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1. New York-Newark CSA 21,903,623

2. Los Angeles CSA 17,602,607

3. Chicago CSA 9,661,840

4. Washington-Baltimore CSA 8,125,658

5. San Francisco-San Jose CSA 7,168,176

6. Dallas-Fort Worth CSA 6,054,471

7. Philadelphia CSA 5,976,485

8. Boston CSA 5,804,816

9. Detroit CSA 5,428,000

10. Miami MSA 5,422,200

11. Houston CSA 5,380,661

12. Atlanta CSA 5,266,134

13. Phoenix MSA 3,865,077

14. Seattle CSA 3,806,453

15. Minneapolis-St Paul CSA 3,467,078

16. San Diego MSA 2,933,462

17. Cleveland CSA 2,931,774

18. St Louis CSA 2,840,179

19. Tampa St Petersburg MSA 2,647,658

20. Denver CSA 2,640,434

21. Pittsburgh CSA 2,478,883

22. Sacramento CSA 2,187,747

23. Charlotte CSA 2,120,745

24. Cincinnati CSA 2,113,011

25. Portland MSA 2,095,861

26. Kansas City CSA 2,015,282

27. Orlando CSA 1,997,437

28. Indianapolis CSA 1,958,453

29. Columbus CSA 1,936,351

30. San Antonio MSA 1,889,797

31. Las Vegas CSA 1,751,028

32. Milwaukee CSA 1,708,563

33. Virginia Beach-Norfolk MSA 1,647,346

34. Providence MSA 1,622,520

35. Salt Lake City CSA 1,586,740

36. Raleigh-Durham CSA 1,509,560

37. Nashville CSA 1,498,836

38. Greensboro--Winston-Salem CSA 1,490,886

39. Austin MSA 1,452,529

40. New Orleans CSA 1,363,990*

41. Louisville CSA 1,342,828

42. Grand Rapids CSA 1,315,319

43. Hartford CSA 1,304,067

44. Memphis MSA 1,260,905

45. Jacksonville MSA 1,248,371

46. Buffalo CSA 1,230,213

47. Oklahoma City CSA 1,225,084

48. Greenville-Spartanburg CSA 1,185,534

49. Richmond MSA 1,175,654

50. Birmingham CSA 1,170,012

51. Albany CSA 1,145,666

52. Rochester CSA 1,133,140

53. Dayton CSA 1,078,634

54. Fresno CSA 1,020,372

* Pre Hurricane Katrina

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Good work - interesting to see Detroit is still fighting for it's #9 position, it will be only time though that it slips to 12. After the 5+ million metros, there is a big drop off to the next level, with Phoenix. Also another sunbelt metro is asserting itself to the larger pack of metros - Charlotte, not to mention how Las Vegas continues to grow far beyond anyone's expectations. It wasn't even a blip in 1980...

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Not sure if i have these correct or not

Combined Statistical Areas and Component Metropolitan and/or Micropolitan Statistical Areas

