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This is very true, however I've seen past posts get railroaded into something COMPLETELY off topic. I am interested to see what impact the proposed Utopia project has on Bradley though. I think the air service will be split 50/50 between Bradley and Providence....Bradley because it already has more flights, but Providence because it's closer.

How much closer is Green than Bradley to Preston? I think it will be close but BDL should get a higher volume due to the fact that the development is in CT and Utopia will most likely steer visitors towards using BDL since its a CT State Airport. I would assume that they will market pretty heavily in both airports though and both airports will begin to market their proximity to Utopia. Green will probably be more effective at this since it seems like thier marketing efforts overall are far better than Bradley's.

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How much closer is Green than Bradley to Preston? I think it will be close but BDL should get a higher volume due to the fact that the development is in CT and Utopia will most likely steer visitors towards using BDL since its a CT State Airport. I would assume that they will market pretty heavily in both airports though and both airports will begin to market their proximity to Utopia. Green will probably be more effective at this since it seems like thier marketing efforts overall are far better than Bradley's.

I believe Providence is something like 20 miles closer, plus you dont have to drive through a city to get there. Roughly 60-75% of the charter flights (larger aircraft) currently use Providence. Most coporate traffic will use New London.

I wouldnt be suprised if when the Intermodal facility opens at Providence in a couple years (Train/bus station at the airport) if they have busses running to the casinos.

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I wouldnt be suprised if when the Intermodal facility opens at Providence in a couple years (Train/bus station at the airport) if they have busses running to the casinos.

There's vague talk of extending Shore Line East service to T.F. Green. In that case, you could take a train to New London, then transfer to a bus to the Casinos/Utopia, or better yet, they'll have some sort of train running from New London north.

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There's vague talk of extending Shore Line East service to T.F. Green. In that case, you could take a train to New London, then transfer to a bus to the Casinos/Utopia, or better yet, they'll have some sort of train running from New London north.

They're actually studying the feasability of a New London Worchester Commuter rail link so it may be a reality. They are also discussing running commuter service from SE CT to Bradley Airport as well. We can't let Green take all of our CT tourists now can we?

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They're actually studying the feasability of a New London Worchester Commuter rail link so it may be a reality. They are also discussing running commuter service from SE CT to Bradley Airport as well. We can't let Green take all of our CT tourists now can we?

The Green airport intermodal facility should be open for business in about 2 years, any other alternatives would likely be 5+ years away. Green will likely see more of the casino traffic due to where the airports were developed LONG before the casinos were ever there. I between 10-15% of Green's traffic comes from eastern CT, but you cant complain too much since Hartford takes most of Western Mass. State lines mean nothing in terms of airport service boundries.

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I'd be rip shi* if this Utopia proposal gets Providence International service instead of Hartford. :angry:

I would not be surprised to see the Pequots try to put an airport in on their property if Utopia is as big as they say it'll be. I would welcome it. What major destinations are there without an airport close by?

As for Green Airport, it's surrounded by a residential neighborhood and they're having a lot of trouble extending a runway for cross country flights. I wouldn't be worried about them getting International flights for a while.

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I would not be surprised to see the Pequots try to put an airport in on their property if Utopia is as big as they say it'll be. I would welcome it. What major destinations are there without an airport close by?

As for Green Airport, it's surrounded by a residential neighborhood and they're having a lot of trouble extending a runway for cross country flights. I wouldn't be worried about them getting International flights for a while.

I dont think Utopia would add International flights to either airport.

Providence already has translantic International flights, It is weekly service May through September on SATA Airlines on an Airbus A310 It goes from Providence to the Azores Islands continuing to Lisbon. They extended the season this year, and next year may see twice weekly flights. There is abig push to promote tourism to the Azores Islands so they can increase service.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=304257

Scheduled carribean service may occur by years end as well, liek hartford, they already ahve INTL charters.

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I dont think Utopia would add International flights to either airport.

