NoDa (N Davidson St Arts District) Projects

[Hushpuppy321]

Still shocked there’s this much demand for apartments in/near NODA.  Between the Link, Johnston Mill & Philemon Rd Apartments all currently under construction that’s a lot in a small area at the same time…

[CLT Development]

On 9/30/2022 at 11:52 PM, Hushpuppy321 said:

Still shocked there’s this much demand for apartments in/near NODA.  Between the Link, Johnston Mill & Philemon Rd Apartments all currently under construction that’s a lot in a small area at the same time…

Its the most walkable neighborhood in Charlotte, has a crap ton of culture and character and it only takes 8 minutes on the train to be at Trade and Tryon. And if Meck County can make all the acquisitions it intends, the Cross Charlotte Trail will spill into a 20 acre park along Cullman Avenue in the next 5 years. Soon it'll also go from 0 grocery stores to 2 maybe even 3.

Edited October 3, 2022 by CLT Development

[11 HouseBZ]

Honest question here; is the Food kitty and the penny not considered part of serving NoDa? So wouldn't the neighborhood already have 2? Granted, I definitely think there is room for another, as thousands of new neighbors are added to the hood.

BTW is the county's plan for the entirety of Cullman to be a park or maybe one side? Just wondering because of the parrish tire plans noted above.

[kermit]

1 hour ago, 11 HouseBZ said:

Honest question here; is the Food kitty and the penny not considered part of serving NoDa? So wouldn't the neighborhood already have 2? Granted, I definitely think there is room for another, as thousands of new neighbors are added to the hood.

BTW is the county's plan for the entirety of Cullman to be a park or maybe one side? Just wondering because of the parrish tire plans noted above.

1) Giant Penny doesn't count

2) No one who can afford a house in NoDa these days -wants- to shop at Food Lion

3) IIRC the park is just on the creek side of Cullman, the side against the tracks is high enough elevation to be OK.

[tozmervo]

14 hours ago, 11 HouseBZ said:

Honest question here; is the Food kitty and the penny not considered part of serving NoDa? So wouldn't the neighborhood already have 2? Granted, I definitely think there is room for another, as thousands of new neighbors are added to the hood.

BTW is the county's plan for the entirety of Cullman to be a park or maybe one side? Just wondering because of the parrish tire plans noted above.

This was constantly mystifying to me when I lived in Noda. I shopped at that Food Lion all the time, but people would act like it didn't exist. It's a small store with a PITA parking lot, but it was always perfectly clean and had easily 90% of the daily things I needed. 

[11 HouseBZ]

1 minute ago, tozmervo said:

This was constantly mystifying to me when I lived in Noda. I shopped at that Food Lion all the time, but people would act like it didn't exist. It's a small store with a PITA parking lot, but it was always perfectly clean and had easily 90% of the daily things I needed. 

 

Totally agree here. And for at least half of NoDa it's walkable.

[CLT Development]

13 hours ago, kermit said:

1) Giant Penny doesn't count

2) No one who can afford a house in NoDa these days -wants- to shop at Food Lion

3) IIRC the park is just on the creek side of Cullman, the side against the tracks is high enough elevation to be OK.

1) Agreed

2) I afforded a house and I primarily shop at Compare Foods and Food Lion, but WALKING to either would be a big pain.

3) It'll be on both sides of Cullman, I'll post the current basic plan tonight after the NoDa NBA meeting, and it'll get larger as they continue to acquire land through storm water purchases and through donations that are coming from Flywheel and Avery Hall. 

47 minutes ago, tozmervo said:

This was constantly mystifying to me when I lived in Noda. I shopped at that Food Lion all the time, but people would act like it didn't exist. It's a small store with a PITA parking lot, but it was always perfectly clean and had easily 90% of the daily things I needed. 

You framed this comment based on the automobile, thats the problem. The point is walkable closer to the center of NoDa. How often did you walk from Steel Gardens to Food Lion? The point is having something closer to transit that isn't a huge detour on the way home. My wife and I share a car and will forever, having something walkable would be life changing for a lot of people. From a walking perspective because of creeks and severed connections Food Lion is a hike for most NoDa residents on foot.