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates...neral/List6.txt

Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas and Components

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates...neral/List1.txt

Source US Bureau of the Census

July 1, 2005

Metropolitan Combined Statistical Area

Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC

Anson County 25,499

Cabarrus County 150,244

Chester County, SC 33,228

Cleveland County 98,288

Gaston County 196,137

Iredell County 140,924

Lancaster County, SC 63,113

Lincoln County 69,851

Mecklenburg County 796,372

Rowan County 135,099

Stanly County 58,964

Union County 162,929

York County, SC 190,097

Total 2,120,745

Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC

Wake County 748,815

Person County 37,217

Franklin County 54,429

Durham County 242,582

Orange County 118,386

Johnston County 146,437

Harnett County 103,692

Chatham County 58,002

Lee County 55,704

Moore County 81,685

Total 1,646,949

Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC

Alamance County 140,533

Davidson County 154,623

Davie County 39,136

Forsyth County 325,967

Guilford County 443,519

Randolph County 138,367

Rockingham County 92,614

Surry County 72,601

Stokes County 45,858

Yadkin County 37,668

Total 1,490,886

Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC

Anderson 175,514

Cherokee 53,844

Greenville 407,383

Laurens 70,293

Pickens 113,575

Oconee 69,577

Spartanburg 266,809

Union 28,539

Total 1,185,534

Not sure how correct this is. Some metros look smaller compared to 2004

July 1, 2005

Metropolitan Statistical Areas and Metropolitan Combined Statistical Areas

1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA 21,903,623

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA 17,602,607

3. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI 9,661,840

4. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV 8,083,128

5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 7,168,176

6. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 6,021,329

7. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD 5,976,485

8. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH 5,804,816

9. Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI 5,428,000

10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 5,422,200

11. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 5,380,661

12. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA 5,266,134

13. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 3,865,077

14. Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA 3,806,453

15. Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI 3,467,078

16. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 2,933,462

17. Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH 2,931,774

18. St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL 2,840,179

19. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,647,658

20. Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO 2,640,434

21. Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA 2,478,883

22. Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Truckee, CA-NV 2,187,747

23. Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC 2,120,745

24. Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN 2,113,011

25. Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 2,095,861

26. Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS 2,015,282

27. Orlando-The Villages, FL 1,997,437

28. Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH 1,936,351

29. Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN 1,930,026

30. San Antonio, TX 1,889,797

31. Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV 1,751,028

32. Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI 1,708,563

33. Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1,647,346

34. Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC 1,646,949

35. Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 1,622,520

36. Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT 1,567,766

37. Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro--Columbia, TN 1,498,836

38. Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC 1,490,886

39. Austin-Round Rock, TX 1,452,529

40. New Orleans-Metairie-Bogalusa, LA 1,363,990*

41. Louisville-Elizabethtown-Scottsburg, KY-IN 1,342,828

42. Grand Rapids-Wyoming-Holland, MI 1,315,319

43. Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT 1,304,067

44. Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1,260,905

45. Jacksonville, FL 1,248,371

46. Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY 1,230,213

47. Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK 1,225,084

48.Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson 1,185,534

49. Richmond-Petersburg, VA 1,175,654

50. Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman, AL 1,170,012

51. Albany CSA 1,145,666

52. Rochester CSA 1,133,140

53. Dayton-Springfield-Greenville, OH 1,078,634

54. Fresno-Madera, CA 1,020,372

2004 Ranking

Metropolitan Combined Statistical Areas and Metropolitan Statistical Areas

Released April 2005

New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA 21,858,830

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA 17,516,110

Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI 9,608,458

Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV 7,986,615

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 7,159,693

Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD 5,951,797

Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 5,899,336

Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-NH 5,809,111

Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI 5,428,855

Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 5,361,723

Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 5,280,752

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA 5,034,362

Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA 3,763,569

Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 3,715,360

Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI 3,437,464

Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH 2,942,303

San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 2,931,714

St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL 2,824,778

Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,587,967

Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO 2,566,162

Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA 2,494,949

Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Truckee, CA-NV 2,159,756

Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN 2,100,501

Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC 2,067,810

Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 2,064,336

Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS 1,992,836

Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN 1,939,349

Orlando-The Villages, FL 1,922,412

Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH 1,920,601

San Antonio, TX 1,854,050

Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI 1,709,926

Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV 1,688,385

Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1,644,250

Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 1,628,808

Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT 1,541,091

Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro--Columbia, TN 1,470,571

Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC 1,467,434

Austin-Round Rock, TX 1,412,271

New Orleans-Metairie-Bogalusa, LA 1,363,750

Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC 1,335,217

Louisville-Elizabethtown-Scottsburg, KY-IN 1,334,002

Grand Rapids-Wyoming-Holland, MI 1,306,768

Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT 1,298,907

Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1,250,293

Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY 1,237,557

Jacksonville, FL 1,225,381

Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK 1,211,438

Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC 1,173,348

Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman, AL 1,161,382

Richmond, VA 1,154,317

Albany-Schenectady-Amsterdam, NY 1,141,637

Rochester-Batavia-Seneca Falls, NY 1,136,263

Dayton-Springfield-Greenville, OH 1,081,164

Fresno-Madera, CA 1,005,723

Tulsa-Bartlesville, OK 930,842

Tucson, AZ 907,059

Honolulu, HI 899,593

Omaha-Council Bluffs-Fremont, NE-IA 839,867

Knoxville-Sevierville-La Follette, TN 817,867

Little Rock-North Little Rock-Pine Bluff, AR 813,160

Albuquerque, NM 781447

Baton Rouge-Pierre Part, LA 751,965

Syracuse-Auburn, NY 735,904

Toledo-Fremont, OH 720,184

Columbia-Newberry, SC 716,665

El Paso, TX 713,126

Youngstown-Warren-East Liverpool, OH-PA 701,557

Chattanooga-Cleveland-Athens, TN-GA 647,827

Harrisburg-Carlisle-Lebanon, PA 643,820

Lexington-Fayette--Frankfort--Richmond, KY 627,825

Wichita-Winfield, KS 620443

Portland-Lewiston-South Portland, ME 617,813

Madison-Baraboo, WI 588,885

Charleston-North Charleston, SC 583,434

Fort Wayne-Huntington-Auburn, IN 562,846

Mobile-Daphne-Fairhope, AL 557,227

Des Moines-Newton, IA 549,596

Deltona-Daytona Beach-Palm Coast, FL 547,675

Jackson-Yazoo City, MS 545,486

Lansing-East Lansing-Owosso, MI 529,054

Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL 524,389

Lafayette-Acadiana, LA 524,163

Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, FL 519,387

Augusta-Richmond County, GA-SC 515,314

Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL 514,295

Huntsville-Decatur, AL 510,088

York-Hanover-Gettysburg, PA 499,935

Johnson City-Kingsport-Bristol, TN-VA 487,990

Corpus Christi-Kingsville, TX 441,505

Rockford-Freeport-Rochelle, IL 437,111

Columbus-Auburn-Opelika, GA-AL 423,411

Shreveport-Bossier City-Minden, LA 423,071

Asheville-Brevard, NC 416,773

Gulfport-Biloxi-Pascagoula, MS 409,045

Montgomery, AL 407,410

Peoria-Canton, IL 405,493

Brownsville-Harlingen-Raymondville, TX 392,056

Savannah-Hinesville-Fort Stewart, GA 383,390

Shreveport-Bossier City, LA 381,817

Macon-Warner Robins-Fort Valley, GA 376,588

Appleton-Oshkosh-Neenah, WI 372,110

Hickory-Morganton-Lenoir, NC 352,734

Fayetteville, NC 347,751

Killeen-Temple-Fort Hood, TX 346,116

Tallahassee, FL 331,655

Saginaw-Bay City-Saginaw Township North, MI 318,542

Charleston, WV 307,763

Wilmington, NC 303,246

Fort Smith, AR-OK 282,167

Lubbock-Levelland, TX 280,444

Myrtle Beach-Conway-Georgetown, SC 277,398

Longview-Marshall, TX 263,132

Tyler-Jacksonville, TX 234,505

Dothan-Enterprise-Ozark, AL 229,408

Lake Charles-Jennings, LA 225,877

Lafayette-Frankfort, IN 215,660

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Phizzy Hamlet

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Good work - interesting to see Detroit is still fighting for it's #9 position, it will be only time though that it slips to 12. After the 5+ million metros, there is a big drop off to the next level, with Phoenix.

