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i dont see the sunbelt cities growning very much in the future, i see alot of the people who are moving there now to move back up north or farther out east where there is more water. i think this because, like someone already said, the Colarado doesnt even make it to the ocean anymore and us up here in the great lakes basin signed a law preventing pipeing of water from the great lakes to anywhere out side of the great lakes/st.lawrence river basin. and if people are on a constant short supply of water, or even periods of no water, some of them will get tired of it and move somewhere else

I don't think that's nearly as true of Texas and the Southeast, particularly Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas which have more water than anyone. It may be a valid point regarding Phoenix and Las Vegas, though.

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What about them 12 million illegals (mostly mexican) and more to come as soon as congress caves and gives them a "road to citizenship"???? You don't see the million mexican march happening in New York. Anyways... is there any plan out there to get the southwest more water? What about desalization plants on the pacific and even the Great Salt Lake?

desalination is expensive and as far as i know, illegals dont pay taxes?

and Aporkalypse, since when was there more water in the Carolinas? The Great Lakes/St lawrence River System are the largest freshwater system in the world, contain 18% of the fresh surface water in the world, second only to the polar ice caps.

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desalination is expensive and as far as i know, illegals dont pay taxes?

and Aporkalypse, since when was there more water in the Carolinas? The Great Lakes/St lawrence River System are the largest freshwater system in the world, contain 18% of the fresh surface water in the world, second only to the polar ice caps.

Heh... maybe every city in the Southwest can start filtering out their piss water. At Foxwoods, the largest casino in the world located in CT, they're gonna be using water from their sewage treatment plant for the grounds and golf courses. Is this stuff drinkable?

Yeah illegals don't pay taxes, and when they're given amnesty/citizenship they'll be mostly lower class and still a drain. That said, they still count as people when the census comes around, thus justifying the higher population growth estimates in the sunbelt.

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true, but i think other than some immigrants in the future, the growth will level off

I'm not too sure about that ... by 2030 the boomers will all be retired with the oldest still being in the mid 80s. A lot of them might want to live in a city and away from the cold weather up north. The sunbelt states also tend to have more business friendly environments, which will result in more people migrating from the Northeast and the "rustbelt" for good jobs.

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I agree with this list..I definatley see Houston moving up to no. 3 and Jacksonville and Louisville are growing like crazy. Also places like Indianapolis, Detroit, Miami..etc are losing population so yea this list seems pretty realistic.

Miami is not losing population. The city is growing at about 1% a year. Miami is almost completely built out, so the growth comes from infill projects, which accounts for the slower population growth. The metro area is still growing at a double digit % rate, but everywhere in Southeast Florida is filling up. The poplulation density is about 11,000 per square mile in Miami and Miami Beach. You only see this kind of density in about a half dozen or so cities in the U.S..

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Miami is not losing population. The city is growing at about 1% a year. Miami is almost completely built out, so the growth comes from infill projects, which accounts for the slower population growth. The metro area is still growing at a double digit % rate, but everywhere in Southeast Florida is filling up. The poplulation density is about 11,000 per square mile in Miami and Miami Beach. You only see this kind of density in about a half dozen or so cities in the U.S..

Miami has crazy density.

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To all those yapping on about metro areas, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that; this thread is about city proper only. Stop derailing my damn thread.

:rofl:

The list is all about who can annex the most, the easiest. I'm from Charlotte and live near Raleigh, so I'm liking the NC numbers on the list. I know lots of people moving to NYC, and a few to Chicago, but no place else in the north is even on the radar.

The metro (or urban area) advocates are correct, in any realistic way of looking at it - Charlotte and San Fran are approaching the same size in city-limits pop, but in world importance, culture and other factors it's a different story.

Who knows - some other city/county consolidation might happen. Annexation laws in some states might loosen up, or those in NC might tighten up. A la Silicon Valley - who knows what the next 'emerging industry' hot spot will be? Along with unknown economic fluctuations, who knows what natural disasters or global warming will do; insurance rates are already an issue in coastal areas...

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The Minneapolis/St. Paul Metro area had a population growth rate of 16.7% from 1990 to 2000. That is hardly what I would call slow growth. Especially since, while the growth rate had slown during the 60s, 70s, and 80s, it picked up again in the 90s.

And what's this about "because Sunbelt cities are more business-friendly, more people will move there to find good jobs."

You mean, people will move there to find any job. Because chances are, the same job in the north will pay more, provide more benefits, and more job security. And you get to live in a real urban environment with 4 seasons where trees will grow without having to literally suck a major river dry.

