craft) there won't be enough votes to override the veto so the deal stays....

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Council's designation of the "private placement option" (i.e. a direct loan from a bank) as the preferred way to finance the $52M purchase has the interesting consequence of keeping the matter off the ballot. There's not a doubt in my mind that a referendum for the Dix purchase would easily pass. However, I suspect Council's real motivation is not to have two referendums hit the public anytime soon -- and they are anticipating that the County will put forward its referendum for a tax for the transit program, which the Council very much wants to see pass. 

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Here's the scene from Dix last night. Over 1000 people showed up for the first "MoviebyMoonlight."

Great views, great crowd, and great, food trucks. I'd say it was a huge success. This needs to become a regular spring/summer event.

 

 

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