NoDa (N Davidson St Arts District) Projects

[CLT Development]

1 hour ago, CLT> said:

Could be a Sprouts. They’re around 25-28k

Sprouts had a LOI here a number of years ago, wouldn't doubt it if it was retained. Trader Joes also fits the bill.

Edited February 10, 2021 by The Real Clayton

[ertley]

17 hours ago, kermit said:

From CBJ: https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2021/02/09/avery-hall-noda-grocery-store.html

RE: The project at 36th and N Tryon

Seems like its about 20,000 square feet too small for a modern store other than the boutique (e.g. Fresh Market) variety. I would be very surprised if a N Tryon location would work for a high end store like that.

* a grocery store other than Food Lion or Compare Foods

I think this is spectacular news, because it will be the first realization of TOD on North Tryon, which is just as close to the 36th Street station as anything else in NoDa is. With the extension of Philemon to connect to Cullman, that entire area south of North Tryon west and east of 36th should be successfully redeveloped, with its immediate proximity to the 36th Street station. 

The problem, obviously, for the lower part of North Tryon is its lack of direct access to light rail, but I feel like if Camp North End fulfills its potential, and then if the 36th/Atando area can come together, then it will have a better than mere fighting chance to redevelop into something good, with that (positive) pressure on either end. 

But with this new development at 36th, Atando Street would be within reasonable walking distance--perhaps not for an average person's daily commute, but for 'destination' occasions. IMHO Atando provides a terrific opportunity for redevelopment, with mid-century light industrial buildings of the same ilk being repurposed all over town. To me, Atando can mimic precisely what's happening on Thrift and Tuckaseegee, especially IF the city sticks to its original plan to extend 36th across Tryon and loop it through 'brown' land and connect it to Atando closer to Graham, at Ware Ave. Again, to me, that sets up all of the components for a vital new area like we're seeing west and south of uptown. The new 36th extension would offer a cross-town thoroughfare close by, like Freedom for Thrift/Tuckaseegee, that would not impinge on existing neighborhoods, as it would create a totally new route, with Atando left to flourish as a more pedestrian-friendly, neighborhood center. The buildings on Atando are set far enough back from the road that it could be totally reconstructed with ample bike lanes, on street parking, a central turning lane  throughout and broad sidewalks, with the extra-neighborhood traffic contained on 36th. I only worry because I saw *one* alternate plan showing the city merely connecting Atando at its SE end across Tryon to  Benard, which would certainly be cheaper but incredibly short-sighted, IMO, because it would put too much pressure on Atando to carry cross-town traffic and not focus on other elements. 

[Rickybobby]

Interesting insight and thoughts @ertley

I live in Brightwalk and frequent the NoDa area. Better connectivity between these two neighborhoods would have a huge impact. 

Does anyone know what the plans for 16th is long term? Other than 16th we have to go up to Matheson or inside 277 to get over to that side.

A grocery store of any kind anywhere between those two neighborhoods would do really well in my opinion. I typically drive over to Southend or even up to Harris Blvd to shop at a decent store. The HT just inside 277 just doesnt cut it.  

[JHart]

18 hours ago, kermit said:

* a grocery store other than Food Lion or Compare Foods

My initial reaction is also always how dare people disrespect the Big Kitty, but I think a grocery store with walkable access from the XCLT trail would be great. It's probably too far to walk for actual NoDa, but would serve the new apartments across the railroad up to Craighead well.

52 minutes ago, ertley said:

But with this new development at 36th, Atando Street would be within reasonable walking distance--perhaps not for an average person's daily commute, but for 'destination' occasions. IMHO Atando provides a terrific opportunity for redevelopment, with mid-century light industrial buildings of the same ilk being repurposed all over town. 

I don't want to sound pessimistic, but I really don't see Atando getting redeveloped for a long time. Atando/Graham in this area is very much active heavy commercial/light industrial and would take all sorts of remediation and you still really wouldn't be that close to anything. The Seversville/Wesley Heights area is a lot closer to Uptown and had existing parks and greenway access

[Desert Power]

12 hours ago, JHart said:

I don't want to sound pessimistic, but I really don't see Atando getting redeveloped for a long time. Atando/Graham in this area is very much active heavy commercial/light industrial and would take all sorts of remediation and you still really wouldn't be that close to anything. The Seversville/Wesley Heights area is a lot closer to Uptown and had existing parks and greenway access

As much as I like @ertley's ideas, this is far more realistic.  There is a lot of traffic on this route...as someone that depended on it for 77 access for a bit

[KJHburg]

Camden NoDa apartments and I think these are going to look good if they stick the renderings.  They will have some coworking space there too. 

