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^ Though the Urbanized Area isn't fully bullet-proof, it allows odd inconsistancies to allow 'perceived notions'. Such as - it isn't fully based on 1000 psm as most assume it is, it used a group of 1000 psm as a base, then uses 500 psm to expand. Additionally, it enables 'sprawl' by leapfroging a fairly large distance in order to incorporate non-contigious census blocks. Also is the matter of determining when two coincidental Urbanized Areas can merge, it's based on a general concept of individuality.

Otherwise - I use Urbanized Areas myself to describe the 'real' population & size of a city. Or, as I've unsuccessfully been able to create - is a methodical identification of developed zones within the Urbanized Area. Obviously, it's been generally fruitless.

But the use of municipal boundaries is my greatest pet peeve, but of course without any other standard super-division to use, it's hard to summarize data. Explains why the Census Bureau doesn't release commuting destinations on the sub-county level.

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Actually, the Census Bureau releases sub-county level commuter data for a select few states. (Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Wisconsin.) The reason is that each of these states can be subdivided entirely into towns and townships, etc. Unlike most southern and western states, there is no such thing as "unincorporated land". In the end, it's a headache, as that is why all of the major cities in these states have tiny municipal boundaries.

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Actually, the Census Bureau releases sub-county level commuter data for a select few states. (Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Wisconsin.) The reason is that each of these states can be subdivided entirely into towns and townships, etc. Unlike most southern and western states, there is no such thing as "unincorporated land". In the end, it's a headache, as that is why all of the major cities in these states have tiny municipal boundaries.

Yeah. Though it is possible for cities to annex into these Towns (since they share a common administrative level), it's considerably more difficult than say, in Illinois, where the townships are a different layer of administration, and cities and villages can (and constantly do) annex into them at will.

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I don't know about the other states, but I know that in Michigan it's almost impossible for a city to annex land from a township, especially if that township holds a charter. (Most townships adjacent to cities are charter townships.) That's not to say it doesn't happen, but even annexing a few acres of land can take years of court battles and voter initiatives.

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This is cool info. Thanks for posting. The South Florida region according to this information is now at 5,422,200. All three of our counties are on the top 100 list: Miami-Dade is #8, Broward is #15, and Palm Beach is #29. I hope all the hurricanes don't cause these numbers to go south!

