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Hottest SE City For Development

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  1. 1. What city (In the SE) is the hottest in terms of development so far in '05?

    • Charlotte
      81
    • Orlando
      30
    • Tampa
      12
    • Atlanta
      45
    • Jacksonville
      21
    • Nashville
      37
    • Other, specify
      38


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I voted for Nashville.

With the Signature Tower, new mid-rise/high-rise condo development, and more projects being planned for downtown, Nashville seems to be having some very nice development.

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I'll be a homer and say Orlando. All the cities listed will have transformed their skylines in 3-5 years time. We're taking skyline transformation to another dimension, with some thirty highrises recently completed, u/c or planned for our now smallish downtown.

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In terms of shear size, I'll say Fort Myers, FL. They have over 20 highrises going up in downtown. At least 15 of those will range in 20-30+ story range. Its more significant than the other cities on this list, because a year ago, they didn't even have a skyline.

As for the others, I'll rank them as this. My list only evaluates highrise development in the downtown core areas of town. All are close, but I think they probably shake down like this.

N/A - Atlanta (I really don't know what's going on in this town)

1. Tampa

2. Orlando

3. Jacksonville

4. Charlotte

5. Nashville

If anyone is really interested in truly ranking these cities, then a representative from each town should provide an accurate list of all the projects over 10 floors or 100ft, going up in their respective downtowns. Then we'll really know where these booming cities stand in regards to one another.

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Well in Charlotte:::

Vue 50-58 floors

Epicenter 50+ floors

Wachovia 40+ floors

Trademark 28 floors

Citadin Towers 22 floors each (2)

Citadin Towers 10 floors each (2)

Ritz Carlton 15 floors

Avenue 37 floors

Courtside 17 floors.

Berkman Carolina Theater Proposal 22 floors

Midtown Tower Mixed Use Thing 2x?

615 Morehead 20?

Charlotte has more new development than Jax and Nashville; larger buildings than in Orlando. Tampa looks like it has the most new development proposed and u/c though.

The nice thing about Charlotte's current downtown development is that skyscrapers are only the tip of the iceberg so to speak. Elizabeth Ave, the Midtown project, the New Transit Center, the Arena, Potential NASCAR HOF, etc.

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What's great is all these cities are making great improvements to their skylines. Charlotte already has some really tall buildings as does Tampa. The new buildings will just add to an already impressive skyline. In Orlando there's only 3 buildings over 400 feet. It's a small skyline for the size of the city. That's about to change though. There are 10 buildings over 400 feet either U/C or proposed that will change the skyline instead of just add to it. There are also 24 more buildings U/C or proposed that are between 100 and 396 feet. I think you'll get the biggest wow factor from people who see Orlando today and then three years from now.

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Jax - U/C, approved, proposed (If I missed any or are erroneous, please correct)

Riverpoint - 48 (2 towers, being redesigned)

Mixed use tower - 44 (Will probably never be built)

Peninsula - 37

St. Johns Pointe 1 - 36

St. Johns Pointe 2 - 33

St. Johns Pointe 3 - 30

St. Johns Pointe 4 - 15

Riverwalk Village 1 - 35

Riverwalk Village 2 - 35

Riverwalk Village 3 - 35

Riverwalk Village 4 - 30

Riverwalk Village 5 - 28

JEA Tower - 31

Strand - 28

Landing Tower - 25

Berkman Plaza Phase II - 23

San Marco Place - 21

Riverside Avenue Office Tower - 13

Ocean Square - 12

Westin Hotel - 12

323 Duval - 12

The Lofts at East Union - 10

St Johns Center 3 - ?

Shipyards - ? multiple buildings.

JEA Southside - ? Multiple buildings (probably not very tall)

Landing Residentials - ? 6 buildings.

At lest 12 towers over 30 storys.

EDIT:

If you go by so far this year, that's more difficult to say who is hotter since construction dates, announcements and proporsals all come at the faults of many factors and can't really be held against the city's single year performance.

Currently going up in Jax in 05:

Peninsula - 27

Strand - 28

San Marco Place - 21

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I voted Charlotte due to the significant construction boom going on RIGHT NOW. Again I want to emphasize that I did not include proposed or planned, just projects that are U/C. Right now there are foundations being laid for towers and cranes literally littering the skyline, with more coming. I think in terms of total dollars of projects CLT easily wins the battle for 05'

Atlanta is a MAJOR contender as well. The differnece is that Atlanta is already so big that many projects fly under the radar and are unnoticed to the passer by. In Chalrotte the transformation from a regional City to a national city, is happening right in front of our eyes. With a ever expanding skyline that is gaining national recognition.

