Virginia Coffee House

[cpeakesqr]

Here's a link to information about the 3 questions, along with some suggestions... it's a progressive blog.

Virginia Ballot Questions

[vdogg]

no on marriage amendment,no on church incorporation.and yes on development incentives

[vdogg]

Well they're projecting the marriage amendment passed, no surprises here.

[metalman]

If you didn't catch it yet, Thelma Drake won over Phil Kellam.

[vdogg]

Webb and Allen still too close to call. Both CNN and NBC are now claiming that the democrats have won control of the House.

[okinawatyphoon]

Allen: 49.67%

Webb: 48.12%

more than 94% reporting

And gay "marriage" is banned in Virginia.

[vdogg]

And gay "marriage" is banned in Virginia.

[urbanvb]

Allen and Webb are running neck in neck. This webpage automatically updates results every 2 minutes. Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.

[okinawatyphoon]

Allen and Webb are running neck in neck. This webpage automatically updates results every 2 minutes. Gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.

Edited November 8, 2006 by okinawatyphoon

[urbanvb]

57 precints have yet to report. Cmon now, I gotta get to bed!

[vdogg]

57 precints have yet to report. Cmon now, I gotta get to bed!

[vdogg]

Well it's official. According to wtkr the election is too close to call and a recount will take place. I'm going to bed.

[wrldcoupe4]

Or "anything that approximates marriage" such as civil unions, certain arrangements/contracts between unwed couples, etc......

[erdogs]

What that amendment says is if you are not maried we don' t want you here. And if you don't fit our idea of what a couple is, this is our way of sticking it to you. I'm not surprised by the result, everyone in my family is for this amendment. Old beliefs are hard to change.

[vdogg]

What that amendment says is if you are not maried we don' t want you here. And if you don't fit our idea of what a couple is, this is our way of sticking it to you. I'm not surprised by the result, everyone in my family is for this amendment. Old beliefs are hard to change.

[okinawatyphoon]

I agree. Not surprised but still disgusted none the less. With more liberal states adopting amendments like this left and right I really didn't expect Virginia to be the first to stick its neck out and exhibit any form of tolerance.

[monsoon]

The BBC World news yesterday correctly said the only reason the measure was put on the ballot was to bring out conservative voters. It wasn't exactly good world wide exposure for Virginia.

[vdogg]

Depends on what you think tolerance is. I think liberals should be more tolerant of conservative's viewpoints, especially when it comes to marriage.

[nrdzrool]

I am tolerant of conservative views to the point where conservative views arbitrarily take away others rights in order to satisfy religious doctrine. I cannot stomach the fact that people still think what goes on in others bedrooms is any of their business. I see no reason why someone in a committed relationship should be denied the right to take care of their partners affairs when they're sick, leave property to a loved one after death, have hospital visitation rights, etc. simply because they're gay.

[okinawatyphoon]

I am tolerant of conservative views to the point where conservative views arbitrarily take away others rights in order to satisfy religious doctrine. I cannot stomach the fact that people still think what goes on in others bedrooms is any of their business. I see no reason why someone in a committed relationship should be denied the right to take care of their partners affairs when they're sick, leave property to a loved one after death, have hospital visitation rights, etc. simply because they're gay.

Edited November 8, 2006 by okinawatyphoon

[vdogg]

And what people do in their bedrooms is NOT my business, but when they want the same rights as heterosexual couples, they start taking my money, and that is my business.

[okinawatyphoon]

It's not just you're money, it's theirs and mine as well. Fully grown adults who pay taxes, have goals, and have loved ones just like you. What you're arguing is that your religious beliefs should trump their rights as american citizens to believe as they choose and conduct their lives accordingly. I have no problem that you believe the way you do, I do have a problem with the fact that you think this gives you the right to deny others freedoms. That's what is at issue here.

[urbanfan]

First of all, I don't see any rights being revoked from any gay, heterosexual couple from this bill. This does nothing more than protect the sanctity of marriage. If you believe in God than you believe that marriage is ordained by Him. It was not meant for a man and man, or woman and woman. This bill does nothing more than preserve marriage as between a man and woman. In no way does this discriminate. Any gay or heterosexual couple still has every right afforded man. Please explain to me what right has been taken from any gay or heterosexual couple. And just for the record, unmarried heterosexual couples had no rights before this. No matter what they wrote in a will, if a partner dies and his family chooses to do something against the will of his will, the family would win in court any ways.

[erdogs]

If you have a religious belief that gay mariage is wrong then don't do it. This has nothing to do with religion, its a government issue. No one is asking churches, mosque, etc. to marry same sex people, they have the right not to. And I would stand for that right. My view is different from your view, but that does not make your view trump mine. This is a secular issue about giving rights to certain people and not others, that is descrimination. I respect your views even if I think your wrong.

[vdogg]

New news. Rumsfeld has resigned. A bit too little too late if you ask me. I think if Bush had let go of Rumsfeld some time ago the republicans probably would've held their majority.