http://www.census.gov/popest/estimates.php

100 Largest US County Population estimates

July 1, 2005

Los Angeles County, CA 9,935,475

Cook County, IL 5,303,683

Harris County, TX 3,693,050

Maricopa County, AZ 3,635,528

Orange County, CA 2,988,072

San Diego County, CA 2,933,462

Kings County, NY 2,486,235

Miami-Dade County, FL 2,376,014

Dallas County, TX 2,305,454

Queens County, NY 2,241,600

Wayne County, MI 1,998,217

San Bernardino County, CA 1,963,535

Riverside County, CA 1,946,419

King County, WA 1,793,583

Broward County, FL 1,777,638

Clark County, NV 1,710,551

Santa Clara County, CA 1,699,052

Tarrant County, TX 1,620,479

New York County, NY 1,593,200

Bexar County, TX 1,518,370

Suffolk County, NY 1,474,927

Philadelphia County, PA 1,463,281

Middlesex County, MA 1,459,011

Alameda County, CA 1,448,905

Sacramento County, CA 1,363,482

Bronx County, NY 1,357,589

Cuyahoga County, OH 1,335,317

Nassau County, NY 1,333,137

Palm Beach County, FL 1,268,548

Allegheny County, PA 1,235,841

Oakland County, MI 1,214,361

Hillsborough County, FL 1,132,152

Hennepin County, MN 1,119,364

Franklin County, OH 1,090,771

Orange County, FL 1,023,023

Contra Costa County, CA 1,017,787

Fairfax County, VA 1,006,529

St. Louis County, MO 1,004,666

Salt Lake County, UT 948,172

Westchester County, NY 940,807

Erie County, NY 930,703

DuPage County, IL 929,113

Pinellas County, FL 928,032

Montgomery County, MD 927,583

Pima County, AZ 924,786

Milwaukee County, WI 921,654

Fulton County, GA 915,623

Shelby County, TN 909,035

Honolulu County, HI 905,266

Fairfield County, CT 902,775

Bergen County, NJ 902,561

Travis County, TX 888,185

Fresno County, CA 877,584

Hartford County, CT 877,393

Marion County, IN 863,133

New Haven County, CT 846,766

Prince George's County, MD 846,123

Macomb County, MI 829,453

Duval County, FL 826,436

Hamilton County, OH 806,652

Mecklenburg County, NC 796,372

Ventura County, CA 796,106

Essex County, NJ 791,057

Middlesex County, NJ 789,516

Baltimore County, MD 786,113

Worcester County, MA 783,262

Montgomery County, PA 775,883

Kern County, CA 756,825

Pierce County, WA 753,787

Wake County, NC 748,815

San Francisco County, CA 739,426

Essex County, MA 738,301

Monroe County, NY 733,366

Gwinnett County, GA 726,273

El Paso County, TX 721,598

Lake County, IL 702,682

Jefferson County, KY 699,827

San Mateo County, CA 699,610

Oklahoma County, OK 684,543

Hidalgo County, TX 678,275

DeKalb County, GA 677,959

Multnomah County, OR 672,906

San Joaquin County, CA 664,116

Cobb County, GA 663,818

Jackson County, MO 662,959

Collin County, TX 659,457

Jefferson County, AL 657,229

Snohomish County, WA 655,944

Suffolk County, MA 654,428

Norfolk County, MA 653,595

Will County, IL 642,813

Providence County, RI 639,653

Monmouth County, NJ 635,952

Baltimore city, MD 635,815

Bucks County, PA 621,342

Bernalillo County, NM 603,562

Hudson County, NJ 603,521

Kent County, MI 596,666

Davidson County, TN 575,261

Tulsa County, OK 572,059

100 fastest growing counties

Population Estimates for the 100 Fastest Growing U.S. Counties with 10,000 or more Population in 2005:

April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2005

Geographic Area Percent

Flagler County, FL 53.3

Loudoun County, VA 50.7

Rockwall County, TX 46.1

Kendall County, IL 45.8

Forsyth County, GA 42.7

Douglas County, CO 41.9

Henry County, GA 40.6

Newton County, GA 39.9

Lincoln County, SD 38.2

Paulding County, GA 37.8

Lyon County, NV 37.7

Delaware County, OH 36.6

Osceola County, FL 34.3

Collin County, TX 34.1

Scott County, MN 33.9

Williamson County, TX 33.4

Spencer County, KY 33

Hamilton County, IN 31.7

Union County, NC 31.6

Lake County, FL 31.6

Washington County, UT 31.6

St. Johns County, FL 31.2

Fort Bend County, TX 30.8

Barrow County, GA 29.9

Cherokee County, GA 29.8

Spotsylvania County, VA 28.9

Montgomery County, TX 28.7

Matanuska-Susitna Borough, AK 28.1

Denton County, TX 28.1

Will County, IL 28

Pinal County, AZ 27.9

DeSoto County, MS 27.8

Franklin County, WA 27.7

Placer County, CA 27.6

Hays County, TX 27.5

Stafford County, VA 27.5

Currituck County, NC 27.1

Dallas County, IA 27

Sherburne County, MN 26.9

Weld County, CO 26.6

Tooele County, UT 26

Riverside County, CA 26

Jackson County, GA 25.7

Lee County, GA 25.6

St. Lucie County, FL 25.2

Canyon County, ID 25.2

Effingham County, GA 25

Kaufman County, TX 25

Wasatch County, UT 24.7

Walton County, GA 24.7

Nye County, NV 24.5

Pasco County, FL 24.5

Clark County, NV 24.3

Prince William County, VA 24.1

Culpeper County, VA 24.1

Suffolk city, VA 24.1

Walton County, FL 23.9

Christian County, MO 23.9

Pickens County, GA 23.8

Rains County, TX 23.7

Warren County, OH 23.6

Boone County, KY 23.6

Lee County, FL 23.6

Fluvanna County, VA 23.5

Gwinnett County, GA 23.4

Wakulla County, FL 23.4

Dawson County, GA 23.3

Coweta County, GA 23.2

Comal County, TX 23.1

Wright County, MN 23

Berkeley County, WV 23

King George County, VA 22.8

Lincoln County, MO 22.6

Deschutes County, OR 22.5

Hendricks County, IN 22.5

Collier County, FL 22.2

Douglas County, GA 22.2

St. Croix County, WI 22.2

Burnet County, TX 22.1

Bryan County, GA 21.9

Hoke County, NC 21.9

Brunswick County, NC 21.9

Benton County, AR 21.9

Pike County, PA 21.7

Santa Rosa County, FL 21.5

Clay County, FL 21.5

Williamson County, TN 21.3

Bastrop County, TX 21.2

Hernando County, FL 21.1

Carver County, MN 20.9

Carroll County, GA 20.8

Boone County, IL 20.8

Mohave County, AZ 20.7

White County, GA 20.6

Kendall County, TX 20.5

Utah County, UT 20.4

Isanti County, MN 20.4

Sumter County, FL 20.3

Chisago County, MN 20.2

Johnston County, NC 20.1

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Estimates for the 20 largest CSAs...

