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Still, to get a very nice room in Vegas, even at the Bellagio or Venitian costs quite a bit less than a decent room in downtown Chicago or New York.

you are very correct.

Vegas, at its most expensive, is still not very expensive.......but there is a market that still can not afford rooms at the "new Vegas" rates, or refuses to spend their money on the room itself.

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There are also people who love to go to casinos but refuse to fly because of fear and some who won't drive more than a few hours away from home. I think that the Detroit casino hotels would draw those people into our area, the ones that live about 300 miles away...but not so much from Canada because of the US taxation on winnings.

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I'd say more like 200 miles seeing as how once you get west of Kalamazoo, Illinois starts to be a major factor. They have quite and gaming enterprise going on there, as does Wisconsin. Michigan's pull could cover quite a bit of Ohio and some of Indiana, though. I know that here in Lansing, Detroit's casinos have become quite popular with the gambling crowd. At one time, Soaring Eagle was the only other "nearby" option. And with the size and scale of these new casinos, I think they could very much capture those that may have went to Soaring Eagle, before.

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I'd say more like 200 miles seeing as how once you get west of Kalamazoo, Illinois starts to be a major factor. They have quite and gaming enterprise going on there, as does Wisconsin. Michigan's pull could cover quite a bit of Ohio and some of Indiana, though. I know that here in Lansing, Detroit's casinos have become quite popular with the gambling crowd. At one time, Soaring Eagle was the only other "nearby" option. And with the size and scale of these new casinos, I think they could very much capture those that may have went to Soaring Eagle, before.

the problem with the "less than 200mile crowd" is that they may not stay overnight....which is key....as those that stay overnight are more likely to do more things than just the casino

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I'm don't know...I know quite a few people who have made going up to Soaring Eagle a night. Hopefully, I'm underestimating the pull of the casinos/hotel.

Soaring Eagle was drawing a ton of people before the current casino/hotel was ever built.....working up there in the mid-90's, the city would sell-out every weekend with Casino traffic.....and that was before any of the major expansions.

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I think there's a casino demographic that you may not have noticed. There are a lot of middle-aged and senior citizens that frequent casinos quite often, like 2 or more times a week and stay for hours at a time.

These people like to travel to the other nearby casinos just to mix it up a bit. These casino regulars stay in the casinos so long, they're too tired to safely drive home. Others like to make it a weekend getaway.

Casino regulars will travel to other cities just because they have a casino. The travelers will pick a casino with a hotel because the truth be known they more than likely will not venture out of the casino that's attached to their hotel.

I know Metro Detroiters that travel to Indiana and Ohio to just go to their casinos. I'm sure that there are people who live in Ohio and Indiana near those casinos who would be more than willing to travel to Detroit just to play in different casinos....But only if our casinos have hotels.

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Does Illinois have any casino hotels, or is it one of the states where all of the casinos have to be on water? If they don't have hotels, than that changes my whole pespective. I've just been under the impression that Illinois has casino hotels. If they don't they could definitely capture the Indiana market, and they've already got the Ohio market IMO.

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Here is my school of thought:

If people from Michigan frequent the casinos (which is the VAST majority of the current crowd" the state is no better off.......the goal is to get those fro mother areas (Ohio, Indiana, wherever) to come ot Detroit, as that brings NEW MONEY into the region.

Sans the hourly wages being paid, Detroit does not benefit from a person visiting the casino from Livonia.....but from Toledo, it is "ohio money" being spent in Michigan....which is of more benefit.

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I'm glad the church was a key player in making the changes happen. I hated the placement of the original proposal. I hated the design, and I hated that there was a standalone parking garage across the street.

Putting a 20 story building on top of a 13 story garage. Thank God! We've finally done something right! I really hope this happens, and I look forward to seeing a rendering.

According to my rough calculations, the rough size (and height) of the parking structure and hotel together would be about the same as the tallest tower of the Millender center. Not bad!

Thanks for the article rbdet.

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Its surroundings are fantastic. The tower will add to the area and the rooms will keep people around there. I see nothing but good coming from this and it forces Greektown to get creative with their parking instead of have one giant block for a structure. Now that its attached to their hotel it will be much better and likely interact with the street much better. Im excited to see what they come up with.

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the surroundings area terrific, I didn't mean to demean greektown in anyway! Greektown is terrific! What I meant to say is that there might be something awkward about a shiny new 35 story tower rising amdist a collection of old, character-filled buildings averaging 3-4 stories.

But believe me, odd in this case is not a bad thing!!

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Zissou Burg

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Detroit needs more instances where we have old architecture mixing with newer stuff. Detroit has great older architecture but what we dont have, which many other cities do, is a great mixture of old and new which enhances the feel of the city.

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RustTown City

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If I'm not mistaken, this site is right near the 375 at the very eastern edge of Greektown. It's not like its breaking the block and rising right in the middle of it.

But I agree with Zissou. I really don't care if did. Detroit is lacking in modern architecture, and there is more than enough room downtown to add some new expansions. Let's not turn downtown into some classical museum you are allowed to look at, but not allowed to touch.

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Zissou Burg

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greektownsiteproposal6tg.jpg

This is their previous proposal. Im assuming the plans for the gaming space havent changed so you can see how they are doing that. Im also assuming the new hotel tower will be on the western end of the giant parking structure they show.

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Woah, you're right, that rendering DOES show Lafayette being gobbled up. I don't like that either. Detroit has far too many streets that just dead end in the downtown. Pretty soon, there aren't going to be ANY streets downtown. It's so hard to navigate down there as it is. That's why I'm opposed to super blocks. (Just my 2 cents)

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