Providence already has translantic International flights, It is weekly service May through September on SATA Airlines on an Airbus A310 It goes from Providence to the Azores Islands continuing to Lisbon. They extended the season this year, and next year may see twice weekly flights. There is abig push to promote tourism to the Azores Islands so they can increase service.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=304257

Scheduled carribean service may occur by years end as well, liek hartford, they already ahve INTL charters.

Hypothetically, the people in charge of Utopia said that there will be an estimated 100,000 visitors on 4 premium days of the year and then an average of 74,000 200+ more days....that equals to more than 15 million visitors a year. Now, many of those visitors will be driving, but a great deal will be flying....who knows if they'll be from Europe. The guy in charge says they'll be a contender with Disney World....if that's the case anything is possible.

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This conversation reminded me of a Bill Stanley article from the Norwich Bulletin. As a state legislator, he proposed building a large airport in Ledyard that would have primarily served industrial interests. This whole Utopia deal would have benefitted from this already in place. Having said all that, if someone (Pequots are the best choice due to their sovereignty) built an airport, they could attract the likes of UPS and FedEx to the area to supplement the passenger traffic.

http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.d...348/1048/NEWS01

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This conversation reminded me of a Bill Stanley article from the Norwich Bulletin. As a state legislator, he proposed building a large airport in Ledyard that would have primarily served industrial interests. This whole Utopia deal would have benefitted from this already in place. Having said all that, if someone (Pequots are the best choice due to their sovereignty) built an airport, they could attract the likes of UPS and FedEx to the area to supplement the passenger traffic.

http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.d...348/1048/NEWS01

I remember back in the 70s they wanted to build an Hartford/Providence International Airport in (I believe Putnam), but Promfet (who just lost their rail service a few years before) and a few other towns OPPOSED it so it wasn't built.

IIRC, I believe it would have a freight cargo terminal, a US passenger terminal and an INTERNATIONAL TERMINAL. Just think of what it would have bought to Connecticut? In the early 70s the Mills of Connecticut were still open along with defense, silverware and hardware. If we had that -- I bet eastern CT would be different.

Just think of cargo being handled by the P&W or the NEC (or the NewHaven) with passenger trains from Hartford and Providence (maybe AMTRAK or maybe even the New Haven) and Worcester, too. I'd bet if the airport was there some of the RAIL-Trails in Connecticut (or the planned trail from Manchester to Willimantic) would still be a railroad.

Again, a victim of NIMBYism of Connecticut.

JimS

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Hypothetically, the people in charge of Utopia said that there will be an estimated 100,000 visitors on 4 premium days of the year and then an average of 74,000 200+ more days....that equals to more than 15 million visitors a year. Now, many of those visitors will be driving, but a great deal will be flying....who knows if they'll be from Europe. The guy in charge says they'll be a contender with Disney World....if that's the case anything is possible.

Bradley should try to work a deal with UTOPIA as being the offical airport of them. Orlando's was an old Air force base when Disney came in, but now it is a MODERN AIRPORT that grew from 4 airlines (2 commuters, Eastern and PanAm) to 30 airlines. The Griffin line -- or the Windsor Locks line -- could be the start of the passenger trains.

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Bradley should try to work a deal with UTOPIA as being the offical airport of them. Orlando's was an old Air force base when Disney came in, but now it is a MODERN AIRPORT that grew from 4 airlines (2 commuters, Eastern and PanAm) to 30 airlines. The Griffin line -- or the Windsor Locks line -- could be the start of the passenger trains.

You cant really have an "offical airport", LaGuardia is not the "Offical Airport of NYC", many people use Newark because its more convenient. The reason why Orlando grew so much is that it is 10 minutes from the theme park. Bradely will be over an hour away, sometimes more depnding on the time of day with traffic. That combined with the fact that most visitos would likely be driving, or on a day trip as part of a NYC or Boston vacation, much like Newport or the current casinos are.

The only noticable increase in aviation demand would be in the form of increased business jet traffic at New London's airport.