Camden NoDa | Axiom Architecture

drive by today

[Matthew.Brendan]

[Urban Cowboy]

I promise I'm not trying to start a turf war... 

Buuuut.... I want to note for the record, that this is technically Optimist Park. NOT NoDa. 

[lit]

8 hours ago, Urban Cowboy said:

I promise I'm not trying to start a turf war... 

Buuuut.... I want to note for the record, that this is technically Optimist Park. NOT NoDa. 

You are right. We need to get this info out there before people try to call it “SoNoDa” or something stupid like that.

[kermit]

1 hour ago, lit said:

You are right. We need to get this info out there before people try to call it “SoNoDa” or something stupid like that.

NoOPDa?

Edited February 28, 2021 by kermit

[KJHburg]

about the development around Sugar Creek Rd station.  NoNoDa my name or UpNoDa  upper NoDa). 

A Big Vision for North of NoDa - Charlotte is Creative

[Landhawker]

[JHart]

21 hours ago, KJHburg said:

about the development around Sugar Creek Rd station.  NoNoDa my name or UpNoDa  upper NoDa). 

A Big Vision for North of NoDa - Charlotte is Creative

If you're going off of Google Maps like @Urban Cowboy this is just Noda, although I don't think I agree with the distinction. Either way it's a no from me dawg on any more acronyms like South End got.

[Desert Power]

4 hours ago, JHart said:

If you're going off of Google Maps like @Urban Cowboy this is just Noda, although I don't think I agree with the distinction. Either way it's a no from me dawg on any more acronyms like South End got.

It's NoDa. This is silly. All of these marginal neighborhood names get confusing enough.

[AP3]

I don't recall seeing these conceptual site plans/renderings for the proposed grocery store at the corner of 36th & Tryon, but came across them in the flyer for the property that Amelie's was going to lease.

https://astonprop.propertycapsule.com/property/output/document/view/id:1593?time=1,616,099,546,701

 

[JacksonH]

On 3/12/2021 at 6:53 AM, KJHburg said:

about the development around Sugar Creek Rd station.  NoNoDa my name or UpNoDa  upper NoDa). 

A Big Vision for North of NoDa - Charlotte is Creative

If you're trying to give someone a reference point, perhaps just say "NoDa area near Sugar Creek Station."  The same could have been done in other areas without coming up with micro-neighborhood names like LoSo.  Perhaps in the future when those areas become much more populated and dense the distinctions may become necessary, but not now.

[RugbyPike#11]

On 2/28/2021 at 6:47 AM, lit said:

You are right. We need to get this info out there before people try to call it “SoNoDa” or something stupid like that.

I can't help but notice that the neighborhood is south of NoDa and the southern portion of Parkwood Ave is a major road in that area.  I therefore, resubmit an old idea for consideration.

Welcome home... to SoDaSoPa

Old ideas are new again.

[Yo Diaz!]

I can't help but notice that the neighborhood is south of NoDa and the southern portion of Parkwood Ave is a major road in that area.  I therefore, resubmit an old idea for consideration.
Welcome home... to SoDaSoPa

Old ideas are new again.

Hahaha! I second that, on the condition there will be some version of great views of historic Kenny’s house.


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[11 HouseBZ]

The top floor of the new apartments in the corner of Brevard at Brooks has some of the best views from NoDa.

[KJHburg]

Camden NoDa and those new apartments along N Brevard forget the name of that one. (first photo)  I am not sure if that apartment complex on N Brevard is SoNoDa or WeVilHeights or UpOP (upper Optimist Park) 

[InTheYear2000]

15 hours ago, 11 HouseBZ said:

 

 

 

The top floor of the new apartments in the corner of Brevard at Brooks has some of the best views from NoDa.

That building is such a great use of space.

Also, I would love a web cam from this vantage point to check the line at Brooks before I head up there!

[JacksonH]

Too bad it's not the other church property closer to the heart of NoDa, but this is still positive.  And 12-15 retail units is very encouraging.

https://charlotte.axios.com/252962/micro-retail-and-micro-apartments-coming-to-noda/

[Desert Power]

That's really a great fit on a site that I feared would sit empty for much longer.

[SgtCampsalot]

1 hour ago, JacksonH said:

Too bad it's not the other church property closer to the heart of NoDa, but this is still positive.  And 12-15 retail units is very encouraging.

https://charlotte.axios.com/252962/micro-retail-and-micro-apartments-coming-to-noda/

Nice, David Furman coming through.

I can't figure out, though: are they preserving the main church building for the retail?

[JacksonH]

2 hours ago, SgtCampsalot said:

Nice, David Furman coming through.

I can't figure out, though: are they preserving the main church building for the retail?

I didn't get the feeling that they're saving the church building.  Does it have any historical or architectural significance?