for 2005 based on Census County Numbers (Source: Demographia, full report attached)---

1

New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA: 21,903,623

2

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA: 17,629,607

3

Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI: 9,661,840

4

Washington-Baltimore- Northern Virginia, DC-MDVA: 8,083,126

5

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA: 7,168,176

6

Dallas-Fort Worth, TX: 6,021,325

7

Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD: 5,976,485

8

Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH: 5,804,816

9

Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI: 5,428,000

10

Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL: 5,422,200

11

Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX: 5,380,661

12

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL: 5,249,121

13

Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale,AZ: 3,865,077

14

Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia,WA: 3,806,453

15

Minneapolis-St. Paul-St.Cloud, MN-WI: 3,467,108

16

San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA: 2,933,462

17

Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH: 2,931,774

18

St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL: 2,840,179

19

Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL: 2,647,658

20

Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO: 2,640,434

CSA_MSA_2004__2005.pdf

CSA_MSA_2004__2005.pdf

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Estimates for the 20 largest CSAs...

for 2005 based on Census County Numbers (Source: Demographia, full report attached)---

1

New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA: 21,903,623

2

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA: 17,629,607

3

Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI: 9,661,840

4

Washington-Baltimore- Northern Virginia, DC-MDVA: 8,083,126

5

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA: 7,168,176

6

Dallas-Fort Worth, TX: 6,021,325

7

Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD: 5,976,485

8

Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH: 5,804,816

9

Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI: 5,428,000

10

Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL: 5,422,200

11

Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX: 5,380,661

12

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL: 5,249,121

13

Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale,AZ: 3,865,077

14

Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia,WA: 3,806,453

15

Minneapolis-St. Paul-St.Cloud, MN-WI: 3,467,108

16

San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA: 2,933,462

17

Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH: 2,931,774

18

St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL: 2,840,179

19

Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL: 2,647,658

20

Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO: 2,640,434

Do you think the D/FW area will pass the Bay Area in 20 years?

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I was quite surprised to see St. John's County, FL was on the list of fastest growing counties. It is a suburb county to Jacksonville and is soooooooooooooooo dull ~~by comparison Jax looks like Manhatten. St. John's County has also traditionally been the most conservative, intolerant of diversity county in the state.

Who is moving there????? Redneck country!!

Flagler County is about 50 miles south of Jacksonville. Not sure what the attraction is there (?)

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St. John's and Flagler both have tons of retirees and golf enthusiasts moving there. The PGA overpass is in there on I-95 I believe and Palm Coast is a huge huge draw for retirees. Flagler is actually covered by Orlando/Daytona Beach TV and Radio stations and is considered more in the Orlando metro. I went to college down there, and I wouldn't neccessarily call them intolerant, compared to greater Orlando, Jacksonville always seemed to me as more the conservative church going population. State politicos would tell you the same, the south being very Democratic, the panhandle over to Jax and Ocala being very conservative, with the "I-4 corridor" from St. Pete, Tampa, Lakeland, Orlando and Daytona having pockets of both and being the key in winning any statewide office since either the panhandle/north or the south will be a write off for either party.

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I was quite surprised to see St. John's County, FL was on the list of fastest growing counties. It is a suburb county to Jacksonville and is soooooooooooooooo dull ~~by comparison Jax looks like Manhatten. St. John's County has also traditionally been the most conservative, intolerant of diversity county in the state.

Who is moving there????? Redneck country!!

Flagler County is about 50 miles south of Jacksonville. Not sure what the attraction is there (?)

What's wrong with being intolerant of diversity? All people are tribal. It's only in the U.S., Canada, and the U.K. where "diversity" is still embraced. Why? Racial (which you are implying) Diversity destroys countries, that is why. Every history book will show you example after example of failed "diverse" societies. Hence, European nations' lock-down on immigration, and now Australia is jumping on board.

Stop being judgmental of "rednecks", your definition of someone who you disagree with.

