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I thought I'd make a topic area where someone could lists all the current & proposed projects in downtown Jacksonville along with the total number of "towers" we have currently in downtown compared to the current "towers" of O-town & Tampa along with their proposed & under construction buildings.

I lost track of how many proposed buildings we have now.

I thought it'd be interesting to stack up how much we have compared to the two other major cities listed b/c I know O-town's got a lot underway in addition to Tampa.

I didn't include Miami b/c there's no way we can catch up right now compared to their construction boom.

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Both Orlando and Tampa have more on their plates than we do but that's not to discredit Jax, it's simply that the whole of Florida is experiencing something no other state can claim.

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I thought Jacksonville was shy a few towers from Tampa's current towers total in their downtown for a city half its MSA.

I could've sworn that Jax had more buildings proposed than Tampa's, if not more under construction?

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We do have about an equal number built but they may have more proposed but not by much.

Emporis has been very unreliable in updating their Jax listing missing as many as 25 buildings proposed yet Tampa looks to be almost completely up to date.

Jax:

52 - Complete

6 - Under Construction

5 - Proposed/Approved

25 - Not listed on Emporis

88 - Total

Tampa:

55 - Complete

11 - Under Construction

25 - Proposed/Approved

91 - Total

Just to add in Orlando Emporis figures (can't guarantee these are up to date either)

Orlando:

52 - Completed

9 - Under Construction

30 - Proposed/Approved

91 - Total

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So far these are the projects I know of (High-rise wise):

Under Construction:

The Strand

The Peninsula

San Marco Place

Fidelity 8-story Office Building

Riverside Avenue Partner's 13-story Office Building

Proposed:

St. John's Pointe - 30, 33, 36, 15 story buildings (4)

The Shipyards - unknown number (?)

San Marco Riverwalk - 1 hotel, 5 condo towers (6)

Riverpointe - 1 @ unknown height/floor count (possible 2nd tower) (1)

The Lofts @ East Union - 10-story (1)

Berkman Plaza Phase II - 22-story (1)

25-story landing office/condo tower (1)

JEA site plans - unknown (?)

12-story office tower for Eddie Farah (1)

Atkins' 12-story tower (1)

With the numbers listed, assuming all of these projects come to fruition, they should add about 21 towers to our downtown (just the projects with numbers listed). This would definitely give our downtown the much needed density and height look needed. If some of my statements are incorrect, please feel free to comment or add more projects if forgotten some.

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I don't believe Tampa's section on emporis is anywhere near being updated either, I can think of dozens (almost all of westshore) 10-12 story existing buildings not included as well as other new projects. I would guess most of the cities are not very well updated on emporis.

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I'm pretty familiar with most of the projects going on in Tampa and imo, its a step ahead of what's going on in Jax and Orlando. One of these days, when I can buy more time, I'll update the Tampa project and construction list.

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Emporis updated

Tampa:

56 - Completed

25 - Approved/Proposed

12 - Under Construction

93 - Total

Jax:

52 - Complete

5 - Under Construction

8 - Proposed/Approved

23 - Not listed on Emporis (added 2 from this list this week)

88 - Total

Orlando - no change.

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I just wanted to point out, that Emporis is fine for what it is ... a skyscraper enthusiast website, a "fansite" if you will. Its editors are mostly unpaid volunteers, some of whom have been highschoolers. Their data checking is not rigorous at all, and the accuracy (or lack thereof) of the data is taken on faith, and will vary widely based on the individual editor.

All of that is completely fine ... except, the senior editors market Emporis as a professional data service organization. This is borderline fraud, in my opinion. While some of their services and methods might be professional ... not all of them are.

So everyone should please take Emporis with a grain of salt. It is a fun secondary source for data, but should never be used as a primary source (i.e. if you are using their data in a professional capacity, be sure to fact check it yourself!)

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Thank you for living up to your namesake, Captain. Emporis, for all its flaws is sadly still the most accurate of publivally available skyscraper listings. As an Executive Editor myself I fully enforce duplicate sourcing going as close to the original source as possible, i.e. the developer. Since compiling our own listing would be a Herculean task, Emporis atleast grants you a big head start. I always try to leave a little disclaimer any time I use Emporis figures so as not to pass the listing off as complete and factual.

