Civic Plaza 100 W. 4th St.

[cityboi]

regardless of height, its great to see this project is going forward full steam ahead.

[suburban george3]

I want this to go forward, but didn't the article say there are still financing issues and property purchases to work out??? Let's not get overly excited yet.... but I'd say the spin and buzz is mostly positive.

[TheDash]

I wish they would make it more thin around ,then make it taller

but it still looks good

[suburban george3]

UPDATE!! THE PEPPER BUILDING MAY BE SAVED AS LUXURY APARTMENTS!!!

Civic Plaza has (again) been reworked. In the new plan, the Pepper building would be saved and restored as apartments. Also, 3rd street would be closed to accomodate a 14 story condo tower. A new street 2 1/2 ST. would be created. The plaza would still be retained as well.

I hope this project moves forward, it seems 'stuck' in the design adjustment phase....

WSJ Article about Civic Plaza and the Pepper Building

[twincity]

this is the best plan so far! the pepper building could be expanded too. im interested to see how they would match aging bricks from the '20s.

[intcvlcphlga]

I think saving the Pepper Building is a good move. I wish that instead of building a tower with such a large footprint, they would build a taller tower with a footprint towards the southern end of the site. Shorter stout/wide buildings - especially residential ones - tend to not look very attractive (One West Fourth is an excellent example of this). And, by pushing a more slender tower to the south of the site (between the new 2-1/2 St and the existing 3rd St) would also fill in a gap between the Winston Tower and the Wachovia Center as well as not obscure the view of the Winston Tower and the R.J. Reynolds Building. As for expanding the Pepper Building, it might be interesting to do something like ShoP Architects in New York's rehabilitation and addition to the Porter House (http://www.shoparc.com/places.php?pr=16&id=1&p=3) along the west (the facade facing Civic Plaza) and to the south (facing the Wachovia Center).

[suburban george3]

As for expanding the Pepper Building, it might be interesting to do something like ShoP Architects in New York's rehabilitation and addition to the Porter House (http://www.shoparc.com/places.php?pr=16&id=1&p=3) along the west (the facade facing Civic Plaza) and to the south (facing the Wachovia Center).

That's an interesting expansion on the Porter House... don't know if it would fly here, maybe if it blended with the architectural style a bit better...

[intcvlcphlga]

That's an interesting expansion on the Porter House... don't know if it would fly here, maybe if it blended with the architectural style a bit better...

I guess I'll have to disagree with you about blending it with the "architectural style." Have you seen the southern and western elevations of the Pepper Building? I don't think they are in keeping with the "style" any more than a contemporary addition along the lines of the Porter House project is. And, a contemporary structure perched on either or both of those sides of the building would provide an interesting backdrop to the park as well as an interesting face to the building coming down 4th Street from the west.

[suburban george3]

True, I guess I was thinking of a glass/steel box on top.... they could make something interesting out of a Pepper expansion.

[yadkinv]

I agree, it should be taller since it's now to be a smaller footprint. After all when it was announced, it was to be 21 or 22 stories and razing the pepper Building?

[winston's finest]

i saw an ad in the newspaper this weekend regarding the civic plaza and it said that phase one has been sold out...i guess that phase one means the park vista building. that is great news and i hope to see the whole project move ahead, more quickly than at present

[basket1058]

Well in today's Winston-Salem Journal there is an article discussing further modifications in the Civic Plaza, plans that show a renewed commitment to preserve the Pepper Building:

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellit...s=1037645509099

[yadkinv]

and from that article "The latest plan calls for two new buildings about 20 stories high in downtown Winston-Salem, the restoration of the old courthouse, demolition of the sheriff

[intcvlcphlga]

and from that article "The latest plan calls for two new buildings about 20 stories high in downtown Winston-Salem, the restoration of the old courthouse, demolition of the sheriff

[twincity]

it does seem to be bad wording. i do think he meant that a twin tower would be built.

this is the best plan so far. i believe this is what everyone envisioned for civic plaza.

[JerseyBoy]

I'm glad the 22-storey idea is back again. I can't wait to see what they have in mind for the Sheriff's property. I pray DWSP tries to sign name-brand retailers to this project as it would most likely cause a great resurgence in shopping downtown.

[twincity]

Trade street needs to be realigned in order for this project to have the maximum impact at the 4th street intersection. right now, its really awkward driving in this area. closed at 5th street, one way from 4th to 5th, 2-way from WSTA to 4th. A 2-way Trade street would blend Civic Plaza with Twin City Quarter and the Arts district. It would also encourage the development of the 5th and Trade lot and possibly bring retail to the empty store fronts in the CVS vicinity.

[twincity]

county is ready to sell sheriff's office at civic plaza. big step for phase II.

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellit...d=1173353256033

[twincity]

current Civic Plaza proposal

[yadkinv]

This is incredible - let's hope it materializes!

[Piedmont Airlines]

current Civic Plaza proposal

Where was this rendering found? I have not seen anything in the W-S Journal about this rendering or a second building.

[yadkinv]

It's in the Downtown Plan 2007 Update Downtown Plan along with the old 15 story version.

Oddly enough, it does not show in the Downtown Plan 2007 Update Overview Downtown Plan Overview

[triadguy37]

It's in the Downtown Plan 2007 Update Downtown Plan along with the old 15 story version.

Oddly enough, it does not show in the Downtown Plan 2007 Update Overview Downtown Plan Overview

Actually, I saw this same rendering on the City of Winston Salem website under the Planning department back in December.

[Piedmont Airlines]

How soon after phase I is complete is phase II supposed to start?

[triadguy37]

How soon after phase I is complete is phase II supposed to start?

According to an article at DWSP website Civic Plaza could take 5+ years to complete.