NoDa (N Davidson St Arts District) Projects

[KJHburg]

Grubb is building an approx. 100,000 sq ft office building at the Herrin Ice site on 36th St. 

Overall I do think office development will not be nearly as much asin  Southend as there is just better road network in that area. And honestly most of the best sites are being snapped up by apartment developers along the light rail north of uptown.  

[archiham04]

I think that neighborhood is going to trump car access in the coming years.  Office markets in NoDa and Plaza Midwood are picking up.  Several are in the works.

Edited June 8, 2021 by archiham04

[KJHburg]

Grubb's Herrin Coal and Ice project (does this have a name yet>) and the Johnston Mill renovation for apartments. Today. 

and further down 36th Street new townhomes and more coming. 

[swh1972]

Per their Instagram feed, Mattie's Diner started construction at their new location today.

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[Desert Power]

A little dark, but the new Camden building is massive:

 

Google Maps has this plot of land in both Noda and OP. Anyone know if is in Noda or does that stop at Matheson even here?

[KJHburg]

these names are very subjective as I would call this NoDa as Villa Heights is more the neighborhood on the other side of N Davidson heading towards the Plaza.  NoDa is a made up name like Southend as this area would have been called North Charlotte many years ago. 

[cltheel.sdl]

On 6/29/2021 at 6:52 PM, Desert Power said:

A little dark, but the new Camden building is massive:

 

Google Maps has this plot of land in both Noda and OP. Anyone know if is in Noda or does that stop at Matheson even here?

What do you guys think of this area of NoDa?  Seems a little too far south to be "true NoDa" but all of the new apartment complexes being built have "NoDa" in their branding.  Do you think this area is getting oversupplied with apartments?  

[slipperypete]

9 hours ago, cltheel.sdl said:

What do you guys think of this area of NoDa?  Seems a little too far south to be "true NoDa" but all of the new apartment complexes being built have "NoDa" in their branding.  Do you think this area is getting oversupplied with apartments?  

It's really Optimist Park, but that's not going to put butts in apartments yet. The NoDa brand is pretty strong. 

As far as oversupply, that's really doubtful. This is about 3 blocks from a light rail stop, 4 from a park and greenway, and about 5 from lots of shopping and dining. It's a great location for young professionals. Plus, the more apartments we get like this, the less pressure on older, cheaper rental housing. 

[cltheel.sdl]

Has anyone heard about Lintmen's Food Hall, tenants, opening date, etc?  Their website says it will open in 2021 but I haven't really heard anything or seen anything regarding tenants or renovation progress.  I think that's really going to make this south NoDa/north Optimist Park area really blow up along with the Seoul Food that's opening behind Lintmen's.  

 

Also, what's going on with the 25th Street Living Bridge?  I think that's going to help tremendously with connectivity to the light rail, but I haven't really seen or heard much about how close they are to opening.  Their website also says a 2021 opening.

[Desert Power]

1 hour ago, cltheel.sdl said:

Also, what's going on with the 25th Street Living Bridge?  I think that's going to help tremendously with connectivity to the light rail, but I haven't really seen or heard much about how close they are to opening.  Their website also says a 2021 opening.

It's built, I've walked over it several times now. Not sure when it opens officially.

 

[cltheel.sdl]

@Desert Power, nice - looking good!  Do you know anything about what's going on with the Lintmen's Food Hall?  

[Desert Power]

13 minutes ago, cltheel.sdl said:

@Desert Power, nice - looking good!  Do you know anything about what's going on with the Lintmen's Food Hall?  

Haven't seen much activity. I read somewhere that Seoul was opening later this year. Will take some pics this PM and follow  up.

[Desert Power]

2 hours ago, Desert Power said:

Haven't seen much activity. I read somewhere that Seoul was opening later this year. Will take some pics this PM and follow  up.

Looks really far away:

 

[cltheel.sdl]

Thanks - yeah, they definitely look like they have barely gotten started.  Hopefully it doesn't fall through...

[KJHburg]

25th Street bridge opened.  (and will there be a light at N Davidson and 25th I could not even turn left there so much traffic)  Camden NoDa apartments.  Johnston Mill apartments.   Last photo along N Davidson are these apartments in this small building? 