Orlando and Tampa are both bigger markets and their booms also started before Jacksonvilles but their are few other cities in America that can claim the same or greater project explosion as those in Florida.

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Of the three, Jax, Orl, and Tampa I probably know the least about Jax. With the buildings under construction and proposed projects in Tampa and Orlando, both cities are going to make quantum leaps in their downtown density. I can't wait to see them both in three to five years. I always thought Jax has so much potential in developing it's waterfront and downtown. Hopefully a mix of business, retail and residential can be done to create a great waterfront. If it gets started with the right type of projects it will really take off and hit that critical mass where new development just feeds off the growth already occuring and it will boom.

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I'm a big Jax fan, and am waiting, somewhat impatiently (drumming my fingers) for the Northbank to catch up to the Southbank regarding highrise construction. :)

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Kinda off topic here, but I wonder if the upper floors of the towers by the stadium will have a view of the field (using binoculars of course)?

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^Because the river and ocean front are still the most popular spots for development in Florida's coastal cities. The same thing is occuring in St. Petersburg, Tampa, Sarasota, Fort Myers, Miami and Fort Lauderdale.

Plus its hard to assemble large plots of land on the Northbank, since many landowners and businesses are still holding on to their surface parking lots or asking for insane prices.

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^Because the river and ocean front are still the most popular spots for development in Florida's coastal cities. The same thing is occuring in St. Petersburg, Tampa, Sarasota, Fort Myers, Miami and Fort Lauderdale.

Plus its hard to assemble large plots of land on the Northbank, since many landowners and businesses are still holding on to their surface parking lots or asking for insane prices.

Lake, as CBD's in Tampa, St.Pete, FTL, et.al., are booming, the second factor you cited would seem to be the more valid. Maybe the Southbank is just the path of least resistance at present.

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Once the Northbank condo projects get started I would like to see the city issure RFP's on the brownfields they are sitting on. Also, the courthouse is a large hinderance of many CBD projects.

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from what I can recall of Tampa's upcoming projects:

under construction

Trump Tower Tampa (52 stories)

skypoint (32)

plaza (3 20 story buildings)

towers of channelside (2 30 story buildings)

bellamy (23)

alagon (24)

embassy suites (23)

ventana (twin 11 story buildings)

grand central (twin 12 and 14 stories)

proposed/approvoed

four seasons (51, I think this one may never go)

hillsborough river tower (45, been proposed for a long time)

tampa global telecommunications (45)

o2 condos (twin 40 story buildings)

crescent heights (3 30 story buildins, may be dead)

downotwn channelside (twin 30 story buildings)

parkside apts (26, built next to recently completed 18 story parkside condos)

kress development (38, I think this one may have multiple buildings)

martin (25)

oasis hotel (14)

westin hotel (14)

citivest (19)

when I get some time, I'll list some of St. Petersburgs project since they have a lot of high rises in the works and are well within Tampa's metro area (20 min drive from downtown Tampa, assuming the unlikely scenario of little traffic)

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Serif38, are those multi building projects all being constructed at once or are they being phased?

Not sure about the others, but in the ones under construction, the only one that is being phased is the plaza, they've started on the first building and I have no idea when they plan on starting the others. Towers of channelsided and grand central are being built all at once.

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Here's an updated list on Downtown Tampa:

