Aporkalypse Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 As much of a waste of time it is to reply to this line of unproductive and unsubstantial commentary I would like you to please cut & paste any negative comments I've made about Fayetteville in this thread. How can you say I've overstated Benton County's assets when I haven't even come close to covering all of the new developments in Benton County? If anything I've understated Benton County. Just admit that the facts I posted about there being more wealth and more money being spent in Bentonville and Rogers than Fayetteville hurt your feelings. I have always been unbiased in my posting and I have posted some very good facts about Fayetteville which you seem to have either ignored or have forgotten. When I post some great stuff about Fayetteville you say nothing in reply so why do you decide to "retaliate" when I have some great things to say about Benton County? Why would it hurt my feelings? I'm not from Fayetteville and have never lived there. I have much stronger connections with Benton Co where my brother, sister, mother, and grandparents live and I've visited frequently all of my life. I'm sorry, there's just not that much in Benton Co I can't find in any metro of more than a quarter million in my eyes. I think Fayetteville is attractive and more unique and adds some culture and soul to an otherwise kind of drab area. Even the newer developments in Fayetteville, things like the Three Sisters, have some imagination and are less vanilla than what we see in the developments North of there. I think Benton Co is making mistakes with haphazard development and down the road it's going to cost them. Then again, I am on an urban forum rather than a suburban one and different things seem to impress me than what impresses you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masons_dad1 Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Why would it hurt my feelings? I'm not from Fayetteville and have never lived there. I have much stronger connections with Benton Co where my brother, sister, mother, and grandparents live and I've visited frequently all of my life. I'm sorry, there's just not that much in Benton Co I can't find in any metro of more than a quarter million in my eyes. I think Fayetteville is attractive and more unique and adds some culture and soul to an otherwise kind of drab area. Even the newer developments in Fayetteville, things like the Three Sisters, have some imagination and are less vanilla than what we see in the developments North of there. I think Benton Co is making mistakes with haphazard development and down the road it's going to cost them. Then again, I am on an urban forum rather than a suburban one and different things seem to impress me than what impresses you. I can see how people who live in big metros come here and leave unimpressed... I guess it takes living here to realize just how great this metro is and how much greater it's getting each year. Fayetteville does have a more artistic flair to developments like the Three Sisters and some of the planned developments like Park West. Although homes being built in Benton County are as archtecturally artistic as any in NWA. Benton County is also getting some unique architecture like the Shoppes at Pinnacle Hills and Park Central in Rogers. I believe Crystal Bridges will set new records to unique architecture in NWA. I also find Historic Downtown Rogers to be unequalled in historic architecture in the metro which is why it's always one of the best Downtowns on Arkansas' Mainstreet program. In Rogers, unlike many downtowns, you won't find new modern buildings mixed in with the historic buildings. Northwest Arkansas won't face any greater challenges than any other metro that is growing as fast of which there aren't many. I would rather be here where the growth is new rather than just remodelled like in many larger metros. In a few short years many of the problems with roads and sprawl will be corrected then NWA will be the envy of the nation. It's already the envy of many... minus a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbfl85 Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 In a few short years many of the problems with roads and sprawl will be corrected then NWA will be the envy of the nation. How do they plan on controlling sprawl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aporkalypse Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 How do they plan on controlling sprawl? Sprawl, I find, is a very difficult thing to correct once it exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masons_dad1 Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 How do they plan on controlling sprawl? Sprawl, I find, is a very difficult thing to correct once it exists. Sprawl really doesn't exist in Northwest Arkansas. The urbanized area of NWA is only a corridor about 6 miles wide and about 30 miles long. It's not like a city like Dallas that's over 50 miles wide in all directions. Bentonville has a very detailed master plan that was actually developed by a new urbanism team. Bentonville's plan is to create a dense downtown area that will draw in developments to prevent sprawl. Here are some sample graphics from the Bentonville Master Plan: The Master Plan Commercial District Multi-story Mixed-Use Multi-story Mixed-Use You can check out the Bentonville Master Plan here. Rogers is not doing as well with controlling sprawl because everyone wants to develop around Beaver Lake which is several miles from the main commercial areas of downtown and Pinnacle Hills. But if residents keep opposing Beaver Lake developments it shouldn't be an issue. Pinnacle Hills is actually driving business away from downtown which is good and bad. Good that it will keep downtown Rogers in it's current "historic" state. Bad that it creates sprawl even if on a smaller scale. The fact that most development in Northwest Arkansas is happening along the I-540 corridor will actually help prevent sprawl as there are no other major arteries other than Hwy 412 in Springdale. The only problem with I-540 is that it'll make it harder for downtown areas to draw in commercial development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickSonstreetDFW Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 ^^Thats nice. All good intentions aside, the only thing that will prevent sprawl in NWA is regulation of development. Thats a very touchy subject. Unless the cities actually regulate development like Fayetteville seems intent on, developers will always be moving out to the next cheapest parcel to build a subdivision. I believe that there will always be another municipality (Springdale, for the time being) willing to sacrifice any notions of true urban density on the alter of growth at all costs. There are simply too many egos involved and too many taxes to be collected to prevent it. And even Fayetteville, with all of its urban good intentions, cannot fully control what is done in the rest of Washington County, unless it wants to annex it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mith242 Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 ^^Thats nice. All good intentions aside, the only thing that will prevent sprawl in NWA is regulation of development. Thats a very touchy subject. Unless the cities actually regulate development like Fayetteville seems intent on, developers will always be moving out to the next cheapest parcel to build a subdivision. I believe that there will always be another municipality (Springdale, for the time being) willing to sacrifice any notions of true urban density on the alter of growth at all costs. There are simply too many egos involved and too many taxes to be collected to prevent it. And even Fayetteville, with all of its urban good intentions, cannot fully control what is done in the rest of Washington County, unless it wants to annex it all. Yeah you have to have incentives or reasons for developers to not build on the outskirts of the area. You're going to have more available land and it will be cheaper on the outskirts. One of the people at the 2025 City Plan meetings here in Fayetteville suggested having variable impact fees. Make impact fees cheaper closer to the city core and more expensive the further out you go as one way. That and another thing that helps is to annex land and have the city leaders make sure developers have projects that are more beneficial to the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2462 Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 NWA is not a metro of a quarter millioin...it's over 400,000 now..closer to a half a million than a quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strmchsr77 Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I thought this topic was about restaurants??