Rogers, Arkansas

[Aporkalypse]

Killed? The detective was shot.

I didn't realize he lived. How is he doing?

[mcheiss]

I didn't realize he lived. How is he doing?

Last I heard he was doing fine. The bullet hit him somewhere in the leg and didn't hit any major arteries or veins.

[mcheiss]

Are the police positive that it was an illegal immigrant who was the trigger man?

Yes, it was a woman. She's being held for U.S. Customs I believe.

Honestly, this anti-illegal immigration thing is not a good idea. Not only could it harm the economy, but it's going to give Rogers a bad rap. Not to mention that other cities in NWA could do this. I don't agree with it one bit.

[cocothief]

Yes, it was a woman. She's being held for U.S. Customs I believe.

Honestly, this anti-illegal immigration thing is not a good idea. Not only could it harm the economy, but it's going to give Rogers a bad rap. Not to mention that other cities in NWA could do this. I don't agree with it one bit.

I disagree.

Illegal immigration enriches the rich and powerful and costs the rest of us billions every single year.

Since when do we selectively enforce our laws?

Oh, since it enriches powerful lobbyists.

Primarily Latino illegal aliens have been detrimental to the quality of life in NWA.

Its not politically correct to state, but it is a fact.

[fooman03]

The woman was not the trigger man. Another officer was holding the gun, he had his gun drawn and was ready just in case the worst happened. The woman grabbed his arm, he yanked the trigger. Basically she touched him and he freaked out and shot a fellow officer.

[das450]

The officer who was shot was hit in his femoral artery and lost alot of blood but due to the other officers helping him apply pressure he will live.

It was a dangerous situation and he didn't freak out. Try putting yourself in his shoes.

The woman was not the trigger man. Another officer was holding the gun, he had his gun drawn and was ready just in case the worst happened. The woman grabbed his arm, he yanked the trigger. Basically she touched him and he freaked out and shot a fellow officer.

[masons_dad1]

I hadn't thought about it but you're probably right. There is a bit of urban decay and an increase in crime in Rogers that probably bothers him when otherwise the city has good things happening in just about every sense. Pushing the immigrants out to Springdale would solve a lot of Rogers' problems, I guess.

Urban decay? Where? I know there are some low income apartments that have illegals, but honestly they don't come close to urban decay. I'd like to know just where this urban decay is hiding in such a small town.

[fooman03]

The officer who was shot was hit in his femoral artery and lost alot of blood but due to the other officers helping him apply pressure he will live.

It was a dangerous situation and he didn't freak out. Try putting yourself in his shoes.

I didnt mean for it to sound like that, but accidents like that shouldnt happen. LEO's are trained just for specific situations like that so that something of that nature does not happen.

[masons_dad1]

I didnt mean for it to sound like that, but accidents like that shouldnt happen. LEO's are trained just for specific situations like that so that something of that nature does not happen.

Yeah and the officer who shot and killed that mentally challenged young man was a seasoned veteran also. Behind closed doors the prime directive is "shoot first, ask questions later." It's not an accident when you're trained to shoot someone and you do a helluva job of it, except for the minor fact that you're shooting the wrong person.

[Mith242]

Okay I'm going to finally respond to all of this. First of all just a reminder but this wasn't a crime free utopia before Hispanics started coming here. No offense but it seems to me that in general white people seem to have selective amnesia when it comes to this kind of stuff. All the crimes commited by white people seem to be forgotten about and all that's ever remembered is everything that's done by minorities. That hit and run that was discussed in the news recently here in Fayetteville was someone white, last time I checked all the numerous meth labs are almost always white people as well. Hey maybe we should kick all the white people too while we're at it. Sorry but there's plenty of white trash around so I'm not ready to start blaming everything on Hispanics. I hate to say it but as NWA grows more crime is inevitable. Larger urban areas attract more crimes. As far as the police go, yeah there's been some mistakes made for certain. Unfortunately police are people too and make mistakes. I'm not buying that's there's any 'shoot first ask questions later' directive. I admit if I was in a heated situation like that I could see myself making the same mistake. Granted I'm not a trained officer. Maybe this is more a sign me need to pay more for this profession to get better trained people.

Sorry for the rant but I guess I just don't seeing all of these issues being quite so 'black and white' as some do. Anyway just another perspective to throw out there.

[cocothief]

Okay I'm going to finally respond to all of this. First of all just a reminder but this wasn't a crime free utopia before Hispanics started coming here. No offense but it seems to me that in general white people seem to have selective amnesia when it comes to this kind of stuff. All the crimes commited by white people seem to be forgotten about and all that's ever remembered is everything that's done by minorities. That hit and run that was discussed in the news recently here in Fayetteville was someone white, last time I checked all the numerous meth labs are almost always white people as well. Hey maybe we should kick all the white people too while we're at it. Sorry but there's plenty of white trash around so I'm not ready to start blaming everything on Hispanics. I hate to say it but as NWA grows more crime is inevitable. Larger urban areas attract more crimes. As far as the police go, yeah there's been some mistakes made for certain. Unfortunately police are people too and make mistakes. I'm not buying that's there's any 'shoot first ask questions later' directive. I admit if I was in a heated situation like that I could see myself making the same mistake. Granted I'm not a trained officer. Maybe this is more a sign me need to pay more for this profession to get better trained people.

