Cityplace at Buckhead-8 40 story towers planned.

[Lady Celeste]

Celeste, it may actually be even more dense than that.

The Alexan apartments are next door to Atlanta Plaza (across E. Paces Ferry from Resurgens Plaza, the building on top of the Lenox station). Additionally, the project doesn't go all the way to Kingsboro Road -- for instance, the Villas, an existing 20 story condo tower is already at the corner of Kingsboro and Oak Valley. There's also a big chunk of land on the northeast corner of Kingsboro and Roxboro that is not included in the project.

However, the project does wrap around the Grandview (shown in the photo) and Atlanta Plaza and borders on Oak Valley.

Looks like the architect is Arquitechtonica.

Andrea what would I do with out you?

With your additional information then you are correct. This will be extremely dense. Talk about getting full value from a valuable piece of real estate. I hope that what I heard about the developer is true. If this is the case then other developers in the area better hurry because we could see ground turning before it's 2008.

Also, thanks for the architect information. I am interested to see how this new development will relate to the Grandview. Talk about loss of views, lol. These new buildings will be twice as tall as the Grandview right? What a sight driving north or south on GA 400.

[chasedodge]

Here is a satellite image of where the development is going to be located. It is the 19 acre section outlined in the peacock blue.

Thank you to Ersh @ SSP for the exhibit.

The building which has the words E Paces Ferry Rd NE over it is where the Lenox MARTA Station is located. Well actually about 20 feet east at the corner of East Paces Ferry and Lenox Rd....but you get the picture. As you can see, it will be steps for public transportation. Of course, I am curious to see how Roxboro and East Paces Ferry Rd will handle all the increased traffic. This image is slightly dated as that I know I have seen a midrise housing development across from the building with the street name imposed on it.

What project is going to go in the little red square closest to the marta station? I know that bigger red one is where The Park at East Paces will go.

[Andrea]

Andrea what would I do with out you?

With your additional information then you are correct. This will be extremely dense. Talk about getting full value from a valuable piece of real estate. I hope that what I heard about the developer is true. If this is the case then other developers in the area better hurry because we could see ground turning before it's 2008.

Also, thanks for the architect information. I am interested to see how this new development will relate to the Grandview. Talk about loss of views, lol. These new buildings will be twice as tall as the Grandview right? What a sight driving north or south on GA 400.

Celeste, what we would all do without *you*?

The only reason I know the layout is that I happened to look at the drawings the other day. Years ago when I worked in Resurgens I would sometimes look out the window in the evening and try to envision what the Superblock would look like when it was built out -- I guess we'll know soon enough!

What project is going to go in the little red square closest to the marta station? I know that bigger red one is where The Park at East Paces will go.

According to the site plan that's part of the Related Group project, and it will be street level retail below two residential towers.

[chasedodge]

Celeste, what we would all do without *you*?

The only reason I know the layout is that I happened to look at the drawings the other day. Years ago when I worked in Resurgens I would sometimes look out the window in the evening and try to envision what the Superblock would look like when it was built out -- I guess we'll know soon enough!

According to the site plan that's part of the Related Group project, and it will be street level retail below two residential towers.

Where did you see the site plan for the related project?

[Martinman]

To give an idea of the type of development this will be, here's the rendering for Cityplace Orlando

[Newnan]

I actually like it

[DaveandBuster]

That's alot of density!

[UrbanAtl]

There is a place in Sao Paulo Brazil that part of Buckhead reminds me of. I can't remember the name of it but it is already full and some of the hottest addresses in Sao Paulo. It's the hilly terrain that gives it that feel and the type of balcony ladden towers that do it for me. I just hope that the new development fits in. I can't wait to see the renderings.

[Lady Celeste]

Here's a head on view of the Orlando City Place development.

Keep in mind their development is proposing a total of 6 buildings...

46 (Middle Residential)

40 (South Residential)

40 (North Residential)

14 (Office Tower)

14 (Lexington)

7 (Health Club & SPA)

The City Place at Buckhead will have eigth or nine 40 story tall residental buildings. This developer is a monster. Congrats to Orlando by the way.

[chasedodge]

Here's a head on view of the Orlando City Place development.

Keep in mind their development is proposing a total of 6 buildings...

46 (Middle Residential)

40 (South Residential)

40 (North Residential)

14 (Office Tower)

14 (Lexington)

7 (Health Club & SPA)

The City Place at Buckhead will have eigth or nine 40 story tall residental buildings. This developer is a monster. Congrats to Orlando by the way.

That development sure has one massive parking deck though, I guess the one in buckhead will have to as well.

[vandynole]

I actually think the Orlando one is a massive eyesore. It looks very ... Orlando. Also, in that overhead photo above, anyone notice how many trees they'll be chopping down for this development?

[teshadoh]

That is what I'm wondering, if this Cityplace development should truly be considered a compliment. It does seem a bit of a 'fake urban' design, like some Las Vegas casino that patterns itself after NYC or an Italian villa. But how it is designed to fit into the Lenox business district will truly determine it's future.

[Andrea]

But how it is designed to fit into the Lenox business district will truly determine it's future.

It might work okay, if these Orlando buildings are any kind of guide. The two on the ends remind me of Resurgens Plaza, which is right across the street.