Bold = under construction

1. Trump Tower Tampa - 52 stories

2. Tampa Global Communications Teleconvergence Center - 45 stories

3. Kress Block Tower 1 - 44 stories

4. O2 Condominiums 1 - 41 stories

5.O2 Condominiums 2 - 41 stories

6. The Plaza at Channelside - 38 stories

7. Skypoint - 32 stories

8. Downtown Channelside 1 - 30 stories

9. Downotwn Channelside 2 - 30 stories

10. Towers at Channelside 1 - 30 stories

11. Towers at Channelside 2 - 30 stories

12. Kress Block Tower 2 - 27 stories

13. One Bayshore II - 26 stories

14. Kress Block Tower 3 - 24 stories

15. The Alagon - 24 stories

16. Embassy Suites Hotel - 23 stories

17. The Bellamy - 23 stories

18. The Plaza at Harbour Island 1 - 20 stories

19. The Plaza at Harbour Island 2 - 20 stories

20. The Plaza at Harbour Island 3 - 20 stories

21. Citivest - 19 stories

22. One Bayshore - 17 stories

23. Grand Central at Kennedy - 14 stories

24. Grand Central at Kennedy 2 - 12 stories

25. Ventana Condos 1 - 11 stories

26. Ventana Condos 2 - 11 stories

27. Park Crest at Harbour Island - 9 stories

28. Pinnacle Place Hotel - 8 stories

29. Residences at Franklin - 8 stories

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* The most important development in the works is, by far, Central Park Tampa. This 4,000 unit mixed-use development will link downtown with Ybor City.

http://www.centralparktampa.com/

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Updated Downtown Jacksonville list:

Bold = under construction

Italic = breaking ground within the next year

1. Riverpointe I - 48-40 stories

2. Riverpointe II - 48-40 stories

3. The Peninsula - 38 stories

4. St. Johns Pointe tower 1 - 36 stories

5. San Marco Riverwalk 1 - 35 stories

6. San Marco Riverwalk 2 - 35 stories

7. San Marco Riverwalk 3 - 35 stories

8. St. Johns Pointe tower 2 - 33 stories

9. Old JEA Tower expansion - 31 stories

10. San Marco Riverwalk 4 - 30 stories

11. San Marco Riverwalk 5 - 28 stories

12. The Strand - 28 stories

13. The Landing office tower - 25 stories

14. Berkman Plaza II - 22 stories

15. San Marco Place - 21 stories

16.St. Johns Pointe 4 - 15 stories

17. St. Johns Center III - 13 stories

18. Riverside Partners - 13 stories

19. Westin Hotel - 12 stories

20. 323 Duval - 12 stories

21. Ocean Square - 12 stories

22. Lofts at East Union - 10 stories

23. Fidelity National Financial - 9 stories

24. Kings Avenue Station - 8 stories

25. Duval County Courthouse - 8-10

There are two riverfront downtown projects, that will include significant towers, as well.

* Shipyards Development - 40 acre mixed-use development with 662 residential units.

* Southside Generation Station - 25 acre mixed-use development with up to 1,000 residential units.

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Here's an updated list on Downtown Tampa:

Bold = under construction

1. Trump Tower Tampa - 52 stories

2. Tampa Global Communications Teleconvergence Center - 45 stories

3. Kress Block Tower 1 - 44 stories

4. O2 Condominiums 1 - 41 stories

5.O2 Condominiums 2 - 41 stories

6. The Plaza at Channelside - 38 stories

7. Skypoint - 32 stories

8. Downtown Channelside 1 - 30 stories

9. Downotwn Channelside 2 - 30 stories

10. Towers at Channelside 1 - 30 stories

11. Towers at Channelside 2 - 30 stories

12. Kress Block Tower 2 - 27 stories

13. One Bayshore II - 26 stories

14. Kress Block Tower 3 - 24 stories

15. The Alagon - 24 stories

16. Embassy Suites Hotel - 23 stories

17. The Bellamy - 23 stories

18. The Plaza at Harbour Island 1 - 20 stories

19. The Plaza at Harbour Island 2 - 20 stories

20. The Plaza at Harbour Island 3 - 20 stories

21. Citivest - 19 stories

22. One Bayshore - 17 stories

23. Grand Central at Kennedy - 14 stories

24. Grand Central at Kennedy 2 - 12 stories

25. Ventana Condos 1 - 11 stories

26. Ventana Condos 2 - 11 stories

27. Park Crest at Harbour Island - 9 stories

28. Pinnacle Place Hotel - 8 stories

29. Residences at Franklin - 8 stories

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* The most important development in the works is, by far, Central Park Tampa. This 4,000 unit mixed-use development will link downtown with Ybor City.

http://www.centralparktampa.com/

It was reported in the Tampa Tribune city times today that construction has begun on a 16-story building at the westhore yacht club, the castillo. I had heard of it, but had no idea it was near breaking ground, or even approved.

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