In reality, Detroit's metro area extends into Canada (just across the Detroit River), but the Office of Management and Budget doesn't include this. So, if the OMB included counties from Canada, Essex County would be included, adding an additional ~375,000 to Detroit's metro area. You could possibly throw in the Municipality of Chatham-Kent (~105,000) and Lambton County (~130,000), for a total additional ~610,000.

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In reality, Detroit's metro area extends into Canada (just across the Detroit River), but the Office of Management and Budget doesn't include this. So, if the OMB included counties from Canada, Essex County would be included, adding an additional ~375,000 to Detroit's metro area. You could possibly throw in the Municipality of Chatham-Kent (~105,000) and Lambton County (~130,000), for a total additional ~610,000.

Same with the Buffalo area. The Buffalo NY / St Catherines Ont area is approximately 1.6 Million. Many of the Canadian people that are not counted in the Buff metro actually live closer to the city than some of the American suburbs that are included.

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MSA population estimates (July 1, 2004) seem to be more accurate than the CSA estimates.

1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 18,709,802

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 12,925,330

3. Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI 9,391,515

4. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 5,800,614

5. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 5,700,256

6. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 5,361,723

7. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5,180,443

8. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,139,549

9. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 4,708,297

10. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 4,493,165

11. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 4,424,649

12. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 4,153,870

13. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 3,793,081

14. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 3,715,360

15. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 3,166,828

16. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 3,116,206

17. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 2,931,714

18. St. Louis, MO-IL 2,764,054

19. Baltimore-Towson, MD 2,639,213

20. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,587,967

21. Pittsburgh, PA 2,401,575

22. Denver-Aurora, CO 2,330,146

23. Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 2,137,073

24. Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 2,064,336

25. Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 2,058,221

26. Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville, CA 2,016,702

27. Kansas City, MO-KS 1,925,319

28. Orlando-Kissimmee, FL 1,861,707

29. San Antonio, TX 1,854,050

30. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 1,741,431

31. Columbus, OH 1,693,906

32. Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 1,650,671

33. Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1,644,250

34. Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 1,628,808

35. Indianapolis, IN 1,621,613

36. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 1,515,738

37. Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC 1,474,734

38. Austin-Round Rock, TX 1,412,271

39. Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro, TN 1,395,879

40. New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 1,319,589

41. Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1,250,293

42. Jacksonville, FL 1,225,381

43. Louisville, KY-IN 1,200,847

44. Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 1,184,564

45. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,154,378

46. Richmond, VA 1,154,317

47. Oklahoma City, OK 1,144,327

48. Birmingham-Hoover, AL 1,082,193

49. Rochester, NY 1,041,499

50. Salt Lake City, UT 1,018,826

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But not for certain places, such as Grand Rapids.

What? How is the Grand Rapids area any different than other MSAs or CSAs? CSA estimates include the population of counties outside the MSA. These counties only have one or maybe a few cities that are experiencing commuting or growth patterns toward that MSA. Therefore, the numbers are somewhat misleading.

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About 13% of Grand Rapid's urban population (as well as tens of thousands of rural commuters) live in a county that isn't included in its MSA simply because Ottawa County has an urban area in the southwest corner that has slightly more people. Ottawa County should be split between three different metros, but because you can't split counties, it goes to the city that has the highest urban population.

To show you just how innacurate it is to use counties to determine metro areas, this is a map showing the boundaries defined at the county level as well as at the sub-county level.

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As you can see, there are quite a few cities and townships currently in the Grand Rapids metro that shouldn't be included and quite a few that currently aren't that should be included. The total population of the portion of Ottawa County that should be included in Grand Rapid's MSA is 91,370.

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What? How is the Grand Rapids area any different than other MSAs or CSAs?

Just look at a map.

Expanding on what hudkina wrote, how can one not include Ottawa County in Grand Rapids' metro area? In the map below, the purple area is Grand Rapids, and the county to the west outlined in blue is Ottawa County. Ottawa county, population 255,000+, is just a few miles from the GR city limits, yet it isn't included in the MSA (according to the OMB). You could make a similar argument for Allegan County, population 113,000+, located due south of Grand Rapids, and just 8 miles from the GR city limits.