For the other cities listed, it is easy to argue that 06' might be their year (esp Tampa), as Charlotte has certainly taken 05'. I think with rates poised to go higher and the economy slowing, the chance that projects being proposed in other cities and even Charlotte will not see the light of day. JMHO.

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Well in Charlotte:::

Vue 50-58 floors

Epicenter 50+ floors

Wachovia 40+ floors

Trademark 28 floors

Citadin Towers 22 floors each (2)

Citadin Towers 10 floors each (2)

Ritz Carlton 15 floors

Avenue 37 floors

Courtside 17 floors.

Berkman Carolina Theater Proposal 22 floors

Midtown Tower Mixed Use Thing 2x?

615 Morehead 20?

Charlotte has more new development than Jax and Nashville; larger buildings than in Orlando. Tampa looks like it has the most new development proposed and u/c though.

The nice thing about Charlotte's current downtown development is that skyscrapers are only the tip of the iceberg so to speak. Elizabeth Ave, the Midtown project, the New Transit Center, the Arena, Potential NASCAR HOF, etc.

Downtown Jacksonville, doesn't have the height of Charlotte's proposed towers, but it appears to have a distinct edge on number of significant sized towers proposed or under construction. If anyone knows of projects I'm leaving out, feel free to correct me.

Bold = under construction

Italic = breaking ground within the next year

1. Riverpointe I - 48-40 stories

2. Riverpointe II - 48-40 stories

3. The Peninsula - 38 stories

4. St. Johns Pointe tower 1 - 36 stories

5. San Marco Riverwalk 1 - 35 stories

6. San Marco Riverwalk 2 - 35 stories

7. San Marco Riverwalk 3 - 35 stories

8. St. Johns Pointe tower 2 - 33 stories

9. Old JEA Tower expansion - 31 stories

10. San Marco Riverwalk 4 - 30 stories

11. San Marco Riverwalk 5 - 28 stories

12. The Strand - 28 stories

13. The Landing office tower - 25 stories

14. Berkman Plaza II - 22 stories

15. San Marco Place - 21 stories

16.St. Johns Pointe 4 - 15 stories

17. St. Johns Center III - 13 stories

18. Riverside Partners - 13 stories

19. Westin Hotel - 12 stories

20. 323 Duval - 12 stories

21. Ocean Square - 12 stories

22. Lofts at East Union - 10 stories

23. Fidelity National Financial - 9 stories

24. Kings Avenue Station - 8 stories

25. Duval County Courthouse - 8-10

There are two riverfront downtown projects, that will include significant towers, as well.

* Shipyards Development - 40 acre mixed-use development with 662 residential units.

* Southside Generation Station - 25 acre mixed-use development with up to 1,000 residential units.

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I will agree with you, but the key to 05' is things that are happening right now. I know of several projects that are going to be announced in the upcoming weeks, and even many more that are planned or proposed. The problem is that for every 5 proposed, you might get one project that actually happens. That is why I try and focus on what is actually happeing here and now. If there is not a crane or earth moving equipment, I consider it as non-existant.

Many expamles in CLT that are not mentioned are projects like:

Reflection Towers

The Park

BofA Tower

Hal Marshall plan

Levine Proposal

etc etc

While the projects MIGHT happen (and probably will), they are not churning up dirt, so I don't even consider them. The same acid test should be used in all cities in this poll.

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^How many highrise projects are currently going up in downtown Charlotte? From my records, downtown Jax has at least 5 under construction as we speak. Tampa and Orlando have more, but I don't know the exact number.

Viper, do you have an idea of how many projects are rising at Jax Beach?

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Add Villa Riva - 12 to the 2005 projects.

A dozen or so but most are under 12 storys. I'll make a quick count.

EDIT:

I count 14 but that's just from what we have already listed in the Jax board. I'm not sure if any have started since or will start soon.

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Maybe this will help show you. This is from NEO and Dubone, their hard work has plotted what is U/C, planned, or owners w/ plans.

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.ph...ype=post&id=726

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This is the listing that coresponds to the map.

