Dilworth Projects (Kenilworth, Morehead, East)

[hambone931]

1 hour ago, ArtieP said:

Observer article says 20 acres, but the renderings show the two buildings on a smaller plot. Must be the first phase.

I used to work in that building!

[ertley]

2 hours ago, atlrvr said:

So it looks like they're going to cut a new street to Morehead--it looks like it's going to be a curving of Baxter, and rather than making Pearl Park Way the SE extension of Baxter, they'll just intersect.  I guess that's o.k.

[InTheYear2000]

Woodies Auto Service was started by time travelers. Every one of their locations ends  up being a super hot property.

[DMann]

Isn’t the Wray Ward sitefor sale.

[JRNYP2C]

On 3/24/2021 at 11:38 AM, Blue_Devil said:

277 or not, it is going to kick start a lot of development right there, and fast. Apartments, lab space, research medical contactors/device companies/ etc, food, separate office space, probably a nursing school, pt/ot school, PA school, etc as it further grows, back office space, possibly other wake forest graduate programs.... This is a giant giant catalyst for second ward, Dilworth, and midtown.  

It may impact the design of what is supposed to be in Second Ward too with all of that revitalization.

19 hours ago, DMann said:

Isn’t the Wray Ward sitefor sale.

It very well may be.  I believe they moved west in FreeMore to a refurbished building not too long ago.

[videtur quam contuor]

Wray Ward has a new building on Thrift Road, left side as one is outgoing from Freedom.

[ricky_bobby_fan_26]

On 3/24/2021 at 11:02 AM, kermit said:

Gezzz, think about what kind of lab/office/edu development opportunities there would be adjacent to the school if 277 got removed there. Also how that would kickstart 2nd Ward redevelopment. (And how the med school could have had its own transit stop if the Silver line was routed appropriately)

1.  This!!!  Its a shame to see the silver line used to sprawl the city North instead of providing access to Charlotte's largest single employer, prestigious medical school, South End, and the city's new center (Stonewall and Tryon).  I hope everyone enjoys the convenient access to this forum's favorite non-level parking deck that the current routing provides while missing the aforementioned opportunities.  (Note:  I think it would take something like rerouting the silver line to make removing 277 appropriate.  It provides great access to this part of the city.) 

2.  As a nearby resident I'm disappointed to see this did not end up on Fountain View and Garden Terrace.  Any ideas on what will be in store for those streets?  The only thing consoling my broken heart is the quality of this project.  It will create a wonderful connection between uptown and midtown.  It will make Midtown a real place as opposed to just the location of Trader Joe's.  The connection between the Cross Charlotte Trail and this project through Pearl St Park will be fantastic.  Great way to help second ward grow and maybe create momentum for Brooklyn Village.  I was just hoping this would be the project to transform East Blvd into part of the city.  

Edited March 30, 2021 by ricky_bobby_fan_26

[kermit]

Not my intent to steal Jason's scoop but I haven't see him here in a while:

 

 

[videtur quam contuor]

Sold or emphyteutic lease, as was reported n the past?

[kermit]

14 hours ago, tarhoosier said:

Sold or emphyteutic lease, as was reported n the past?

From the Ledger:

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• Epicurean lot sells: The vacant lot on East Boulevard in Dilworth, home to Christmas tree lots and the old Epicurean restaurant, has been sold. Property records show Selwyn Property Group closed on the purchase of the 1-acre site at East Boulevard and Scott Avenue on Tuesday for about $5.1M. Selwyn Property Group had the land rezoned last year to allow for a building as high as 85 feet that could accommodate 170 residential units or 80,000 s.f. of office space, plus a parking garage. The Ledger was the first media organization to report the land was under contract, in February 2020.

 

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

15 hours ago, kermit said:

Not my intent to steal Jason's scoop but I haven't see him here in a while:

 

 

I thought this meant Simon Property Group. LOL 

[ricky_bobby_fan_26]

In this video they talk about the new medical school being "within a 10 minute walk" of the CMC main campus.  The fountain view / garden terrace site would have provided adjacency for students and mentoring staff, potentially with a covered walkway for inclement weather etc.  If you are going to build a school to create collaboration, then you should go after that goal.  After thinking things over for a couple days, I really see this as a huge missed opportunity.  The medical school should be part of the CMC campus, not a separate campus.

I love the accessibility and how the school will tie uptown and Midtown / Dilworth together.  However, that isn't the point of a medical school.  The point of a medical school is to educate students and create a culture of ongoing education within CMC main.  It is a shame this project was hijacked and moved to fulfill development goals, not those of improving education and medical care.

