Project X comparison to other developments?

[Rizzo]

I'm not sure in this context, but usually it is slang for police. I have heard it used as a term for police & politicians.

[wolverine]

po-po is slang for police.

[grcitydog]

Thanks, that makes sense.

[francishsu]

Ridge Hill Village in Yonkers, NY

"lifestyle center" (mixed use with a focus on retail, the next generation shopping mall)

$600 million project on 81 acres

estimated 5700 jobs will be created

http://www.ridgehillvillage.com/

http://www.yonkersecondev.com/pressroom.php?id=29

Here's what could be an important quote from a West Michigan retail market analysis document in, written by Grubb & Ellis Paramount (the company working to secure the land for Project X) in 2005:

As population grows and demand for retail increases, the likelihood of a lifestyle center entering the market is becoming more realistic. This would be a new concept for the shoppers of West Michigan as well as an opportunity for high-end retailers and restaurants. We expect to see a lifestyle center enter the market in the next 12 to 18 months.

[snoogit]

Ridge Hill Village in Yonkers, NY

"lifestyle center" (mixed use with a focus on retail, the next generation shopping mall)

$600 million project on 81 acres

estimated 5700 jobs will be created

http://www.ridgehillvillage.com/

http://www.yonkersecondev.com/pressroom.php?id=29

Here's what could be an important quote from a West Michigan retail market analysis document in, written by Grubb & Ellis Paramount (the company working to secure the land for Project X) in 2005:

Sounds more like the orchard park development to me.

[francishsu]

Sounds more like the orchard park development to me.

Could be that Orchard Park is what they were talking about in that document. But Shurlow's specialty is retail (her employer also has separate teams focused on office and industrial), so that's why I'm thinking Project X is going to be primarily retail/entertainment. Of course, we also hear other things like how unique it's going to be, while a lifestyle center is not unique..

[kzoovin]

30 acres and 11,000 jobs, seems like a highrise. A little more than that work in the Empire State building. But this "international significance" thing would seem to make it a really big highrise if that's the case, like 100+ stories. GR is about 30 miles from the lakeshore so 100 stories would mean views of Lake Michigan from the the 80th floor and above. At 105 stories, the observation deck would have views of the big lake from Muskegon down to Saugatuck and 15 miles into Lake Michigan due west. So a super tall highrise, half with office and half condo and some retail and such in surrounding buildings would qualify for all of the parameters I think. Make it 112 stories it would eclipse the Sears tower and have views 22 miles into Lake Michigan. It would also cost 2 billion easy.

[GRDadof3]

I was just thinking yesterday while waxing my surfboard that we are primed for a mega-highrise like Empire State. I don't....think............that's.............un.................reas.....on.......able.....................

.........................puhhhhh!

http://moroccancliffdivers.com/images/uploads/pb13_400.jpg

I'm just kiddin kzoovin. Welcome to the Thunder Dome!!

[Rizzo]

10,000 jobs is cool when you consider that this number dosen't even count construction workers and the spinoff jobs. As according to Deborah Shurlow.

[vexom]

kzoovin your right if the contruction was of a single building creating 10,000 jobs and costing billions it would have to be extremely tall however the construction will certainly be several buildings. Although I personally think you will see a significant increase in height but anything the height that your talking about would just look silly in that location or any location in Grand Rapids, at least right now.

[MJLO]

I think you may see something top 500' but yeah, considering that the current tallest building downtown is only about 360' tall A 1000' building would look kinda silly it would be like Plopping a massively tall building in downtown Belding, Kinda phallic.

[Rizzo]

phallic, interesting word usage.

[kzoovin]

Ok, well what about a 1,000 ft space needle type of thing, centerpiece attraction in mixed use setting, see the big lake from downtown GR, 1000+ ft space needle alone would be $400mm. Imagine the draw, Seattle's space needle still has 2 - 3 hour lines on nice days - it's 40+ years old.

[Phizzy]

Ok, well what about a 1,000 ft space needle type of thing, centerpiece attraction in mixed use setting, see the big lake from downtown GR, 1000+ ft space needle alone would be $400mm. Imagine the draw, Seattle's space needle still has 2 - 3 hour lines on nice days - it's 40+ years old.

Or maybe a tower that tops the CN Tower as the world's tallest free-standing structure in the world?

[francishsu]

Lotte World in Seoul Korea

indoor recreation complex on 20 acres + 6 acre outdoor park built over a lake

approx. cost $1 billion, completed in 1989

http://www.lotteworld.com/eng/index.jsp

http://www.battagliainc.com/ThemedProjects/lotte/

MGM MIRAGE Project CityCenter in Las Vegas

mixed use resort on 66 acres

projected cost > $7 billion, opening in 2009

12000 permanent jobs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_City_Center

[francishsu]

http://www.in.gov/iscba/faq/

Indiana Stadium

seven level statium with retractable roof, capacity of 63000 for Indianpolis Colts games, 70000 for NCAA football and basketball, concerts, etc.

38 acre site (including parking)

$675 million

projected 4200 permanent + 4900 construction jobs

Interesting little tidbit that I wonder if it might have some parallels to Project X:

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...NEWS01/51230019