Edited October 4, 2022 by CLT Development

[tozmervo]

4 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

The point is walkable closer to the center of NoDa. How often did you walk from Steel Gardens to Food Lion? The point is having something closer to transit that isn't a huge detour on the way home. 

Fairly often, depending on how much I needed to buy. Was maybe a 12-13 minute walk? But even if there were a grocery story light rail-station adjacent, it would be the same walking distance from Steel Gardens. 36th & Tryon would actually be further away. 

[CLT Development]

5 minutes ago, tozmervo said:

Fairly often, depending on how much I needed to buy. Was maybe a 12-13 minute walk? But even if there were a grocery story light rail-station adjacent, it would be the same walking distance from Steel Gardens. 36th & Tryon would actually be further away. 

And now there will be one closer to the center of NoDa (33rd and North Davidson at the YMCA lot) and one near me on 36th and North Tryon, where 2200 new apartments are planned in the immediate area. 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, CLT Development said:

And now there will be one closer to the center of NoDa (33rd and North Davidson at the YMCA lot) and one near me on 36th and North Tryon, where 2200 new apartments are planned in the immediate area. 

Any other details on the YMCA lot? Curious if they’ll keep the original building 

[SydneyCarton]

[CLT Development]

18 hours ago, MothBeast said:

Any other details on the YMCA lot? Curious if they’ll keep the original building 

Nothing public as of this time but no they won't keep the building, there will be a new YMCA integrated, plus a grocery store, 300-400 apartments, commercial space and a small park. 

57 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Thanks I was coming here to post this!

[KJHburg]

walking around NoDa today and those new Camden NoDa apartments look fantastic!  Saw the new Avery Hall apartments with grocery store at 36th and N Tryon rising.  New apartments going up next to Amaze.    The Pass at Sugar Creek station looks good.  This walking group had no consensus on what to call the Sugar Creek station area.  Some developers are just called it NoDa.   But I think it is should be called something else.  Maybe Sugaw or maybe even Sugearee after the Native Americans who once encamped there. 

see this commentary and discussion on the name   https://www.cmstory.org/exhibits/hornets-nest-appendix/sugar-creek-or-sugaw-creek

anyway from South NoDa (Camden apartments) to the north end of NoDa (Sugaw, Sugarcreek, Sugeree, North NoDa) whatever you call it is BOOMING! 

Sections of the XCLT trail will go through this area and actually it is being built by the Camden NoDa apartments it is the 2nd wide sidewalk parallel to the other smaller one. There will be a Dutch style intersection at N Davidson and Jordan Place.  (evidently it is a bicycle friendly intersection type used in the Netherlands)   Notice the XCLT in the 3rd and 4th photos and 1st photo where it comes up from Lintmens. 

[RANYC]

On 10/5/2022 at 3:38 PM, CLT Development said:

Nothing public as of this time but no they won't keep the building, there will be a new YMCA integrated, plus a grocery store, 300-400 apartments, commercial space and a small park. 

Thanks I was coming here to post this!

Is that massive tree in front of the Y getting chopped down?

[Desert Power]

Where are the Pass and the Annex? I don't recognize from the pictures.

[JRCLT]

Where are the Pass and the Annex? I don't recognize from the pictures.

By sugar creek station

[KJHburg]

10 hours ago, Desert Power said:

Where are the Pass and the Annex? I don't recognize from the pictures.

https://www.foundrycommercial.com/story-room/news/third-urban-partners-reveal-new-brand-for-the-pass-in-charlottes-noda-neighborhood.stml

https://charlotte.axios.com/295442/new-renderings-adaptive-reuse-project-called-the-pass-coming-to-noda/

[Reverie39]

On 10/8/2022 at 4:31 PM, KJHburg said:

walking around NoDa today and those new Camden NoDa apartments look fantastic!  Saw the new Avery Hall apartments with grocery store at 36th and N Tryon rising.  New apartments going up next to Amaze.    The Pass at Sugar Creek station looks good.  This walking group had no consensus on what to call the Sugar Creek station area.  Some developers are just called it NoDa.   But I think it is should be called something else.  Maybe Sugaw or maybe even Sugearee after the Native Americans who once encamped there. 

see this commentary and discussion on the name   https://www.cmstory.org/exhibits/hornets-nest-appendix/sugar-creek-or-sugaw-creek

anyway from South NoDa (Camden apartments) to the north end of NoDa (Sugaw, Sugarcreek, Sugeree, North NoDa) whatever you call it is BOOMING! 

