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Has anyone rode the CHI <-> GRR train lately?  Was it full?  I would think if the demand were there they would add another, but isn't Amtrak basically operating at a loss?

While we're on the subject it sure would be nice to have a direct route to the D .

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13 minutes ago, Floyd_Z said:

Has anyone rode the CHI <-> GRR train lately?  Was it full?  I would think if the demand were there they would add another, but isn't Amtrak basically operating at a loss?

While we're on the subject it sure would be nice to have a direct route to the D .

Amtrak operates at a loss almost everywhere. It ostensibly exists to provide a necessary service, not make big profits. Agree big time on GR to Detroit by rail though, especially passing through Lansing. It would make our train network actually work as a network, instead of the three disconnected services it is now

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3 hours ago, Floyd_Z said:

Has anyone rode the CHI <-> GRR train lately?  Was it full?  I would think if the demand were there they would add another, but isn't Amtrak basically operating at a loss?

While we're on the subject it sure would be nice to have a direct route to the D .

My daughter rides it often and it’s pretty full/tickets sometimes sell out.
 

We have to go through Kalamazoo when that happens (Kalamazoo to Chicago is a much better route as it runs manu times throughout the day. Sucks we aren’t in a direct line from Detroit to Chicago). 

I think there are only 2 cars on the train. So it’s busy, but obviously could be busier. 

Joe

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10 hours ago, Floyd_Z said:

Has anyone rode the CHI <-> GRR train lately?

Yes

7 hours ago, joeDowntown said:

I would think if the demand were there they would add another,

Not how this works.

7 hours ago, joeDowntown said:

but isn't Amtrak basically operating at a loss?

You do realize airlines are not profitable?   Also General Motors has been bailed out by the US government at least three times in my life.  Also, well: roads.  The principle distinction is what things we allow to pretend to be for-profit "private" businesses and which things we don't.
Transportation systems are never profitable, they are necessary.

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22 hours ago, Winston1206 said:

Does anyone remember the GR-Holland commuter rail idea that was floating around pre-COVID? Assuming that is probably dead at this point, right? I recall talk of having a dedicated bus route to test the waters 

It was always intended to debut as a bus service.

The idea isn't dead, but under the current regimes (useless state legislature, governor with no interest what-so-ever in urbanism or transportation) I don't see anything happening soon.  There is currently a leadership vacuum.

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3 hours ago, whitemice said:

Yes

Not how this works.

You do realize airlines are not profitable?   Also General Motors has been bailed out by the US government at least three times in my life.  Also, well: roads.  The principle distinction is what things we allow to pretend to be for-profit "private" businesses and which things we don't.
Transportation systems are never profitable, they are necessary.

General Motors directly and indirectly (through its suppliers) employs more than a million people. Amtrak does not even come close. 

But that's a 10 year old debate. 

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13 hours ago, whitemice said:

Not how this works.

Then how does it work?

 

13 hours ago, whitemice said:

You do realize airlines are not profitable?   Also General Motors has been bailed out by the US government at least three times in my life.  Also, well: roads.  The principle distinction is what things we allow to pretend to be for-profit "private" businesses and which things we don't.
Transportation systems are never profitable, they are necessary.

Not sure what private corporations have to do with this?  Airlines are profitable... to the tune of $2.7B in Q3 of 2021, they aren't charities flying people around the world out of the goodness of their hearts.  GM is a totally different animal, as GRdad said, they and their suppliers employ millions, it was a "too big to fail" situation, but again, totally irrelevant to Amtrak

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4 hours ago, Cookin_peacocks said:

WTF happened to Northbound 131 over Cesar Chavez? Did I miss something?

 

 

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They’ve been doing something there for about a week since that lane has been closed. I don’t know what though.

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