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mith242 Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I thought this topic was about restaurants??? You know us, never staying on topic very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masons_dad1 Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Church's in Rogers is now built. It's in front of the Super Mercado (Harp's) on 13th Street and Walnut. Not open yet but they're hiring if anyone is looking for a great opportunity to make minimum wage and eat all the chicken your heart desires... or can take before it fails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mith242 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Church's in Rogers is now built. It's in front of the Super Mercado (Harp's) on 13th Street and Walnut. Not open yet but they're hiring if anyone is looking for a great opportunity to make minimum wage and eat all the chicken your heart desires... or can take before it fails. Thanks for the update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2462 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 TGI Friday's franchise owner says he is looking at Rogers, Bentonville, and "other areas" for more possible stores. He says he wanted to get the Fayetteville location up and going and feed off of that for about 6 months before building more. They are in the process of finding land for other possible locations. I think he needs to come build more down here in Little Rock. We still only have the one in Lakewood Village in NLR. You'd think Little Rock would have a location. Chili's is the one that's really expanding down here. There were just 2, one in LR, one in NLR. Now, in addition to those, we have loacations in Conway, Jacksonville, Hot Springs, Pine Bluff, and still others on the way in West Little Rock, Benton, and Searcy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mith242 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 TGI Friday's franchise owner says he is looking at Rogers, Bentonville, and "other areas" for more possible stores. He says he wanted to get the Fayetteville location up and going and feed off of that for about 6 months before building more. They are in the process of finding land for other possible locations. I think he needs to come build more down here in Little Rock. We still only have the one in Lakewood Village in NLR. You'd think Little Rock would have a location. Chili's is the one that's really expanding down here. There were just 2, one in LR, one in NLR. Now, in addition to those, we have loacations in Conway, Jacksonville, Hot Springs, Pine Bluff, and still others on the way in West Little Rock, Benton, and Searcy. Yeah I am a bit surprised they haven't made more of a move here in Arkansas. A Benton County location and a couple more around Little Rock seem feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbfl85 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 If it makes you feel any better there are only 2 in Mississsippi, 3 in Alabama, and NONE in Louisiana! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickSonstreetDFW Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 If it makes you feel any better there are only 2 in Mississsippi, 3 in Alabama, and NONE in Louisiana! I don't care if there is another TGIFridays built, anywhere, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aporkalypse Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 I don't care if there is another TGIFridays built, anywhere, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2462 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 I don't care if there is another TGIFridays built, anywhere, ever. Some of us aren't against chains like others. If it weren't for chains like that, NWA wouldn't be what it is now. Chains are what people look for. You same people say you can't wait until upscale chain retail stores come in to add to the appeal of the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skirby Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Yeah I am a bit surprised they haven't made more of a move here in Arkansas. A Benton County location and a couple more around Little Rock seem feasible. At one time there was a TGI Fridys in LR. It was located on 3rd, the building is still there. They wanted to open their windows up during the summer but the city would not let them. It was against the law at that time to have so-called outdoor dinning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masons_dad1 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I don't care if there is another TGIFridays built, anywhere, ever. I'm beginning to agree with you to a point. There are plenty of opportunities for mom & pop operations to open bar/restaurants like Hog Haus Brewery on Dickson. I'm not much of a drinker but I want to check that place out. I will never take my family into a TGIFridays or any other chain bar/restaurants unless it has some local character. I'm not totally against chains moving to the area but I hate to see local merchants suffering because of them. Imagine them opening a Books-A-Million store next door to Dickson Street Bookshop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aporkalypse Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 At one time there was a TGI Fridys in LR. It was located on 3rd, the building is still there. They wanted to open their windows up during the summer but the city would not let them. It was against the law at that time to have so-called outdoor dinning. Cotham's is in the building now and doing very, very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickSonstreetDFW Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 (edited) You same people say you can't wait until upscale chain retail stores come in to add to the appeal of the area. No we don't. Edited March 28, 2006 by DickSonstreetDFW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcheiss Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 ^ Some of us do Tim, like me. I support both Chains and Local Restaurants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2462 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 ^ Some of us do Tim, like me. I support both Chains and Local Restaurants. It doesn't make sense to me why some people are so against chains. All chains were once local stores. They just expanded. Any local store that is successful will branch out and become a chain. We are already seeing several local stores in NWA that have become chains. Wal-mart was once a mom & pop store. Now it's a huge chain store. I wouldn't live in a town without a wal-mart. If it weren't for chain stores, NWA's population wouldn't be growing at all. Not to mention the fact that there wouldn't be enough local stores to go around. It's nice to have both local and chain stores. But to curse all chain stores just because they are "chain" is rediculous. Without them, we'd be in bad shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcheiss Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 ^ We also wouldn't be much of a community without chains. People would gaulk and say, you don't have a mcdonalds, or a walmart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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