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btoy    20

I think many of you are familiar with how I feel about County Square and its potential for redevelopment. Below is a quote from the Feb. 7th County Council Min. regarding the Drive using their parking lot.

Mr. Dill stated Council has known for a long time there was not enough parking in this area for a ball field. He stated events at the Peace Center, Bi-Lo Center, and local Churches would cause major parking problems in the downtown area. Mr. Dill felt the County should seriously look at moving the County Square facility to somewhere else in the County.

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GvilleSC    88

unfortunatly no other council members even responded to the question per the document.

Hmmm. Well, atleast someone has recognized the move as being needed. That's atleast one small step in the right direction. :thumbsup::)

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I suspect Joe would be happy to move County Government Offices up here to Travelers Rest, if he had his way. :lol: However, it is good to see that someone on the council itself is thinking logically, at least. Way to go, Joe!

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mallguy    49

I think it will happen eventually.

After Bell Tower Mall died and the whole area was blighted, the county probably bought the mall at a really cheap price (I think in the late 1980s- 1986?) and county government is located there probably for that reason. But as the area picks up steam, surely property values will rise and it won't make economic sense to have cheap non-taxed office space there.

I think the site would be great for a Target and a Home Depot, oddly enough, like Charlotte's redevelopment of Midtown Square, a dead mall right next to downtown, like Bell Tower Mall.

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GvilleSC    88

I think it will happen eventually.

After Bell Tower Mall died and the whole area was blighted, the county probably bought the mall at a really cheap price (I think in the late 1980s- 1986?) and county government is located there probably for that reason. But as the area picks up steam, surely property values will rise and it won't make economic sense to have cheap non-taxed office space there.

I think the site would be great for a Target and a Home Depot, oddly enough, like Charlotte's redevelopment of Midtown Square, a dead mall right next to downtown, like Bell Tower Mall.

Only if these Target and Home Depot spaces were on the first floor of a development like Riverplace.

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upstategeek    0

I think it will happen eventually.

After Bell Tower Mall died and the whole area was blighted, the county probably bought the mall at a really cheap price (I think in the late 1980s- 1986?) and county government is located there probably for that reason. But as the area picks up steam, surely property values will rise and it won't make economic sense to have cheap non-taxed office space there.

I think the site would be great for a Target and a Home Depot, oddly enough, like Charlotte's redevelopment of Midtown Square, a dead mall right next to downtown, like Bell Tower Mall.

There was a lot of talk about this a few years ago during the sale of the Expo Center...ie. County would move there, and city would build a new convention center downtown at old County Square. There was never enough money to make it happen though.

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Skyliner    37

Wow! Thanks for the info, btoy! This sounds promissing. I agree that it is inevitable, but I would rather it moved into the CBD. A second location would be Pleasantburg Drive, as that area is needing such a major addition. :D

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vicupstate    220

There was a lot of talk about this a few years ago during the sale of the Expo Center...ie. County would move there, and city would build a new convention center downtown at old County Square. There was never enough money to make it happen though.

WOW. I never knew where the convention center was going to go if it was going DT. There is a certain logic to this. Oh well. That's for posting.

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Greenville    31

I'm still holding out for all the government offices in one tower in the CBD. One-stop shopping. :thumbsup:

I am with you! That would have to be a fairly substantial tower, too! :)

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mallguy    49

I agree with the above post re: a Riverplace-style development. Probably there would be more of a need for residential at the site rather than class A office space due to the short distance to the CBD, but both would probably do fine. Retail is really needed there, too; McAlister Square and Bell Tower Mall used to serve in-town neighborhoods but are both gone.

Odd that Bell Tower Mall was perhaps 40 years before its time, being built just as downtown was sinking.

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Skyliner    37

The negative side of having County government offices relocate to a tower downtown, is that they might not build an attractive one. I would love to see such a thing, but only if the City imposes guidelines to ensure an attractive exterior architectural design. Yes, it would be an impressive tower, that is unquestionable. :shades:

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mallguy    49

County Square has 300,000 sf of space, I recall from my days of shopping there. Maybe a low-rise building could be built on the outskirts of downtown for that amount of space?

I agree that a government office building wouldn't necessarily be gorgeous.

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GvilleSC    88

The negative side of having County government offices relocate to a tower downtown, is that they might not build an attractive one. I would love to see such a thing, but only if the City imposes guidelines to ensure an attractive exterior architectural design. Yes, it would be an impressive tower, that is unquestionable. :shades:

HAHA! You're right, the COUNTY would build something ugly, just because :rofl:

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Skyliner    37

Although I would rather not see this happen, there is plenty of room in the Crescent Center at The Point. I would definitely prefer the County offices be located in downtown, especially considering the fact that they bring people here who otherwise may not realize the need to visit.

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gs3    26

The negative side of having County government offices relocate to a tower downtown, is that they might not build an attractive one. I would love to see such a thing, but only if the City imposes guidelines to ensure an attractive exterior architectural design. Yes, it would be an impressive tower, that is unquestionable. :shades:

The county should build new offices in the vacant lots going out Washington, toward the post office / train station. Could really help that area!

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Skyliner    37

That location, or even the large available lot next to it would be very good property. If such a structure was to be built, I wonder how feasable it would be to include street-level retail and the offices above? Any other ideas?

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jarvismj    0

With county square, I evision a linear development, like RiverPlace, but again, multi-story. Being at the top of the ridge, developers could get away with something along the lines of a 8-12 story tower, up to 2 of them, then have urban retail, such as Target and Home Depot / Expo. This development would also be a great place for a Borders Books, along with a Kinkos. With the news that BiLo is moving in caddy corner to Cnty Sq, I don't forsee the need for another grocer in the area.

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mallguy    49

What type of development is Bi-Lo moving into- a strip center or a freestanding store?

That's now a lot of grocery stores within about a mile and a half radius from there.

And odd that Bell Tower Mall had 2 grocery stores right next to each other, right across from the movie theater- a Winn-Dixie and something else.

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Skyliner    37

I like your vision, jarvisj3! That would be very nice to see on the vista overlooking the Governor's School for the Arts and Humanities, Falls Park, and downtown to the north. I would especially love to see strict architectural guidelines to set it apart from its current surroundings and elevate the level of quality other investors implement in the future. :shades:

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