Gateway 400 in Roswell

[ironchapman]

According to this article, developers are looking at Roswell to build a $100 million development called Gateway 400. The say it shall resemble a mini-Atlantic Station. Any thoughts?

IMO, it doesn't sound like too bad of an idea, going by the article alone. Sounds like it might be useful.

If this needs to go in the Atlantic Station thread, please tell me and I'll move it there.

[teshadoh]

I don't see any reason for this to be in the AS thread - this isn't about AS

I think this should be very interesting - especially if they attempt to promote a transit component to this project, either existing bus lines or the very far future MARTA rail plan.

But I can only imagine the view from the 20 story towers (if they are able to build them that tall) - that part of Roswell is beautiful. Very hilly & the river is very wide at the shoals.

[Newnan_Eric]

I think this should be very interesting - especially if they attempt to promote a transit component to this project, either existing bus lines or the very far future MARTA rail plan.

But I can only imagine the view from the 20 story towers (if they are able to build them that tall) - that part of Roswell is beautiful. Very hilly & the river is very wide at the shoals.

That area is a little gem in Roswell. Ten years ago I lived just on the other side of the river and commuted up through there to an office off of Old Alabama Road.

I have to agree with Brad, though. Transit would be a good thing if they're going to squeeze that kind of density in there. (Traffic was no picnic ten years ago. I can only imagine what it's like now.)

[atlla]

I don't see any reason for this to be in the AS thread - this isn't about AS

I think this should be very interesting - especially if they attempt to promote a transit component to this project, either existing bus lines or the very far future MARTA rail plan.

But I can only imagine the view from the 20 story towers (if they are able to build them that tall) - that part of Roswell is beautiful. Very hilly & the river is very wide at the shoals.

I agree! With the elevations of that area, and if it was to become more urban, that would be a cool place to live and I know people around my age (21-30), would move there. That would be an amazing area and the views of Buckhead, Midtown, and Downtown would be awesome from a highrise. They would also get Perimeter, and Vinings skylines.

[krazeeboi]

This is interesting; I have a friend who stays off Holcomb Bridge Road and I always stay with him when I come to Atlanta. I'm trying to envision the exact area that's being talked about in the article.

[Lady Celeste]

This is interesting; I have a friend who stays off Holcomb Bridge Road and I always stay with him when I come to Atlanta. I'm trying to envision the exact area that's being talked about in the article.

If it's going to be on the east side of Holcomb Bridge (which has horrible rushhour traffic) on 107 acres, I would say that it's going to be the area by the Home Depot. It's not going to be directly on Holcomb Bridge. I am thinking the Old Alabama/Riverside Dr area since the article did say that single family homes would be along the river. If you know where the Martins Landing subdivision and the Home Depot shopping Center....I think there is a CompUSA in the same complex then that is where I'm thinking it will be. It has been so long since I have been in that area. Okay, I just reread the article..........yes indeed that is the area. There are some dreadful apartments there called Kings Crossing IIRC.....great location for redevelopment. So Krazeeboi if you are on GA400 northbound and you take the first exit (Duluth exit) if will be to your immediate right.

[krazeeboi]

Thanks Celeste.

And yes, Holcomb Bridge DOES have horrible rush hour traffic.

[ryanmckibben]

During my surburban years (I have tried my best to forget them) I lived right across from Martins Landing. I remember attending a MARTA community meeting on the future N Fulton expansion. At the time they planned on a station right in that general vicinity.

However, barring some dramatic new developments in MARTA's funding mechanisms, I don't see MARTA expanding anywhere in the short to medium term. Unless the developers have a 10+ year build out planned that place will be built and generating traffic long before fixed rail reaches that area.

[teshadoh]

In the early 90's I lived on the east side of Martins Landing at Eves Rd too

MARTA I had thought owns or has dibs on the land at Holcomb Bridge & 400 - the undeveloped property between the shopping center. Ryan - you're probably right, but I still hope they will eventually build it. Or at least some BRT.

[Lady Celeste]

During my surburban years (I have tried my best to forget them) I lived right across from Martins Landing. I remember attending a MARTA community meeting on the future N Fulton expansion. At the time they planned on a station right in that general vicinity.

However, barring some dramatic new developments in MARTA's funding mechanisms, I don't see MARTA expanding anywhere in the short to medium term. Unless the developers have a 10+ year build out planned that place will be built and generating traffic long before fixed rail reaches that area.

What a small world Ryan. You and I must have been at the same meeting. I remember them saying that there would be a station at Ga 400/Spalding Dr, Ga 400/Northridge, Ga 400/Holcomb Bridge, Ga 400/Mansell Rd (where the park and ride is currently located) and Ga 400/Windward Pkwy. I may have added two stations to many but that's what I remember. That would have been great had they had the money to do so. We had just moved from Roswell to north Alpharetta and the Windward station would have been great for access to downtown, Buckhead and the airport. That was until they said the Windward station wouldn't be online until 2025. I figured by then I wouldn't even live in Atlanta. With the current setup, by the time I drive 20 miles south to get to the North Springs station, I might as well continue driving to my destination. We still do take the train however to the airport and I would occassionally take the children on the train. It's such a treat for them. That was until they said the Windward station wouldn't be online until 2025. I figured by then I wouldn't even live in Atlanta...