Outside of "Jobs" I don't see any reason to move to a desert. In fact, I think the growth patterns in this nation are completely backwards and environmentally unsustainable.

So, in 30 years when the Carolinas are being battered by constant hurricanes and Florida is going under water while Phoenix has no water at all... we'll be sitting up here enjoying the cool breeze off the largest fresh water lake in the world enjoying a nice cold lemonaide!

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I hope you are prepared for the disappointment. I would be surprised if it doen't happen sooner.
I don't see Philadelphia being overtaken by Jacksonville either. Even if current trends continued for several more decades (unlikely), it wouldn't be until 2035 before Jacksonville passes Philadelphia.
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The Minneapolis/St. Paul Metro area had a population growth rate of 16.7% from 1990 to 2000. That is hardly what I would call slow growth. Especially since, while the growth rate had slown during the 60s, 70s, and 80s, it picked up again in the 90s.

And what's this about "because Sunbelt cities are more business-friendly, more people will move there to find good jobs."

You mean, people will move there to find any job. Because chances are, the same job in the north will pay more, provide more benefits, and more job security. And you get to live in a real urban environment with 4 seasons where trees will grow without having to literally suck a major river dry.

Outside of "Jobs" I don't see any reason to move to a desert. In fact, I think the growth patterns in this nation are completely backwards and environmentally unsustainable.

So, in 30 years when the Carolinas are being battered by constant hurricanes and Florida is going under water while Phoenix has no water at all... we'll be sitting up here enjoying the cool breeze off the largest fresh water lake in the world enjoying a nice cold lemonaide!

:lol:

I'm with you on the desert thing - I don't get the success of Vegas, Tuscon, Phoenix.

But a Minnesota winter would put me on the brink of suicide! Those hot humid Southern summers and stormy springtimes that everyone else complains about are as heavenly as weather can get to me...of coure, if global warming pans out, those Southern summers will become Midwestern summers, so who knows.

I lived up in Boone NC for 12 years - Boone is at 3300 ft, and the year-round averag temps there are the same as at sea level in New Hampshire - and the winter of 95-96 stands out; it started snowing in November, and I don't think we saw bare ground again until the 2nd or 3rd week of April. The first bit of it I could handle; the January blizzard was no problem (Boone is one of relatively few Southern cities that gets lots of snow, and knows how to deal with it - plows, salt, the little sidewalk plows, the full treatment). But roundabout April 1st, when it was 60 and 70 degrees elsewhere in the South I was really getting hysterical, shades of "will it ever stop freezing?" and "what have they done to the sun?" Ugliness.

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:thumbsup: I think that one state you're vastly overlooking is Alabama. Huntsville is on the verge of a huge population explosion. Within the next decade, Huntsville could be just like Las Vegas. The space industry is kicking back into gear with the Return to the Moon.

As for the Metro. The Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area is the fastest growing in Alabama by population gain. Things like the Base Realignment and Closure Comission, Cummings Research Park, and the possibility of the United Launch Alliance which would consolidate all of the space launch vehicles to Decatur. I wouldn't be surprised if the cities of Huntsville, Madison, and Decatur all merged to create one large Huntsville-Decatur, much like Winston-Salem.

New research institutes in Cummings Research Park (the second largest in the country, and the 4th largest in the world) are pushing Huntsville to the forefront of technology. About 5 companies have decided to relocate their headquarters to Cummings just in the past month.

I believe the main reason that Huntsville hasn't yet seen the growth it's capable of is because people still view Alabama as a down home, and an easy living state. Not one capable of containing instutes that ARE develping technology that IS saving your life.

But, as true and possible as everything above is, Huntsville could just as easily turn into another Birmingham and become urbanized. Of course, only time will tell.

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i dont see the sunbelt cities growning very much in the future, i see alot of the people who are moving there now to move back up north or farther out east where there is more water. i think this because, like someone already said, the Colarado doesnt even make it to the ocean anymore and us up here in the great lakes basin signed a law preventing pipeing of water from the great lakes to anywhere out side of the great lakes/st.lawrence river basin. and if people are on a constant short supply of water, or even periods of no water, some of them will get tired of it and move somewhere else

There is plenty of water in the southeast. None of the southern river cities should have any problems at all.

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There is plenty of water in the southeast. None of the southern river cities should have any problems at all.

You're definitely right about that. Alabama boasts the second largest waterway system in the country. There's no shortage of water in the South, but I'm sure that most of the people in the North think we're still podunk, and are going around walking into walls cause there's no water. (Even though there is)

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