Sections of the XCLT trail will go through this area and actually it is being built by the Camden NoDa apartments it is the 2nd wide sidewalk parallel to the other smaller one. There will be a Dutch style intersection at N Davidson and Jordan Place.  (evidently it is a bicycle friendly intersection type used in the Netherlands)   Notice the XCLT in the 3rd and 4th photos and 1st photo where it comes up from Lintmens. 

Would really like to see this area become the next South End. Like at what point do we start seeing some offices and high-rises too?

Random minor thought: would there be some use in renaming Lynx stations around here? Like the 36th street station could just be North Davidson station, no? Would be a lot more recognizable especially since the NoDa name is gaining fame.

[kermit]

55 minutes ago, Reverie39 said:

Would really like to see this area become the next South End. Like at what point do we start seeing some offices and high-rises too?

There is a bunch of office space being built in Southend now. My gut says that developers are waiting to see how that is absorbed before moving onto NoDa.

I will say that much of the rationale for Southend office expansion is the availability of amenities (lunch spots, bars, etc). While NoDa has that, it is not at the same level as Southend. So I think that will need to come before much office arrives. (as an aside, I have been kinda disappointed with food quality at Optimist Hall for a while, but I may be choosing badly).

[KJHburg]

Office space will come eventually but I think it will be smaller in size.  Optimist Hall and Chadborn Mill and a little bit next to the 36th apartments Novel built.   However a big test will be the new Optimist Hall tower and the new Grubb 5 story office building next to their new apartments.   Office follows rooftops but there is a lag.  Plus a lot more competition of office space in cool spaces too like Camp Northend, FreeMoreWest not to mention the larger Southend market. 

[Hushpuppy321]

I agree with @KJHburgthat if office does come to NODA it’ll be much smaller in scale/boutique than what’s under construction now in SouthEnd.  NODA residents would absolutely fight any High Rise Tower in NoDa.  It’s hard enough to get 5 to 7 story apartments built much less taller office.   I for one wouldn’t mind NoDa proper remaining a dense walkable Midrise Neighborhood.  I’d rather see 8 to 10+ Story (Or taller) Commercial construction proliferation in Optimist Park & Plaza Midwood than NoDa.  Views would be better there than NoDa.  Hoping for some Highrise eventually to seep into certain portions of University City too.
 

Anyway - what’s being built here?  Brevard & Charles St.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Hushpuppy321

[tozmervo]

On 10/13/2022 at 3:47 PM, Hushpuppy321 said:

I agree with @KJHburgthat if office does come to NODA it’ll be much smaller in scale/boutique than what’s under construction now in SouthEnd.  NODA residents would absolutely fight any High Rise Tower in NoDa.  It’s hard enough to get 5 to 7 story apartments built much less taller office.   I for one wouldn’t mind NoDa proper remaining a dense walkable Midrise Neighborhood.  I’d rather see 8 to 10+ Story (Or taller) Commercial construction proliferation in Optimist Park & Plaza Midwood than NoDa.  Views would be better there than NoDa.  Hoping for some Highrise eventually to seep into certain portions of University City too.

Based on my experience, Noda residents would fight a new trash can. 

[Desert Power]

Wish the initial ~15 story version of The Mercury had been built  

[SydneyCarton]

[Reverie39]

So is this saying that there will be a lot of development north of 36th street station too? That area is very empty and I always found it odd considering it's right next to bustling Noda and now has a light rail stop too. It's mainly just dusty fields and run-down industrial buildings on Google Earth.