Sorry for the rant but I guess I just don't seeing all of these issues being quite so 'black and white' as some do. Anyway just another perspective to throw out there.

Crime is only one element of what I view as how illegal immigrants have negatively impacted the region.

I don't know what the crime statistics are, but for a minority group, it does appear based on watching the news that a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by the Mexicans here.

NWA was not a crime free utopia before, but it decidedly did NOT have a hint of a gang problem, or any neighborhoods which were notorious for crime. A few older areas of a few towns are getting reputations for criminal activity.

Crime increases with population, that is a given. What is important to note is the RATE of crime per 100k residents. If I were going to bet, I'd bet that the crime RATE is higher among our illegal population than the general population. Whether that is a function of poverty or a function of not having ties to the community due to their status, or a cultural difference is open for discussion.

I predict that Springdale schools will decline in the future. I have heard stories of several families (white) moving to PG and Farmington and other areas because they were tired of sending their kids, mostly elementary school aged, to majority hispanic schools where half the day was spent overcoming language barriers. One can't blame parents for doing what is in the best interests of their children.

Legal immigrant children do not negatively impact schools in the same fashion. Legal immigration is at a controlled pace. The parents (and children, if they are born and immigrate) learn English and get educated about our laws, our history and our society. I grew up with several Asian immigrant kids whose families did it legally and they were almost without exception very good students and fully assimilated in an otherwise majority white school.

Another impact is the cultural differences. Not all cultural variety is positive. Having been to Mexico a few times, I have seen the general norms there are far different from what Americans expect in living standards, etc. Again, having Mexican immigrants here wouldn't be such an issue if the pace of their arrival was controlled and orderly, allowing for assimilation. Unfortunately they have arrived so rapidly that they are maintaining their norms in many of the areas where they have congregated. I do not wish to live in Mexico, therefore I am entitled to protest when I see my country being turned into Mexico. There's nothing racist about it. There IS something decidedly racist about race-centered groups like La Raza and LULAC.

Bottom line is the immigrants are being exploited, and middle class taxpayers are being exploited to pay for their healthcare, their children's education and even public assistance. In the process, we are seeing areas decline as our norms are exchanged for those of a third world country to the south. Whats sickening is that it is all in the name of profit for the rich few.

The illegals are better off here, but I'd argue that many of us who were here first are not improved by their presence in our communities, but rather harmed in several quantifiable ways.

That reality does create resentment, and it also encourages racism.

I don't think you'd see as much discontent if the Mexicans were coming here through the normal legal processes and obeying our laws from the get-go.

[Mith242]

On my earlier rant I should have pointed out I was responding to any particular forumer here. I was making more of a reference to a general trend I've seen.

[Mith242]

Another impact is the cultural differences. Not all cultural variety is positive. Having been to Mexico a few times, I have seen the general norms there are far different from what Americans expect in living standards, etc. Again, having Mexican immigrants here wouldn't be such an issue if the pace of their arrival was controlled and orderly, allowing for assimilation. Unfortunately they have arrived so rapidly that they are maintaining their norms in many of the areas where they have congregated. I do not wish to live in Mexico, therefore I am entitled to protest when I see my country being turned into Mexico. There's nothing racist about it. There IS something decidedly racist about race-centered groups like La Raza and LULAC.

You do raise some interesting points. But I think if you look back throughout the past the same can be said on many European immigrants and those countries' conditions as well. But anyway I can see where you are coming from overall on your points. I'm not sure if I totally agree on them. Also I can't say I'm too familiar with La Raza but I haven't seen any racist aspect to LULAC. I've never seen LULAC look negatively on other groups. They seem to simply promote Hispanics. I think there's a very big difference between that and say something like the KKK.

On another aspect I'd like to point out that I wonder if this is more of a problem in this area because we had been a rather homogeneous population. I've seen similar frustrations and situations in Europe. Sweden is a good example. It's been known as the 'model' on a socialist state. But as more immigrants have gone into a rather homogeneous country there seems to be a growing backlash against the socialistic state. People didn't have any problems being so heavily taxed when almost the entire population were of the same race and culture. But now that there's a growing immigrant precense, now people aren't happy that so many of their taxes are going to help these people who don't share the same culture and values that they do. Anyway sorry to go off on such a tangent but just wanted to throw it out there.

[mcheiss]

On another note, I've managed to find a rather interesting find. Anyone ever heard of the Ranch at Pinnacle Point? It's a large upscale apartment complex under construction in Rogers right behind the Village on the Creeks. What's interesting is that this complex is themed in a ski resort theme. It's much better looking than a cookie cutter apartment complex. Anyway, here's some pics.

[masons_dad1]

I'm not buying that's there's any 'shoot first ask questions later' directive. I admit if I was in a heated situation like that I could see myself making the same mistake. Granted I'm not a trained officer. Maybe this is more a sign me need to pay more for this profession to get better trained people.