On the other hand, the OMB defines Nashville's MSA as 13 counties, covering 5,667 square miles. Grand Rapids' MSA is just 4 counties, covering just 2,494 square miles (again, omitting Ottawa County and Allegan County). :dontknow:

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Phizzy Hamlet

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Join the club, Hartford gets screwed too, as do a bunch of other cities, I'd bet....

I'm guessing you also disagree with Minneapolitan's assertion that "MSA population estimates (July 1, 2004) seem to be more accurate than the CSA estimates"? :P

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I'm guessing you also disagree with Minneapolitan's assertion that "MSA population estimates (July 1, 2004) seem to be more accurate than the CSA estimates"? :P

Damn. Well, I also think the UN's urban population estimates are more accurate than the CSA estimates. I can't wait to read your childish response.

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Damn. Well, I also think the UN's urban population estimates are more accurate than the CSA estimates. I can't wait to read your childish response.

Interesting, since you say "MSA population estimates (July 1, 2004) seem to be more accurate than the CSA estimates". I counter with "But not for certain places, such as Grand Rapids". You respond with "How is the Grand Rapids area any different than other MSAs or CSAs? CSA estimates include the population of counties outside the MSA. These counties only have one or maybe a few cities that are experiencing commuting or growth patterns toward that MSA". I point out that many areas around Grand Rapids, not just those "experiencing commuting our growth patterns" towards Grand Rapids, are not included in the MSA. In fact, as previously pointed out, many Grand Rapids suburbs themselves are not included included in the MSA. If Anoka County and Dakota County were not included in the Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington MSA, would that be an accurate representation of the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro area? Even Chisago County, Isanti County, and Sherburne County are included in the MSA. :blink:

(I'd also like to point out that Ottawa County and Allegan County were included in the Grand Rapids MSA under the old definitions. Despite the fact that the Grand Rapids area is one of the fastest growing areas in the Great Lakes states, those counties were dropped from the MSA. :dontknow: )

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Interesting, since you say "MSA population estimates (July 1, 2004) seem to be more accurate than the CSA estimates". I counter with "But not for certain places, such as Grand Rapids". You respond with "How is the Grand Rapids area any different than other MSAs or CSAs? CSA estimates include the population of counties outside the MSA. These counties only have one or maybe a few cities that are experiencing commuting or growth patterns toward that MSA". I point out that many areas around Grand Rapids, not just those "experiencing commuting our growth patterns" towards Grand Rapids, are not included in the MSA. In fact, as previously pointed out, many Grand Rapids suburbs themselves are not included included in the MSA. If Anoka County and Dakota County were not included in the Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington MSA, would that be an accurate representation of the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro area? Even Chisago County, Isanti County, and Sherburne County are included in the MSA. :blink:

(I'd also like to point out that Ottawa County and Allegan County were included in the Grand Rapids MSA under the old definitions. Despite the fact that the Grand Rapids area is one of the fastest growing areas in the Great Lakes states, those counties were dropped from the MSA. :dontknow: )

Oh man. I guess I will play along for a little longer. I'm not saying that MSA estimates are right on but, they seem to be a bit more accurate than the CSA estimates. I asked how Grand Rapids is any different because I really wanted to know; not because I was in total disagreement with you.

BTW, both Anoka and Dakota counties have inner- and outer-ring suburbs that are totally dependent on the central cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul. Also, if counties like Chisago, Isanti, Sherburne, Wright, Pierce(WI) and St. Croix(WI) weren't included in the MSA, I'd be fine with that. I don't think many people in the town of Spring Valley, WI or Becker, MN would consider themselves as part of the Twin Cities MSA just because a few cities in each county is growing due to TC sprawl.

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