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What's wrong with being intolerant of diversity? All people are tribal. It's only in the U.S., Canada, and the U.K. where "diversity" is still embraced. Why? Racial (which you are implying) Diversity destroys countries, that is why. Every history book will show you example after example of failed "diverse" societies. Hence, European nations' lock-down on immigration, and now Australia is jumping on board.

Stop being judgmental of "rednecks", your definition of someone who you disagree with.

Diversity is widely seen as a key to a healthy, successful country, state or city... Diversity is a keystone of the most successful nation on earth, warts and all, the United States--- Which has welcomed peoples from all over the world, of every race and culture to create a sum much greater than its parts--- What destroies is intolerence...

and yes, Europe suffers because of ingrained racism... not because it is diverse---

Perhaps a visit to the Holocaust Museum in Washington is in order for those who think there is 'nothing wrong' with intolerence... and little gut-kicking reality for those OD'ed on Rush and the idiot-fringe of the right...

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Diversity is widely seen as a key to a healthy, successful country, state or city... Diversity is a keystone of the most successful nation on earth, warts and all, the United States--- Which has welcomed peoples from all over the world, of every race and culture to create a sum much greater than its parts--- What destroies is intolerence...

and yes, Europe suffers because of ingrained racism... not because it is diverse---

Perhaps a visit to the Holocaust Museum in Washington is in order for those who think there is 'nothing wrong' with intolerence... and little gut-kicking reality for those OD'ed on Rush and the idiot-fringe of the right...

That's a half truth. The US puts diversity ahead of assimilation, and that's where I see problems. It's great that other cultures influence the US, but to encourage outright tribalism in the way that the we do today is a mistake.

If you look back on the last great tide of immigrants, there was a sense of resentment and a lot of the immigrants continued to practice their cultural ways down to the language. Several generations down the road there are still family recipes or customs that are passed down, but the decendants of the turn of the century era immigrants are 100% American in the way they act.

Today, people are being separated by where they come from like it's more important than being an American. It's evidenced by the number of people who carry Mexican flags to rallies, and black people who continue to act like there's 2 different worlds (perpetuating the problem). Indian tribes that have ceased to exist for over 100 years have been resurrected for the sole purpose of building casinos. We celebrate their heritage (which they gave up years ago in favor of the American way of life) and uniqueness while they celebrate their expanding bank accounts. The only large group that isn't encouraged are those confederate flag toting rednecks. We need to have a single language, and a single culture, unless we'd prefer to lose our nation to tribalism. I'd rather us be closer to a melting pot than a salad bowl. The salad bowl is what we've seen in countries like Iraq, Israel, Yugoslavia, and France. It doesn't work.

on edit: I debated throwing this in there, but look at the USA's past. Tribalism in the USA was pretty extreme until recently. Everyone here should agree we don't want to go back to that. I did not want to throw that in as it might give the wrong impression that what the US is doing now will do the same by my argument. The segments of the USA that were allowed to (and did) assimilate into the mainstream society have been better off. There are different effects of tribalism. One such effect can be demonstrated over in Quebec where support for separation from Canada comes and goes from time to time. Do we really want, say, California separating from the USA?

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Diversity is widely seen as a key to a healthy, successful country, state or city...
Most countries in the top ten in GDP are not very diverse, particulary Japan (2), China (4), and South Korea (10).

1 United States $12,485,725,000,000

2 Japan $4,571,314,000,000

3 Germany $2,797,343,000,000

4 People's Republic of China $2,224,811,000,000

5 United Kingdom $2,201,473,000,000

6 France $2,105,864,000,000

7 Italy $1,766,160,000,000

8 Canada $1,130,208,000,000

9 Spain $1,126,565,000,000

10 South Korea $793,070,000,000

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I would hardly call China successful just because it's one of the top grossing countries. The population of china exceeds the next largest country on that list by four times!!!! China's economy is rapidly growing, but China has ages to go before it's an economic power house.

You can take a Ford Escort and paint it pink, and it'll still be a Ford Escort. You can take china give it the largest economy in the world. And it will still be among the worlds poorest.

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That's a half truth. The US puts diversity ahead of assimilation, and that's where I see problems. It's great that other cultures influence the US, but to encourage outright tribalism in the way that the we do today is a mistake.

If you look back on the last great tide of immigrants, there was a sense of resentment and a lot of the immigrants continued to practice their cultural ways down to the language. Several generations down the road there are still family recipes or customs that are passed down, but the decendants of the turn of the century era immigrants are 100% American in the way they act.

