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Least 'southern' city in the south

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Probably Atlanta. It is the most cosmopolitan and also probably has the most Northern transplants.

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Excluding Florida, it would be Atlanta. Or possibly the Hampton Roads-Tidewater area.

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as i have heard in the past "Saying you are from atlanta is a polite way of saying you are from the north"....i don't think i could have said it any better

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as i have heard in the past "Saying you are from atlanta is a polite way of saying you are from the north"....i don't think i could have said it any better

It is? Since when? I have lived in metro Atlanta my entire life, and I have never thought of it as resembling anything culturally northern. About 60-65% of the residents of Metro Atlanta are native southerners. Hardly a northern town. Nearly 50% of Metro Atlanta residents are native Georgians.

Other than a few areas, Atlanta is largely a cosmopolitan "southern" city.

As far as the "least southern" outside of Florida, if we can include Texas, it'd be El Paso.

However, if we're talking about the southeast, I'd have to say Atlanta, even though it is still southern, as stated above.

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As far as attitude I would go with Cary...but it call itself a town sooooo...There is no real way for me to answer this. All the southern cities I have visited have still retained the southern feel. Yes you can have alot of transplants but the feel is still southern to me...Last time I was in ATL that drawl was just as thick.

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Since many people consider DC Southern (I do not), I'd say Washington.

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I don't think there are actually 'cities' that are less southern, but suburban areas that are populated by large numbers of transplants. Especially with the suburban areas, they are developed without any regional identity - making them 'neutral zones'

The most transplant dominated suburban areas are in:

Raleigh

Charlotte

Atlanta

Washington

also Nashville has a huge number of Chicago transplants

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As far as feel, I don't know. Just about every city in the South has a good share of sprawl and to me, that's pretty southern.

But as for feel, I'd say that Washington's density and liberal population makes it very UNsouthern. Greenville's downtown is said to be very European.

It's all in the way you think about it.

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There are poclets of metro Atlanta that don't have a very southern feel; Roswell, Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Parts of Gwinnett County, but overall I think the region is still southern. Believe it or not, a city in teh south can be big and cosmopolitan and still be southern. We have GOT to get a out of the mentality that a large southern city is no longer southern. In Coweta county there are a TON of Michiganian transplants and I don agree that a large influx of transplanlanta dilute the southern feel of an area, but usually the transplants start becoming southern themselves

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I dont think any modern suburbs have any regional identity. They are all fairly, evenly generic. Dont blame the Yankees.

As far as least "Southern" Miami. It's more like a South American city

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I dont think any modern suburbs have any regional identity. They are all fairly, evenly generic. Dont blame the Yankees.

As far as least "Southern" Miami. It's more like a South American city

Did he say excluding Florida?

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There are poclets of metro Atlanta that don't have a very southern feel; Roswell, Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Parts of Gwinnett County, but overall I think the region is still southern. Believe it or not, a city in teh south can be big and cosmopolitan and still be southern. We have GOT to get a out of the mentality that a large southern city is no longer southern. In Coweta county there are a TON of Michiganian transplants and I don agree that a large influx of transplanlanta dilute the southern feel of an area, but usually the transplants start becoming southern themselves

Exactly what I was trying to get at. I think the south will always have an inferior attitude when it comes to other regions of the country. There is no need for it because the growth that is happening is for a reason. A southern city doesn't have to be less southern to be a boom town.

The sprawl issue is pretty much the model of growth for cities in this country for the most part. Most southern cities did grow up dense and in the case of NC cities where not very big at the begining of our country. I think it is a love it or hate it thing. I like to compare sprawl with Jake Delhomme. One sunday you will love him because he is making great plays but on another he is throwing interceptions all over the place. Sprawl is not a great development model but it is what is fueling the staggering growth of southern cities. :shades:

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Then why excluding Florida. Is it not a "Southern" state or does it just not fit the point you are trying to make

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Baltimore.

Maryland is a southern state (below the Mason-Dixon Line) historically speaking.

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Definitely Atlanta, even though thanks to the outlying burbs, you still feel like you're in the South watching the local news. After Atlanta, Raleigh would make my list.

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Then why excluding Florida. Is it not a "Southern" state or does it just not fit the point you are trying to make

I'm not nearly smart enough to do something like that. :P

Florida is just so different from the rest of the south that cities from there would be the only ones discussed.

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Are you saying that Jacksonville is not old and southern, but more like Miami and Orlando and Tampa? Same goes for Tallahassee and Pensacola, these are VERY southern cities, no joke. My neighborhood is filled with old southern money and is well known as an old southern neighborhood (Ortega). Northern Florida is still deep old south (except for the beaches and places near the beach).

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arghh! I said I wasn't too smart! :D

Indeed, I have been to Jax, Tally, and Pensacola, they are very southern. So they wouldn't fit into my topic about least southern cities in the south would they?

hehe

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I'd have to say the Va Beach tidewater area has a heavy northeastern influence, not pseudo or transplanted but authentic. I was really surprised when I went.

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Surprised no one mentioned Louisville. It is listed as "southern" but it certainly isnt totally that way. It is definitely the "least southern" city that is considered southern. It has the suburbs with the northern transplants, AND an urban area that is very Midwestern to begin with. The fact that 25% of its metro resides in Indiana only prove sthe point further.

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I'd have to say the Va Beach tidewater area has a heavy northeastern influence, not pseudo or transplanted but authentic. I was really surprised when I went.

I would have to agree with you on that one.

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Least southern city in the south ----- City of Miami Beach

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