For more detail just access the thread:

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.ph...opic=14944&st=0

1 Center City Streetcar Spurs

2 South Light Rail

3 615 East Morehead

4 Irwin Creek Greenway

5 Trade Street Streetcar/Pedestrian Improvements

6 Multimodal Station

7 Third Ward Park

8 5 Wachovia

9 Davidson Street Extension

10 Metro School

11 Independence-Kenilworth Intersection

12 Little Sugar Creek Greenway

13 Target - Home Depot

14 Midtown Square Condo and Shops

15 Grubb Elizabeth Ave Development

16 Seaboard Street Extension

17 5th Street Extension

18 The Citidan

19 The Park Condos

20 Trademark Condos

21 Third Ward Park Complementary Development (Furman?)

22 Adam's Mark Redevelopment

23 The Avenue Condos

24 South Blvd/277 Reconfiguration

25 2nd Ward Master Plan (Furman, Brooklyn Renaissance Project)

26 Courtside Condos

27 Court6 Condos

28 Renwick Condos and Apartments

29 Drakeford 8th St. Townhouses

30 M Street Condos

31 Piedmont Court Hope IV Redev.

32 Alpha Cotton Mill Apartments

33 Brevard Street Widening / Pedestrian Improvements

34 First Ward Park and Parking Deck

35 CPCC Master Plan

36 Garrison at Graham

37 Fourth Ward Greenway

38 North Commuter Rail

39 I-77 HOV Lane

40 230 S. Tryon St. Condos

41 Hampton Inn Clock Tower

42 North East Light Rail

43 Epicentre/TwoTenTrade

44 Trade Street Federal Courthouse

45 Trinity Capital Mixed-Use project/Polk Bldg

46 Queens University Law School

47 Westin Condos/Offices

48 Cornerstone 300 S. Tryon Offices

49 Amtrak High Speed Rail

50 CitiLine Development - Skybox

51 Reflections Tower

52 The Vue

53 1st Row Warehouse

54 Fiber Mills/NC Music Factory

55 200 W 10th

56 Wachovia Main

57 Hal Marshall Site

58 Levine Master Plan

59 UNCC

60 Arena Outparcels

61 NASCAR Hall of Fame

62 Lazes Entertainment District

63 Furman/Merryland Apartments/Mixed

64 Days Inn Site

65 Berkman Tower at Carolina Theatre

66 Cornerstone Condos at Carrillon

67 Gateway Village Expansion

68 "West End"/Coffee Cup Area

69 Ritz Carlton

70 2 Corporate Center

71 Arts Campus (Theatre/Bechtler/Mint/Wake Forest MBA)

72 The Ratcliffe Phase II/Wachovia Condos

73 Johnson and Wales Business School/Student Apartments

74 Spectrum Graham/Trade Residential Tower/Retail

75 Warehouse:3

76 The Piazza

77 Third Ward Warehouse District

Projects Completed >2000

C1 Sycamore Green

C2 Johnson & Wales

C3 Post Gateway

C4 Gateway Lofts

C5 Mt Moriah Church

C6 J&W Dorms

C7 Charlotte Cotton Mills

C8 Fifth and Poplar

C9 Silos

C10 626 N Graham

C11 715 N Church

C12 Hearst Tower

C13 First Ward Elem.

C14 Tivoli

C15 Cityview Lofts/Towns

C16 Skyline Terrace

C17 10th St Towns/Alex Lofts

C18 Saussy Burbank Homes

C19 Trinity Episcopal School

C20 Children & Family Services

C21 CPCC Facilities Services

C22 CPCC IT Building

C23 CPCC Prof Dev Building

C24 Ratcliffe on the Green

C25 Westin Charlotte

C26 3 Wachovia

C27 CPCC Academic Center

C28 Imaginon Children's Theatre/Library

C29 Meck Courthouse Parking Deck

C30 Meck Courthouse

C31 City View Towers Student Apts.

C32 CVS Pharmacy / Offices

C33 NBA Bobcats Arena

C35 Settler's Place

C36 Jefferson Place

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^That's a great map, but it doesn't break projects down by height. In fact, maps for all of the cities on this list would look the same way, when including public, low-rise and adaptive reuse projects.

*EDIT: I know the thread asks for Hottest SE City for Development. However, that would include everything in city limits, which makes for a difficult comparison. I would just like to know how these places add up, in terms of downtown highrise projects.

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^That's a great map, but it doesn't break projects down by height. In fact, maps for all of the cities on this list would look the same way, when including public, low-rise and adaptive reuse projects.

Most everyone U/C (LISTED IN ORANGE) is a high-rise over 12 stories. Height will range from as low as 14-stories to over 50.

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Can you name the highrise projects (under construction) for better clarification, for us who aren't as familiar with Charlotte? The map list orange as "under construction". Many (such as No. 2 or 11), appear to be road projects or low rise in nature.

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Can you name the highrise projects (under construction) for better clarification, for us who aren't as familiar with Charlotte? The map list orange as "under construction". Many (such as No. 2 or 11), appear to be road projects or low rise in nature.

^ check out the listing I put in above. Sorry I did not list them, but I don't want to duplicate what has been mentioned in thread after thread in the CLT forum.

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