Today, people are being separated by where they come from like it's more important than being an American. It's evidenced by the number of people who carry Mexican flags to rallies, and black people who continue to act like there's 2 different worlds (perpetuating the problem). Indian tribes that have ceased to exist for over 100 years have been resurrected for the sole purpose of building casinos. We celebrate their heritage (which they gave up years ago in favor of the American way of life) and uniqueness while they celebrate their expanding bank accounts. The only large group that isn't encouraged are those confederate flag toting rednecks. We need to have a single language, and a single culture, unless we'd prefer to lose our nation to tribalism. I'd rather us be closer to a melting pot than a salad bowl. The salad bowl is what we've seen in countries like Iraq, Israel, Yugoslavia, and France. It doesn't work.

on edit: I debated throwing this in there, but look at the USA's past. Tribalism in the USA was pretty extreme until recently. Everyone here should agree we don't want to go back to that. I did not want to throw that in as it might give the wrong impression that what the US is doing now will do the same by my argument. The segments of the USA that were allowed to (and did) assimilate into the mainstream society have been better off. There are different effects of tribalism. One such effect can be demonstrated over in Quebec where support for separation from Canada comes and goes from time to time. Do we really want, say, California separating from the USA?

Of course there are different arguments for degree of assimilation... American interests have always been served by the assimilation of the best (and occasionally the worst) of varying cultures-- this underlying structural characteristic of US culture has been the key to America's relative success in the world...

I agee, for instance that learning English and having a basic understanding of American history and civics are important (as they are for people born here as well)... The history of this country in large part is the history of immigration and ultimately a kind of American assimilation--- What I have a problem with are those that think that somehow immigration is un-American... that folks who risk their lives for a better life somehow are unworthy-- to me it smacks of racism, pure and simple (if anything is pure and simple)... In any case thanks for the comments... salad bowl or melting pot...

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Most countries in the top ten in GDP are not very diverse, particulary Japan (2), China (4), and South Korea (10).

1 United States $12,485,725,000,000

2 Japan $4,571,314,000,000

3 Germany $2,797,343,000,000

4 People's Republic of China $2,224,811,000,000

5 United Kingdom $2,201,473,000,000

6 France $2,105,864,000,000

7 Italy $1,766,160,000,000

8 Canada $1,130,208,000,000

9 Spain $1,126,565,000,000

10 South Korea $793,070,000,000

Yes.. there is more than GDP to success... try cultural domination for one-- BTW,

Japan's economy has been stagnant now for many years-- many believe it has reached its limits because of a structural lack of... yes diversity... China is now beginning to live up to its potential Because it is LESS isolationist and more open to... yes, again, diversity and cultural integration and change... are we talking about the value of diversity here or the value of tolerance, anyway?

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Yes.. there is more than GDP to success... try cultural domination for one-- BTW,

Japan's economy has been stagnant now for many years-- many believe it has reached its limits because of a structural lack of... yes diversity... China is now beginning to live up to its potential Because it is LESS isolationist and more open to... yes, again, diversity and cultural integration and change... are we talking about the value of diversity here or the value of tolerance, anyway?

Japan's economy is not stagnant because of a lack of diversity. Diversity just so happened to occur in the US as the economy grew because the diverse populations added to the labor force. More workers = increased production. Diversity is not the key to a successful ecnomy. I think this discussion is going way beyond the original intent of the thread. China is succeeding because of economic freedom being given to its citizens coupled with an insane amount of foreign direct investment brought along by free trade policies and low wages in that country. The country is still as tribal as any other. They put a strict limit on the number of people on the countryside that are allowed to migrate to the cities. That reeks of sound central planning at the expense of poor rural citizens all for the "greater good".

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What I have a problem with are those that think that somehow immigration is un-American... that folks who risk their lives for a better life somehow are unworthy-- to me it smacks of racism, pure and simple (if anything is pure and simple)... In any case thanks for the comments... salad bowl or melting pot...

Most people have no problem with immigration. It's illegal immigration that most people dislike. These are people who buy fraudulent social security cards (and pay into the system!) and work for low wages. This artficially lowers the pay rate for low skilled jobs. They didn't have enough respect for the flawed American system to follow it. They violated our laws. That's what people don't like.

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Most people have no problem with immigration. It's illegal immigration that most people dislike. These are people who buy fraudulent social security cards (and pay into the system!) and work for low wages. This artficially lowers the pay rate for low skilled jobs. They didn't have enough respect for the flawed American system to follow it. They violated our laws. That's what people don't like.

