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39 minutes ago, ONCE1stBlvd said:

IDK bro... just seems so suspect

These route options do so little for the present infrastructure and population it's actually grotesque. 

I never thought I'd say this but at this rate I wish they'd never even built the thing

If they were really concerned about ridership, the next phase needed to go up Granby and over to ODU.

But this isn't about ridership. This is all about TOD on Military Highway.

One thing I wonder, if they had the foresight to know VB wouldn't expand it, would they have started with a totally different route? For instance, they could have picked a route that would have made it easier to build short spurs off of.

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Amtrak will add a 3rd Norfolk to DC train sometime this year. https://www.pilotonline.com/news/transportation/vp-nw-passenger-rail-hampton-roads-buttigieg-northam-20210331-zdpqhmjqzfe5rcioi3brqor

Once it's 4 lanes, then people will really see why a third crossing is needed

They focus too much on bus service. There is and always will be a stigma on using the city bus. Enough of the light rail studies and get it done already. 

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Both routes lead through the Military Highway corridor, which will be good for the Arena if that’s where they decide to put it. The other options were financially infeasible. I would’ve liked the Granby route too, but if they don’t have the money they don’t have it. As long as we eventually make it to the base and the airport I’ll be happy.

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It's weird that HRT and the city didn't flesh this out more back in the mid-2000s when construction began. Many headaches could've been avoided had the starter line somehow ended at ODU or the base, one way or another. I do think Norfolk figured VB would eventually get on board, so ending right at the city border made sense. I don't see how any extension won't be a headache, but I'll just be happy if it's completed within my lifetime.

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1 hour ago, Virginia City said:

I think with the collaboration between Norfolk and VB for the potential arena deal I think that VB might end up expanding the Tide eventually. 

I feel you on that potential. There's seems to be a lot more incentive for the beach in that scenario.

 

13 hours ago, vdogg said:

Both routes lead through the Military Highway corridor, which will be good for the Arena if that’s where they decide to put it. The other options were financially infeasible. I would’ve liked the Granby route too, but if they don’t have the money they don’t have it. As long as we eventually make it to the base and the airport I’ll be happy.

Infeasibility has never stopped any city including Norfolk from constructing ideas. Don't see how this would be any different.

I'm down for the positivity but not so much for the part about not having money for the train nor the idea of the arena near Military Circle. Still seems odd with it not being downtown, with all the existing transportation options already there. Plus I see the area around Military Circle being very drivable. What reason would locals have to take a train where they could drive?

The idea isn't stupid at all...just very coincidental that the west side option is a no go right in time for Military Circle to be a potential arena site. 

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This article talks more about BRT on the Peninsula, but there is a blurb towards the end about Norfolk and Chesapeake considering this. If Chesapeake does, I might just move back to Greenbrier... :lol:

https://www.pilotonline.com/news/transportation/dp-nw-fz20-bus-rapid-transit-hrt-20201127-67hkyipcybdqziiu4jevte4bri-story.html

And of course there's another study under consideration. Look, people want better public transit and less traffic. It should go to the base, airport, whatever they're doing to Military Circle, Town Center, the beach, Greenbrier, and at least Hampton Town Center.

There, now pay me $100,000.

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Their buses are nasty and I will never, ever, never, ever, never ever ride them. If we have been sitting here for 20 years by the time this thing is done, waiting on the light rail expansion, only to be slapped in the face with BRT and left with a failed (yet lovely and a far superior mode) LRT starter line to nowhere, I will be beyond angry. Absolutely outrageous. Remember, long-awaited attendant light rail development may not ever come to fruition with BRT implementation. That’s one major drawback, for starters. The other is I don’t think you’re going to get people to ride the damn bus. 

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I know the city wanted to extend into Virginia Beach, and Town Center and the Strip were both logical options. But, when they started building the line, we were only a decade removed from the first time VB said no. From the very beginning, they should've found a way to build this to at least the airport, if not the base. That way, they have a successful system to take to VB.

It's ridiculous that the city keeps dragging its feet because they painted themselves into a corner. I'd like to see a second line while I'm still young. Every time I go to DC, I get insanely jealous of the Metro...I know they have a 40-year head start, but it's still frustrating.

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Does anyone know the status of the rail line that runs behind Cape Henry Ave? Who owns it, is it active with freight service, etc? 

It goes to Miller Store Road on the south side of the airport. Just need a clever way to connect it to the other side where the terminals are.  But that line goes from the airport area to the freight line by Ballentine. It would connect further down to the line that goes to the Amtrak Station by Harbor Park. IMO, if you could connect these segments and deal with what (if any) freight rail operation happens there, you’ve got a good LRT corridor from downtown to be airport. 
 

 

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