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On 3/9/2016 at 4:28 AM, vdogg said:

The pilot made a pretty inflammatory post about people who want light rail on their Facebook page.  Let's just say,  they did not choose their audience wisely.  :lol: People are absolutely tearing them up. This is good to see, light rail may have more support than I thought.  At the very least,  their comment and Kerry's article seems to have backfired.

For fun, I added one of those inflammatory posts, she sounds like a complete moron that has probably never experienced a light rail system in her life. We have some people like that here in Portland, but good thing they are very much the minority here and no one listens to them.

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The Norfolk line Is a 7 mile starter line that does not go between population centers or major places of employment. The article you are referring to was biased and totally misrepresented the findings

I forgot about that...the total was estimated at $240M, and VB only had to put up the amount you said, since the state was supplying a huge chunk of about 155M. Ugh...I just got irritated all ove

New VB Tourism slogan.......   "Come visit Virginia Beach where you can take a bus to our border, then get on a train to visit a real city. But, hey, we just got another grocery store."

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So apparently there's a discrepancy about how many petition votes are necessary for a referendum. Considering quite a few people have reported the Anti-LRT folks are pulling shady stunts to trick them into voting, I wish that would be investigated as well.

http://wtkr.com/2016/05/02/dispute-over-how-many-signatures-needed-on-virginia-beach-light-rail-petition/

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I was in Town Center last night having some dinner with friends, and the consensus among the group was "Man, I wish they would finish the light rail. We'd go to Norfolk so much more often if we didn't have to drive there and could just hop on a train." Not a single dissenter. Or maybe it was all because they were those stuck up, live-in-mom's-basement millennial military types who want a free ride. :rofl:

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5 hours ago, Nathan_in_DC said:

I was in Town Center last night having some dinner with friends, and the consensus among the group was "Man, I wish they would finish the light rail. We'd go to Norfolk so much more often if we didn't have to drive there and could just hop on a train." Not a single dissenter. Or maybe it was all because they were those stuck up, live-in-mom's-basement millennial military types who want a free ride. :rofl:

Yeah it's definitely feeling like things are changing around here for the better IMO! I actually rode the Tide for fun yesterday morning from Newtown and I was happy to see a few people getting on at every stop! It's a no brainer that if they expand thru TC to the Oceanfront the ridership would break 10K a day on average especially during the warm tourist months. I truly believe that we are set up so well for medium density TODs at a lot of the current and future stations. It would be nice to get the Navy Base line and the Town Center line up and running by 2020/21 and hopefully start to the Arena/ Oceanfront by then. Its weird to me that they wouldnt be in a hurry to get to the Oceanfront... unless the arena project isnt realistically going to be built anytime soon.  

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11 hours ago, varider said:

Yeah it's definitely feeling like things are changing around here for the better IMO! I actually rode the Tide for fun yesterday morning from Newtown and I was happy to see a few people getting on at every stop! It's a no brainer that if they expand thru TC to the Oceanfront the ridership would break 10K a day on average especially during the warm tourist months. I truly believe that we are set up so well for medium density TODs at a lot of the current and future stations. It would be nice to get the Navy Base line and the Town Center line up and running by 2020/21 and hopefully start to the Arena/ Oceanfront by then. Its weird to me that they wouldnt be in a hurry to get to the Oceanfront... unless the arena project isnt realistically going to be built anytime soon.  

I think your last sentence hits the nail on the head. I don't see the arena as viable and would be stunned if this proposal got off the ground. That said, I do wish they would just rip off the band-aid and extend the LR to the Oceanfront anyway (past the convention center and possible arena in the distant future). The longer the city waits, the more the light rail is going to cost. 

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Hampton Roads Transit has decided to purchase three light rail cars for the proposed Virginia Beach extension rather than four, according to documents scheduled for review at an agency meeting Thursday.

http://southsidedaily.com/2016/05/11/after-costs-come-in-virginia-beach-light-rail-extension-to-get-three-vehicles-instead-of-four/

 

The proposed price for the three cars is between $19-21M.

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That article states that the VA Beach city council isn't scheduled to vote on construction of the extension until mid-2017. I admittedly have not been following the light rail extension as closely as I could have been, but is it just me or does that date keep getting pushed further and further back?

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HRT hosted a forum at the Westin, where experts from across the country helped address LRT myths that people had in their cities (Denver, Phoenix, Charlotte, Minneapolis). 

http://pilotonline.com/news/local/transportation/transit-expert-explores-myths-and-misinformation-about-virginia-beach-light/article_7339d9a6-04e2-5888-9033-a8502c4221b7.html

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That's a lot of money for doing little to nothing....buying the land etc, but the 50 studies of the same thing over and over again is just stupid.....they need to either commit or just back off completely....dragging their feet is what keeps costing millions in BS surveys

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I've moved out of TC and most likely will be staying in my suburban wonderland, and I still say build it to the beach!!!!! The city, and the region as a whole cannot move forward if we do not get off our collective rears and do projects like this. No, it won't reduce tons of traffic, no it won't save money, but it will give us a more modern up to date feel. A better option on how we would like to travel between cities, and one that can and will build a nice mini urban district along its corridor.

I may live in VB but work in Norfolk, and would love to be able to catch the Tide close to where I live and ride 20-30 min to downtown without having to fight all that stupid traffic. Just sit back and relax.

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HRT has released a really cool video detailing the proposed route for the extension to Town Center. Some portions will be elevated.

(Apparently it's been removed. If it comes back, I'll try to post it.)

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That's really good news, esp. since the city only has to pay about 1/3, with the state kicking in the rest. Crossing my fingers that this pans out. 

If/when this goes through, hopefully it sparks development across Independence Blvd., into the Kellam Rd. area. That way Town Center becomes more like a "downtown". 

Would love to see BRT also become part of this.

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5 hours ago, BFG said:

That's really good news, esp. since the city only has to pay about 1/3, with the state kicking in the rest. Crossing my fingers that this pans out. 

If/when this goes through, hopefully it sparks development across Independence Blvd., into the Kellam Rd. area. That way Town Center becomes more like a "downtown". 

Would love to see BRT also become part of this.

Hopefully council members like John $1 is too much" Moss don't get too much additional influence. But if they haven't been able to shoot it down completely already, I don't see why it would be a problem now that we now have estimates coming in $80 million less than expected. The new OOP estimate to VB is less than half what was expected.

If it doesn't get done now, it never will. I really hope the people in charge don't screw this up. Frankly though, I don't think they will. Light rail will EASILY pass again on the ballot (my prediction is that it will pass by an even wider margin than it did 4 years ago and make the morons against it look like fools for stamping their feet so long). It's just too bad that it won't be expanded any further for now.

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Light-rail detractors dismissed the latest numbers. Virginia Beach Councilman Bobby Dyer said he doesn’t care what the cost is; he thinks light-rail technology is obsolete.

“I don’t care if this is going to cost us $1,” he said. “I don’t want this thing coming to Virginia Beach.”

There are simply no words for this stupidity...<_<

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1 hour ago, HRVT said:

If it doesn't get done now, it never will. I really hope the people in charge don't screw this up. Frankly though, I don't think they will. Light rail will EASILY pass again on the ballot (my prediction is that it will pass by an even wider margin than it did 4 years ago and make the morons against it look like fools for stamping their feet so long). It's just too bad that it won't be expanded any further for now.

I'd love to see this. I don't think I've met anyone in real life who is firmly against light rail. Honestly, I could see it passing by a higher margin, mainly by people tired of council dragging this out. Imagine if they had started building a year or two ago...

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