Useless Reminscence: Looking at that photo reminds me. Back in 1989, my office was in the very top right corner of Resurgens, on that elaborate penthouse floor. It was a magnificent view, especially at night, 12 foot floor to ceiling windows, surrounded by beautiful stone work that made them look like giant picture frames.

[Lady Celeste]

I personally think it will be just fine. Honestly even if it looked similar to the CityPlace Orlando. In the perfect world, the property would be divided into perfect 10 two acre squares and 10 developers would clamour to put up 10 totally different towers. Unfortunately that's not reality. What we have here is a massing of residential on what essentially is a side street in Buckhead. Close to public transportation and highway access. While eigth or nine 40 story towers will look a little plain, it is a step forward to adding more residents in a relatively dense environment.

[socaguy]

I do like this project. It would be nice if the buildings werent symmetrical though.

[JB04]

"is expected to include eight to nine 40-story towers and at least one 20-story tower"

wow that's serious

[perimeter285]

I almost wish they would reduce the number of towers but make the planned ones taller. Like instead of 8 or 9 40-story towers, do 4 or 5 60 story ones. Better yet, do varying heights to make the development more authentic looking like it developed naturally over time.

I think fewer, taller towers would also allow for some of that beautiful parcel of tree-filled land to remain a park or a square, even if it was incorporated into the development.

It's time that we have a 70 or 80 story residential tower like the Chicago's and (now) Miami's have.

[LizellaJacket]

It looks very ... Orlando. Also, in that overhead photo above, anyone notice how many trees they'll be chopping down for this development?

That was my first thought as well. Atlanta has a very dense urban forest and I hate to see huge sections of it destroyed.

Thats why I like all the developments on Peachtree and Spring. Areas that are already developed and cleared. I guess I'm more of a redevelopment guy.

[Lady Celeste]

Honestly, if I had my choice....or about 500 million dollars, I would put these residential towers in between Midtown and Downtown. Unfortunately my opinion or money does not afford me any input into the matter. I agree that I would love to see more of Atlanta's trees preserved. I do however feel that the developer is making every effort to mimimze the impact. We are losing 19 acres of trees but we are gaining a development next to a MARTA station. I am much more saddened by the thousands of acres of trees lost monthly in the suburbs due to clear cutting by developers for subdivisons.

I also have to consider marketability. Perhaps the developer feels it's easier to sell in Buckhead than other districts of Atlanta. Since we don't know the pricepoint yet, we can only assume that the market research was correct in it's analysis of viability.

[Martinman]

Honestly, if I had my choice....or about 500 million dollars, I would put these residential towers in between Midtown and Downtown. Unfortunately my opinion or money does not afford me any input into the matter. I agree that I would love to see more of Atlanta's trees preserved. I do however feel that the developer is making every effort to mimimze the impact. We are losing 19 acres of trees but we are gaining a development next to a MARTA station. I am much more saddened by the thousands of acres of trees lost monthly in the suburbs due to clear cutting by developers for subdivisons.

I also have to consider marketability. Perhaps the developer feels it's easier to sell in Buckhead than other districts of Atlanta. Since we don't know the pricepoint yet, we can only assume that the market research was correct in it's analysis of viability.

The article about Cityplace said that Related was looking to do developments in the other intown markets as well.

[Andrea]

That was my first thought as well. Atlanta has a very dense urban forest and I hate to see huge sections of it destroyed.

I don't think tree loss is going to be a big deal in that area. That block already has about half a dozen highrises, a 4 story shopping center, two apartment developments, lowrise condos, etc. It was zoned for high density 20 years ago and has been undergoing pretty intense development for a long time. It's adjacent to MARTA and the railroad, and backs up to further high density development along Lenox Road. I wouldn't be shocked to actually see the green space increase.

[Lady Celeste]

For those who are interested, here is the site plan for the CityPlace at Buckhead.

Site Plan for CityPlace at Buckhead

It's a pdf link.

[nick]

I don't like the plan at all. The southeastern corner bordered by Paces Ferry and Roxboro is just more of the same we've seen. Offset from the street a good distance. Way to go. I understand the corners are odd and not exactly a grid but if anything it should give a chance to create a uniquely shaped building that fronts the sidewalk. The flatiron is a great example of this. All those service areas, loading docks, parking garages... ugh. There may not be any other way but I'm really sick of this car culture. Good god this entire thing is within a stone's throw to Marta and 90% of the land is going to be eaten up by parking garages. I'm sorry, they can make the towers as tall as they want but it doesn't mean they're using the land efficiently.

[teshadoh]

I don't like the plan at all. The southeastern corner bordered by Paces Ferry and Roxboro is just more of the same we've seen. Offset from the street a good distance. Way to go. I understand the corners are odd and not exactly a grid but if anything it should give a chance to create a uniquely shaped building that fronts the sidewalk. The flatiron is a great example of this. All those service areas, loading docks, parking garages... ugh. There may not be any other way but I'm really sick of this car culture. Good god this entire thing is within a stone's throw to Marta and 90% of the land is going to be eaten up by parking garages. I'm sorry, they can make the towers as tall as they want but it doesn't mean they're using the land efficiently.

Pretty much what I said at SSP, I think this is a very bad plan - who every heard of a high density urban development incorporating a cul-de-sac?

[nick]

Seriously. Blah.