Oh well....

On a side note, the Holcomb Bridge station would have been very helpful for western Gwinnettians. Instead of driving down to Doraville, they could cut across to Roswell. Plus with this new development, I'm sure there would be a need for public trans. GA 400 is already a monster during rushhour....I can only imagine if high density residential take off along this corridor, it will only get worse. I wish there was a way for Marta to switch to light rail from North Springs northward. At least get a station to Holcomb Bridge.....and scratch the Spalding Dr station. There is no need. This way Marta can begin to turn into a commuter rail like configuration in the far flung suburbs as opposed to stops every two miles.

Oh well, wishful thinking.

P.S.- Brad how funny....we all were almost in the same area. Remember that Harris Teeter on Holcomb Bridge. It was in the Alpharetta portion of Holcomb Bridge. It was across from what is now a "mixed use" development called The Ellard. I loved that place and I was there often. It was a drive for me but you could get some wonderful gourmet items there. Until Whole Foods came, I was a big Harris Teeter fan.....then they left Atlanta....just like Brunos.

[tombarnes]

Roswell is stunning. My cousins live at Mimosa Hall on Bulloch Avenue. I have visited there and it is a remarkable place.

[vanwyck]

What a small world Ryan. You and I must have been at the same meeting. I remember them saying that there would be a station at Ga 400/Spalding Dr, Ga 400/Northridge, Ga 400/Holcomb Bridge, Ga 400/Mansell Rd (where the park and ride is currently located) and Ga 400/Windward Pkwy. I may have added two stations to many but that's what I remember. That would have been great had they had the money to do so. We had just moved from Roswell to north Alpharetta and the Windward station would have been great for access to downtown, Buckhead and the airport. That was until they said the Windward station wouldn't be online until 2025. I figured by then I wouldn't even live in Atlanta. With the current setup, by the time I drive 20 miles south to get to the North Springs station, I might as well continue driving to my destination. We still do take the train however to the airport and I would occassionally take the children on the train. It's such a treat for them. That was until they said the Windward station wouldn't be online until 2025. I figured by then I wouldn't even live in Atlanta...

Oh well....

On a side note, the Holcomb Bridge station would have been very helpful for western Gwinnettians. Instead of driving down to Doraville, they could cut across to Roswell. Plus with this new development, I'm sure there would be a need for public trans. GA 400 is already a monster during rushhour....I can only imagine if high density residential take off along this corridor, it will only get worse. I wish there was a way for Marta to switch to light rail from North Springs northward. At least get a station to Holcomb Bridge.....and scratch the Spalding Dr station. There is no need. This way Marta can begin to turn into a commuter rail like configuration in the far flung suburbs as opposed to stops every two miles.

Oh well, wishful thinking.

P.S.- Brad how funny....we all were almost in the same area. Remember that Harris Teeter on Holcomb Bridge. It was in the Alpharetta portion of Holcomb Bridge. It was across from what is now a "mixed use" development called The Ellard. I loved that place and I was there often. It was a drive for me but you could get some wonderful gourmet items there. Until Whole Foods came, I was a big Harris Teeter fan.....then they left Atlanta....just like Brunos.

I still live in this area. Lately, since Katrina, I have been taking MARTA to work every day. I work in Buckhead at the same design firm that Ryan worked at a few years ago; that is if he is the same Ryan McKibben I think he is. I thought he moved to Anderson, SC... Anyway, the deal killer for many is the change in mode from bus to rail. One evening, while waiting for the bus to depart back for the Mansell Park and Ride lot, I counted 112 cars leaving North Springs Station and heading north on 400. The potential ridership for an extended north rail line is there. I don't think that switching modes, either BRT or LRT is a real solution, because the stationary waiting on the platform time is enough to keep most people in their cars. MARTA desparately needs a new funding commitment, or it risks becoming irrelevant.

[Lady Celeste]

... Anyway, the deal killer for many is the change in mode from bus to rail. One evening, while waiting for the bus to depart back for the Mansell Park and Ride lot, I counted 112 cars leaving North Springs Station and heading north on 400. The potential ridership for an extended north rail line is there. I don't think that switching modes, either BRT or LRT is a real solution, because the stationary waiting on the platform time is enough to keep most people in their cars. MARTA desparately needs a new funding commitment, or it risks becoming irrelevant.

I can agree with you here. If I'm 17 miles north of the North Springs Station and I have to sit in congestion to get on GA 400 from GA 141 and then it takes me 25-45 minutes from GA 141 to the North Springs station, why in the world would I get off GA 400 and park and wait for a train when I can continue south on GA 400 and spend another 25 minutes in traffic. By the time I park and wait for the train, it's the same. That's why I wished other counties or the state could see the value of an extended rail line. Especially up commerical and residential heavy GA 400. To me, there should be a station as far north as Peachtree Pkwy.....possibly GA 20. Forsyth county is not showing any signs of slowing in growth and now Dawson county is starting to pick up. I have no problem riding the trains to the city or airport.....I just could never see myself waiting for a bus.

I just hope the state would pitch in.....it's not just helping Atlanta, it's helping the metro as a whole.