[JHart]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

25th Street bridge opened.  (and will there be a light at N Davidson and 25th I could not even turn left there so much traffic)  Camden NoDa apartments.  Johnston Mill apartments.   Last photo along N Davidson are these apartments in this small building? 

The last photo is a condo building with 6(?) condos I think. If I remember a couple of years ago the original plan was delivery in 2018 but presales were very poor and they delayed until finally last year they just started building them, and poorly at that. 

Edit: Oof yeah, 6 currently available on Redfin, listed for 1429 days...

Edited August 4, 2021 by JHart
Found for sale. $300k (1b1ba) -$495k (2b2ba)

[CLT2014]

Being in an Condo Owners Association with just 8 other units that share walls could be really great..... or a nightmare. It gets even more fun when half your fellow owners don't even live in the building and just rent it out as an AirBnB or to tenants. The four residents remaining get to be COA President, Treasurer, and Secretary by default. 

Edited August 4, 2021 by CLT2014

[KJHburg]

Yes those condos are called NoDa Terrace and only 8 and the elevator comes directly to your front door which is nice. Units from 299K to 495K available interesting that 6 are still available out of 8 but they have delayed marketing of some units until they were further along with construction which is happening in new builds right now. 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by KJHburg

[slipperypete]

14 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Yes those condos are called NoDa Terrace and only 8 and the elevator comes directly to your front door which is nice. Units from 299K to 495K available interesting that 6 are still available out of 8 but they have delayed marketing of some units until they were further along with construction which is happening in new builds right now. 

Man, I sure wouldn't want to own 1/8th of an elevator. That's a lot of ongoing maintenance cost (in the best case scenario if there is a contract - I'll bet as much as $300-400/unit/year in this case), plus repair for malfunction (at emergency rates if someone is trapped). Worst case scenario is that regular maintenance isn't kept up and there are major issues from that neglect down the road. 

Just one more thing for the HOA board members to think about. And having been on the board in a small HOA community recently I'll bet they will be lucky to have 2 homeowners willing to serve on the board. Maintenance free living! (for the 6 owners who don't help on the board)  

[Blue_Devil]

1 hour ago, slipperypete said:

Man, I sure wouldn't want to own 1/8th of an elevator. That's a lot of ongoing maintenance cost (in the best case scenario if there is a contract - I'll bet as much as $300-400/unit/year in this case), plus repair for malfunction (at emergency rates if someone is trapped). Worst case scenario is that regular maintenance isn't kept up and there are major issues from that neglect down the road. 

Just one more thing for the HOA board members to think about. And having been on the board in a small HOA community recently I'll bet they will be lucky to have 2 homeowners willing to serve on the board. Maintenance free living! (for the 6 owners who don't help on the board)  

Small building elevators aren't too bad from a Maintenance stand point. I worked with Otis a lot on smaller facility elevators and a PM contract would run a 1000 or 2000 a year. 

[slipperypete]

48 minutes ago, Blue_Devil said:

Small building elevators aren't too bad from a Maintenance stand point. I worked with Otis a lot on smaller facility elevators and a PM contract would run a 1000 or 2000 a year. 

Good to know.  Still wouldn't want to own one in such a small HOA. 

[KJHburg]

Interesting story about NoDa from the Charlotte Ledger about NoDa's growth and Southend comparison.  First off Southend where most of the apartment complexes have been built was not a residential area it was an industrial area.  Yes SF homes  in nearby Dilworth and Wilmore but not right in the heart of Southend apartment communities centered on the LYNX line.

From the article 

""Neighbors who live by it say it’s no surprise that developers have sized up the site — that’s the way it goes all over Charlotte these days: If there’s available land, somebody’s going to start crunching some numbers and imagining the possibilities.  But they say they worry that plans here for the church site go too far, even in a neighborhood like NoDa that’s undergoing rapid transformation. What was once an eclectic old mill village east of uptown is now increasingly becoming a pricey enclave for the younger crowd.""