Any ideas on the future of Fountain View and Garden Terrace?

Edited April 1, 2021 by ricky_bobby_fan_26

[CharlotteWkndBuzz]

^ Not to be confused with Ricky Davis Fan (RDF) lol.  

[RugbyPike#11]

16 minutes ago, ricky_bobby_fan_26 said:

 

How many of you have tried to play this video more than once?  The pandemic has done a real number on my brain.

[js4life]

The med school campus is about a whole lot more than the actual school. Keep in mind that Wake's School of Professional Studies which will be a standalone academic division of the university & be home to the MBA program along with other programs yet to be announced. I also think Atrium/Wake are thinking of all the spinoff activity that the Morehead site could produce along with the visibility from 277

[Blue_Devil]

21 minutes ago, js4life said:

The med school campus is about a whole lot more than the actual school. Keep in mind that Wake's School of Professional Studies which will be a standalone academic division of the university & be home to the MBA program along with other programs yet to be announced. I also think Atrium/Wake are thinking of all the spinoff activity that the Morehead site could produce along with the visibility from 277

Exactly, the Morehead location allows for more development around the school in the form of Lab-space and Apartments. The fountain view location just does not have the development capacity that being between Uptown and Midtown has with Morehead right there. 

With the new bedtower and rehab hospital, that land will have plenty of other uses I am sure. 

Edited April 1, 2021 by Blue_Devil

[RANYC]

On 4/1/2021 at 1:14 PM, js4life said:

The med school campus is about a whole lot more than the actual school. Keep in mind that Wake's School of Professional Studies which will be a standalone academic division of the university & be home to the MBA program along with other programs yet to be announced. I also think Atrium/Wake are thinking of all the spinoff activity that the Morehead site could produce along with the visibility from 277

I'm thrilled with this location.  It's transformational to the region, and is right where it should be, in a high-profile spot in or adjacent to the "epicenter" of Charlotte, which is uptown.  I'd absolutely hate for something like this to be deep in Dilworth versus on the border with Uptown...the adjacency to Uptown is significant for a number of reasons!  

As for a 10-minute walk between a teaching hospital and educational facilities, I believe that's both a reasonable and manageable distance, and also aligns with the design concept of this project sowing the seeds of an urban Medical Innovation District (not just a medical school campus).  We will now have some of our brightest emerging talent in the region potentially traversing a 10-minute expanse from center city into Dilworth, with commercial amenities densely arrayed throughout the 10-minute walk to see to their myriad needs, and all of this activity collectively infusing this new Urban District with all sorts of vitality.  Finally, unlike traditional med school campuses, this program is supposed to have a heavy high-tech orientation.  Yes, person-to-person medical care is absolutely essential, but a significant part of the brain trust that comes with this project are the high-tech engineers and architects creating and then translating medical algorithms and deep-learning analysis into code and into robotics.  I very much consider this project a high-tech play for the region, and whilst the MDs will be awesome, I'm looking forward to PhDs in the use of tech to solve the riddles of disease and discomfort and genetic abnormality!

Edited April 2, 2021 by RANYC

[videtur quam contuor]

Heard from an owner of a unit at Dilworth Edge condos which is at the intersection of Kenilworth/Scott and Park road. These 1960's, née Versailles*, were apartments turned condos and some are again rented. The condo association received an offer of 32 million$ for the property entire. According to my source the condo bylaws require 100% approval for this type of transaction. The bylaws may be amended with 75% approval. Source believes 75% is possible and would approve of transaction. Identity of bidder is unknown and purpose of purchase unknown. Apparently there are opportunities to purchase a unit that is in need of renovation at a price that would be attractive for this overall sale. Arbitrage, in other words.

*any place named with such grand origin as Versailles can be certain that it is far from that. Cf : Tiffany

[Blue_Devil]

28 minutes ago, tarhoosier said:

Heard from an owner of a unit at Dilworth Edge condos which is at the intersection of Kenilworth/Scott and Park road. These 1960's, née Versailles*, were apartments turned condos and some are again rented. The condo association received an offer of 32 million$ for the property entire. According to my source the condo bylaws require 100% approval for this type of transaction. The bylaws may be amended with 75% approval. Source believes 75% is possible and would approve of transaction. Identity of bidder is unknown and purpose of purchase unknown. Apparently there are opportunities to purchase a unit that is in need of renovation at a price that would be attractive for this overall sale. Arbitrage, in other words.