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You cant really have an "offical airport", LaGuardia is not the "Offical Airport of NYC", many people use Newark because its more convenient. The reason why Orlando grew so much is that it is 10 minutes from the theme park. Bradely will be over an hour away, sometimes more depnding on the time of day with traffic. That combined with the fact that most visitos would likely be driving, or on a day trip as part of a NYC or Boston vacation, much like Newport or the current casinos are.

The only noticable increase in aviation demand would be in the form of increased business jet traffic at New London's airport.

This is definately true. The only real increase may be the private jets flown into New London by the Hollywood types and business people. Most other visitors will be driving in, just like the casinos now. I do think that if this is built correctly and the state takes advantage the right way, the energy can be harnessed and some of that could mean increased tourism and convention booking in the Hartford area due it's proximity to the tourist areas of SE CT. That is where the increase would be felt at Bradley, but still most will drive. We are blessed by being within easy driving distance of 1/3 of the nation. It's really nothing to complain about.

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I remember back in the 70s they wanted to build an Hartford/Providence International Airport in (I believe Putnam), but Promfet (who just lost their rail service a few years before) and a few other towns OPPOSED it so it wasn't built.

IIRC, I believe it would have a freight cargo terminal, a US passenger terminal and an INTERNATIONAL TERMINAL. Just think of what it would have bought to Connecticut? In the early 70s the Mills of Connecticut were still open along with defense, silverware and hardware. If we had that -- I bet eastern CT would be different.

Just think of cargo being handled by the P&W or the NEC (or the NewHaven) with passenger trains from Hartford and Providence (maybe AMTRAK or maybe even the New Haven) and Worcester, too. I'd bet if the airport was there some of the RAIL-Trails in Connecticut (or the planned trail from Manchester to Willimantic) would still be a railroad.

Again, a victim of NIMBYism of Connecticut.

JimS

are there any renderings?

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American published their fall schedule (9/6/05) and will be reducing their capacity on the BDL-Chicago (ORD) route by 50% They are replacing the mainline jets with smaller 50 seat regional jet aircraft. Going from 4 MD80 aircraft to 6 Regional Jets (ERJ) loss of 300 daily seats.

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Dumb dumb dumb. American was always a strong player at BDL, now Untied will have that market in its back pocket along with Southwest. At least AA stays mainline to Miami, Dallas, and San Juan.

Dumb dumb dumb. American was always a strong player at BDL, now Untied will have that market in its back pocket along with Southwest. At least AA stays mainline to Miami, Dallas, and San Juan.

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United uses a good mix of 757/A320's on the Chicago route now. As for small jets, I know that I don't want to be on a small regional jet for 2+ hours. It is bad enough to be on one for 1 hour. AA is really going to hurt itself in Hartford. It has always had a good presence here and there is a strong frequent flyer base that I am sure will be going to other airlines now. The Chicago-Hartford market has a strong pax per day market. All those top Frequent flyers don't want to sit in a small coach seat for 2 hours, now they will upgrade with united so they can sit in first.

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United uses a good mix of 757/A320's on the Chicago route now. As for small jets, I know that I don't want to be on a small regional jet for 2+ hours. It is bad enough to be on one for 1 hour. AA is really going to hurt itself in Hartford. It has always had a good presence here and there is a strong frequent flyer base that I am sure will be going to other airlines now. The Chicago-Hartford market has a strong pax per day market. All those top Frequent flyers don't want to sit in a small coach seat for 2 hours, now they will upgrade with united so they can sit in first.

American is being pretty freakin stupid....I think the gas prices are causing dane bramage....lol

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You flew on a ERJ 140 made by Embraer out of Brazil. Nice little jets, however not for a 2.5 hour flight. Another market in which AA used to have 4 daily mainline flights on MD80's. Only flights I can tolerate Regional jets are the ones less than 1 hour. The CRJ's by Canadair are by far the worst in comfort.

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