^^^ that changed a long time ago at least 5 year plus years ago the neighborhood the core has had very high home prices.  If higher density is not allowed 2 blocks from the light rail then where can it go?

from the article continues"

""Ascent Real Estate Capital and Centro Cityworks are proposing to build 225 residential units and 15,000 s.f. of mini-retail spots, in a five-story development similar in concept to Centro Railyard off South Tryon Street in South End.  Said Paula Martinac, a writer who lives nearby: “They open their argument with, ‘Go to South End and see what we’ve done there.’ This neighborhood has repeatedly said we don’t want to be South End.  So far, the two sides seem to have found little common ground. An online petition by residents, which had more than 350 signatures as of Thursday, called the development “a massive, out-of-scale structure that would tower over the adjacent single-family homes” and said it includes “demolition of a 1929 church and the elimination of green space and mature trees.” It likened the complex to a “high-priced dorm” with the potential to “increase traffic, sanitation problems, noise, flooding and crime.”"

This is classic NIMBY and on this very stretch of 36th St are 3 story townhomes.    I do think some of this is the loss of green space and I do understand that but you have a closed church that is trying to sell their property and 36th St is the main commercial street through NoDa along with N Davidson. 

 

 

[InTheYear2000]

8 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

Interesting story about NoDa from the Charlotte Ledger about NoDa's growth and Southend comparison.  First off Southend where most of the apartment complexes have been built was not a residential area it was an industrial area.  Yes SF homes  in nearby Dilworth and Wilmore but not right in the heart of Southend apartment communities centered on the LYNX line.

From the article 

""Neighbors who live by it say it’s no surprise that developers have sized up the site — that’s the way it goes all over Charlotte these days: If there’s available land, somebody’s going to start crunching some numbers and imagining the possibilities.  But they say they worry that plans here for the church site go too far, even in a neighborhood like NoDa that’s undergoing rapid transformation. What was once an eclectic old mill village east of uptown is now increasingly becoming a pricey enclave for the younger crowd.""

^^^ that changed a long time ago at least 5 year plus years ago the neighborhood the core has had very high home prices.  If higher density is not allowed 2 blocks from the light rail then where can it go?

from the article continues"

""Ascent Real Estate Capital and Centro Cityworks are proposing to build 225 residential units and 15,000 s.f. of mini-retail spots, in a five-story development similar in concept to Centro Railyard off South Tryon Street in South End.  Said Paula Martinac, a writer who lives nearby: “They open their argument with, ‘Go to South End and see what we’ve done there.’ This neighborhood has repeatedly said we don’t want to be South End.  So far, the two sides seem to have found little common ground. An online petition by residents, which had more than 350 signatures as of Thursday, called the development “a massive, out-of-scale structure that would tower over the adjacent single-family homes” and said it includes “demolition of a 1929 church and the elimination of green space and mature trees.” It likened the complex to a “high-priced dorm” with the potential to “increase traffic, sanitation problems, noise, flooding and crime.”"

This is classic NIMBY and on this very stretch of 36th St are 3 story townhomes.    I do think some of this is the loss of green space and I do understand that but you have a closed church that is trying to sell their property and 36th St is the main commercial street through NoDa along with N Davidson. 

I have been fighting with these people at all the meetings.  It's disused property about a quarter mile from the light rail directly next to another 5 story apartment building. It's not just the right thing for the property it's the right thing to capitalize on the billions spent on transit into the neighborhood.  The real cognitive dissonance  though is a good portion of the outspoken live in said 5 story apartment building. It'd be a shame for them to loose their big grassy dog toilet.

[rancenc]

New townhouse community in the works for the NoDa area!

https://charlotte.axios.com/271819/more-townhomes-are-coming-to-noda/?fbclid=IwAR1P5XH2CokVOxYWeKpF5e3eeOyyswn-QBRj99KJOCyERZ66mzHX6I0qrRA

[KJHburg]

these Camden NoDa apartments next to Chadbourn mill are really coming along.  and the apartment complex by the Matheson bridge forget the name of that one.  Also the site of the Avery Hall project at N Tryon and 36th St.  

Apartments for Rent in Charlotte, NC - Camden NoDa (camdenliving.com)

3100 North Tryon Street – Avery Hall (averyhallinvestments.com)   maybe an Amazon Fresh grocery??

Edited September 10, 2021 by KJHburg
wrong street name