*any place named with such grand origin as Versailles can be certain that it is far from that. Cf : Tiffany

Morehead will look completely different in 5 years. Its going to be all 12 - 20 story buildings with ground floor retail. 

[KJHburg]

2 hours ago, tarhoosier said:

Heard from an owner of a unit at Dilworth Edge condos which is at the intersection of Kenilworth/Scott and Park road. These 1960's, née Versailles*, were apartments turned condos and some are again rented. The condo association received an offer of 32 million$ for the property entire. According to my source the condo bylaws require 100% approval for this type of transaction. The bylaws may be amended with 75% approval. Source believes 75% is possible and would approve of transaction. Identity of bidder is unknown and purpose of purchase unknown. Apparently there are opportunities to purchase a unit that is in need of renovation at a price that would be attractive for this overall sale. Arbitrage, in other words.

*any place named with such grand origin as Versailles can be certain that it is far from that. Cf : Tiffany

I know someone who lives there and it was an apartment developer.   This deal coming together at even a 75% approval of that many owners will take years to pull off.  One deal like this in Raleigh took 4 years and was only 45 units or so.  This is much bigger. 

[CriticalT]

7 hours ago, tarhoosier said:

Heard from an owner of a unit at Dilworth Edge condos which is at the intersection of Kenilworth/Scott and Park road. These 1960's, née Versailles*, were apartments turned condos and some are again rented. The condo association received an offer of 32 million$ for the property entire. According to my source the condo bylaws require 100% approval for this type of transaction. The bylaws may be amended with 75% approval. Source believes 75% is possible and would approve of transaction. Identity of bidder is unknown and purpose of purchase unknown. Apparently there are opportunities to purchase a unit that is in need of renovation at a price that would be attractive for this overall sale. Arbitrage, in other words.

*any place named with such grand origin as Versailles can be certain that it is far from that. Cf : Tiffany

It's a prime for redevelopment.   Sedgefield middle school with a park next door, great views of uptown and a stone's throw to dining, retail.    Good for the owners but it's these of deals that make housing harder and harder for regular folk.  

[videtur quam contuor]

My source for the Versailles project said it is the same as the former Colony apartments. SYNCO Properties that is. No independent corroboration. Also, as to KJH comment, this is a years-in-the-making sort of project, if at all.

[kermit]

Easements mean less than I thought....

Ever since I arrived in Charlotte (and almost certainly long before) Winthrop Ave has had an easement to be extended from Magnolia to McDonald and Dilworth Mews ct, something that would nicely flesh out the grid in newer Dilworth. This easement is sorta visible in the screenshot below. 

Unfortunately teardowns and rebuilds have now made that street extension impossible -- the house on McDonald to the east of the easement is now being rebuilt with minimal setback from the lot line.

There were also deed restrictions all along McDonald (I suspect Magnolia as well) limiting houses to 1.5 stories. those got trashed / ignored when teardowns started around 2006.

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by kermit

[SgtCampsalot]

19 hours ago, kermit said:

Unfortunately teardowns and rebuilds have now made that street extension impossible -- the house on McDonald to the east of the easement is now being rebuilt with minimal setback from the lot line.

Well that's super weak.

[slipperypete]

On 4/25/2021 at 5:27 PM, kermit said:

Easements mean less than I thought....

Ever since I arrived in Charlotte (and almost certainly long before) Winthrop Ave has had an easement to be extended from Magnolia to McDonald and Dilworth Mews ct, something that would nicely flesh out the grid in newer Dilworth. This easement is sorta visible in the screenshot below. 

Unfortunately teardowns and rebuilds have now made that street extension impossible -- the house on McDonald to the east of the easement is now being rebuilt with minimal setback from the lot line.

It's not the current owners who have doomed reconnection - it was the owners of all parcels adjacent to that never-opened street, who came together in 1961 to make a "Declaration of Withdrawal from Dedication." It's on meckrodhistorical.com, deed book 2291, page 357.  Not sure why it still shows as an easement, since it has been fully owned by those deed holders since 1961. 

Then when Dilworth Mews came in they further closed off the possibility by introducing their plat with no path for Winthrop.  

Plus the skinny house sitting on half of the right of way at Tremont is interesting. It is supposedly on lot 7 and part of lot 6, block 58 of Dilworth (map book 332, page 215), but it sure looks like it's using the Winthrop right of way, and not actually much of lot 7. That looks like there was some creative surveying done whenever that was subdivided. Not sure when that happened - the trail goes cold in 1995 and would take some digging in the old deed index.