Sorry for the rant but I guess I just don't seeing all of these issues being quite so 'black and white' as some do. Anyway just another perspective to throw out there.

When someone shoots someone by mistake (while cleaning their rifle) it's called "criminal negligence," but when a trained police officer shoots someone by mistake (being touched by an unarmed female) it's called "an accident." When someone shoots and kills someone (a tresspasser) it's called "voluntary manslaughter," but when a trained police officer shoots and kills someone (a scared mentally challeged young man) it's called an "accident." All I'm saying is that police officers should be held accountable for the results of their actions and be subject to the same laws as everyone else. If these "accidents" are happening because of the city's failure to pay enough for trained officers then the responsible city officials should be held accountable for the actions of their employees, just like everyone else. They should either pay for better cops or pay the people victimized by the incompetance of their employees.

That's all I meant.

[masons_dad1]

On another note, I've managed to find a rather interesting find. Anyone ever heard of the Ranch at Pinnacle Point? It's a large upscale apartment complex under construction in Rogers right behind the Village on the Creeks. What's interesting is that this complex is themed in a ski resort theme. It's much better looking than a cookie cutter apartment complex. Anyway, here's some pics.

It's going to have a Movie Theatre with First Run Films among many other amenities. A 1349 sq. ft. 3BR/2BA will rent for $1295 a month. They should fill up pretty quick. I wish I could afford one.

[mcheiss]

It's going to have a Movie Theatre with First Run Films among many other amenities.

Where did you find this?

$1295 a month is incredibly high, I don't know of any other apartment complex in the area that's that high.

[masons_dad1]

Where did you find this?

$1295 a month is incredibly high, I don't know of any other apartment complex in the area that's that high.

You took a few pictures of a banner that has their website on it. One of the pictures was zoomed in enough to make out www.ranchatpinnaclepoint.com.

The rent is about 25-50% higher than the best that Lindsey has to offer, but Lindsey doesn't have anything half as nice. You should check out their corporate suite amenities. The burden it must be to be wealthy!

What's really interesting is the other cities that the developer builds in. Rogers has to be the smallest market they've entered:

San Antonio, Austin, Bryan/College Station, Abilene, Corpus Christi, Houston, Dallas and Clear Lake, Texas; Las Vegas, Nevada; Albuquerque and Santa Fe, New Mexico; Tampa and Miami, Florida; Indianapolis, Indiana; Columbus, Ohio; Charleston, South Carolina; and Gulfport, Mississippi.

[Mith242]

On another note, I've managed to find a rather interesting find. Anyone ever heard of the Ranch at Pinnacle Point? It's a large upscale apartment complex under construction in Rogers right behind the Village on the Creeks. What's interesting is that this complex is themed in a ski resort theme. It's much better looking than a cookie cutter apartment complex. Anyway, here's some pics.

Certainly beats the 'Lindsey' look. But I can't say that this reminds me of any of the ski resorts I've seen out west. Isn't Myers Ranch supposed to have a look somewhat like this too?

[masons_dad1]

Certainly beats the 'Lindsey' look. But I can't say that this reminds me of any of the ski resorts I've seen out west. Isn't Myers Ranch supposed to have a look somewhat like this too?

The functional wood shutters on all the windows sure gives it a ski resort feel. And the cascading swimming pool has a resort feel to it, although I'm not sure how popular outdoor swimming pools are in ski resorts.

[mcheiss]

The functional wood shutters on all the windows sure gives it a ski resort feel. And the cascading swimming pool has a resort feel to it, although I'm not sure how popular outdoor swimming pools are in ski resorts.

Yes, and oddly enough they aren't too far from each other. They're probably less than a mile away from each other.

[mcheiss]

I thought I would take some pictures of my favorite building in Downtown Rogers, the Peachtree at the Lane. This beautiful 5 floor tower is probably one of the most historically significant buildings in the area. It used to be a hotel in the 1920's were it even played host to Amelia Earhart. It was eventually turned into a retirement home until about 3 or 4 years ago when it closed. It was bought a few years ago by E & S Properties who said they were going to make a mixed-use project out of it. They planned for condos on the top floors and ground floor retail on the bottom. So far nothing has been mentioned on the project, which is making me think that the project has been put on hold. There are a bunch of condo projects on the markets right now, which means this one could be a while. Anywho, here's some pics.

[Mith242]

Yeah I remember that building from the last time I was up there taking pics in that area. It is nice and has a lot of potential for that area. I believe it's also pretty close to the historical district as well.

[JimBo]

That building is also one of my favorite buildings in Rogers. In my opinion, Downtown Rogers will not have a major remodel take place until the Pinnacle Hills area is built out. I think that day is not in the near future.

[Mith242]

That building is also one of my favorite buildings in Rogers. In my opinion, Downtown Rogers will not have a major remodel take place until the Pinnacle Hills area is built out. I think that day is not in the near future.

True, I don't think it will happen immediately but as you point out at the pace the Pinnacle Hills area is being developed it could be possible in the near future.