Well... a Southern Liberal vs a Northern Conservative-- guess that says something about stereotypes...

Diversity and the mix of perspectives that it brings is what this country is about (one thing at least)...

We can disagree about a lot-- but I hope Tolerance is not one of them... without that things fall apart very quickly... that said, we are way off-thread-- so we may have to agree to dis-agree...

and yes Dallas will probably pass SF in population one day... though SF will always be a great town...

BTW... none of the original American Immigrants had anyone's 'permission' to immigrate...

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Well... a Southern Liberal vs a Northern Conservative-- guess that says something about stereotypes...

Diversity and the mix of perspectives that it brings is what this country is about (one thing at least)...

We can disagree about a lot-- but I hope Tolerance is not one of them... without that things fall apart very quickly... that said, we are way off-thread-- so we may have to agree to dis-agree...

and yes Dallas will probably pass SF in population one day... though SF will always be a great town...

BTW... none of the original American Immigrants had anyone's 'permission' to immigrate...

I'm pretty sure Dallas already surpassed San Fransisco in both MSA and city population. There were no laws on immigration back when the US was founded. The way our system works, too many immigrants could result in the loss of our way of life. Poor immigrants go to our emergency rooms, send their kids to our schools, some end up using welfare, some end up in our jails. If we allow everyone to come in then our way of life will probably go away. We will have to agree to disagree, this conversation doesn't even belong in this thread.

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I'm pretty sure Dallas already surpassed San Fransisco in both MSA and city population. There were no laws on immigration back when the US was founded. The way our system works, too many immigrants could result in the loss of our way of life. Poor immigrants go to our emergency rooms, send their kids to our schools, some end up using welfare, some end up in our jails. If we allow everyone to come in then our way of life will probably go away. We will have to agree to disagree, this conversation doesn't even belong in this thread.

Well just one more... 'Poor immigrants go to our emergency rooms, send their kids to our schools, some end up using welfare, some end up in our jails'... but most just risk their lives to get here, then work their asses off to support thier families here or back home... hey wait, isn't that what America is all about?... I would personally be quite happy if our environmentally destructive, ego centered, screw the rest of the world way of life went away, and soon... Happy 4th...

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Wow, I didn't know the SF Bay Area was so big...I lived there and always had the impression it was more like 3.5 million, when in fact it's double that...I suppose that makes more sense though. Good to know!

Of course it includes San Jose, Oakland, Santa Clara, etc... a very large area...

I doubt that Dallas has passed it yet.... but with the recent slow growth of the Bay Area and

the on-going explosive growth of Dallas, it probably will in 10 years or less...

City size is relative... Dallas is huge (area wise) and SF tiny...

MSAs and CSAs provide the only real basis for comparison...

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What's wrong with being intolerant of diversity? All people are tribal. It's only in the U.S., Canada, and the U.K. where "diversity" is still embraced. Why? Racial (which you are implying) Diversity destroys countries, that is why. Every history book will show you example after example of failed "diverse" societies. Hence, European nations' lock-down on immigration, and now Australia is jumping on board.

Stop being judgmental of "rednecks", your definition of someone who you disagree with.

What you don't understand here is that there is a difference between the U.S and most past "diverse" societies. Rome didn't become diverse by welcoming the neigboring Germanic savages into the country. They got diverse by forcing them into their country and enslaving them. We've done the same with our african Americans. This, you could say, is the reason behind many of the tensions between American whites and blacks these days. The same works with Native Americans.

Other races that are coming into the country don't have nearly the problems like Asians and Hispanics.

Countries that become diverse by choice are very successful. Countries that become diverse through war and conquering fail. It's as simple as that.

Europeans just tend to be xenophobic because their nations were not built on diversity and they see their cultures threatened because their cultures were not built on a melting pot like ours. It's an understandable, but negative situation.

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Most countries in the top ten in GDP are not very diverse, particulary Japan (2), China (4), and South Korea (10).

1 United States $12,485,725,000,000

2 Japan $4,571,314,000,000

3 Germany $2,797,343,000,000

4 People's Republic of China $2,224,811,000,000

5 United Kingdom $2,201,473,000,000

6 France $2,105,864,000,000

7 Italy $1,766,160,000,000

8 Canada $1,130,208,000,000

9 Spain $1,126,565,000,000

10 South Korea $793,070,000,000

Without jumping too deep into a silly conversation, I just have to note that China is one of the world's most ethnically and culturally diverse nations.

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