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It's funny...for many reasons, perhaps a few of them valid, Missouri was always perceived to be "ahead" of Arkansas. When you look at certain comparisons such as teacher pay, one could understand this perception in the past.

Yet you look at the facilities places like Rogers, Bentonville and even Gravette have built, then go across the line and look at McDonald County and Neosho using high school facilities 30-40 years old...it's pretty sobering. Heck, Springfield's not had a new high school built since around 1972. Then compare a place like Crowder College and NWACC, both 2 year schools. Look who's building and look who doesn't appear to be...

KJW,

Please check your facts before posting. Springfield has not built an additional high school since 1972 (there are five public schools); however, Central High School was rebuilt in 2002 and Parkview High School is currently being rebuilt. The other three public high schools in Springfield are currently getting new science labs for a combined cost of $19.5MM. Additionally, all high schools were recently air conditioned (except Kickapoo, which was built with a/c).

In the past four years, Springfield voters have approved $126.5MM in bond projects. Other area school districts have also been building. Nixa, Ozark, Rogersville, Willard, Marshfield, and Branson have all built new high schools in the past few years. Republic is currently beginning the process of building a new high school.

You also mention NWACC. OTC in Springfield has enrollment over 10,000 and is in the process of building their second campus, between Nixa and Ozark in Christian County.

McDonald County (or Neosho) is not representative of Missouri as a whole or the Springfield MSA. Inferring as much would be the same as me comparing Newton County, AR (and saying it was representative of all of Arkansas) to the Springfield metro. I don't think that would be a favorable comparison, for Arkansas.

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KJW,

Please check your facts before posting. Springfield has not built an additional high school since 1972 (there are five public schools); however, Central High School was rebuilt in 2002 and Parkview High School is currently being rebuilt. The other three public high schools in Springfield are currently getting new science labs for a combined cost of $19.5MM. Additionally, all high schools were recently air conditioned (except Kickapoo, which was built with a/c).

In the past four years, Springfield voters have approved $126.5MM in bond projects. Other area school districts have also been building. Nixa, Ozark, Rogersville, Willard, Marshfield, and Branson have all built new high schools in the past few years. Republic is currently beginning the process of building a new high school.

You also mention NWACC. OTC in Springfield has enrollment over 10,000 and is in the process of building their second campus, between Nixa and Ozark in Christian County.

McDonald County (or Neosho) is not representative of Missouri as a whole or the Springfield MSA. Inferring as much would be the same as me comparing Newton County, AR (and saying it was representative of all of Arkansas) to the Springfield metro. I don't think that would be a favorable comparison, for Arkansas.

MSU,

Did you see my subsequent post talking about the new high schools in Willard and Aurora just this year?

If McDonald County follows the same trend as the Springfield suburbs, that place will have a new high school in the next couple of years.

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When the new bypass is opened around Pineville, it to will become a ghost town for Commercial Growth like Anderson, Goodman and Neosho. Take the drive up old 71 through and see the number of comercial businesses that are vacant and for sale.

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When the new bypass is opened around Pineville, it to will become a ghost town for Commercial Growth like Anderson, Goodman and Neosho. Take the drive up old 71 through and see the number of comercial businesses that are vacant and for sale.

JimBo, I disagree.

Pineville and Neosho are county seats...as long as there are the Joplin and NWA metropolitan areas as we know them (or greater) there'll always be activity around those towns. Anderson (for the time being and probably for awhile) is McDonald County's largest town/city so there still is and will be activity there for some time as well.

I'm almost inclined to agree with you on Goodman, but there's that big employer there (the pet place) that seems to just keep building and building...

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JimBo, I disagree.

Pineville and Neosho are county seats...as long as there are the Joplin and NWA metropolitan areas as we know them (or greater) there'll always be activity around those towns. Anderson (for the time being and probably for awhile) is McDonald County's largest town/city so there still is and will be activity there for some time as well.

I'm almost inclined to agree with you on Goodman, but there's that big employer there (the pet place) that seems to just keep building and building...

Pineville has the Elk River which will always be a draw for the canoe business but what chance do they have of commercial or residental growth with what is happening in the Jane area? Just what does Anderson have? Neosho has Crowder College but the Industrial Area has been shrinking for sometime. Granted Goodman does have "the pet place" but little else. I'm not trying to knock these towns but it just looks like to me that the much needed 4 lane 71 bypass has hurt the development of these towns not helped them. In my oppinion it will be quite a few years before residental subdivisions will strive in these areas like they are doing in Bentonville or Bella Vista.

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Drove by Jane, MO today:

- They've plowed those old henhouses that were across the road from Hilltop liquor...all that's left are the foundations. That property's up for sale now.

- The first business in the new strip center immediately above the Booneslick Motel appears to be a dry cleaners, but it also looks like other things are coming in there shortly. That won't apparently be the ONLY strip mall there, because,

- Remember when we were talking not long back about Neosho advertising to NWA?

Well (and I have to say this business name without snickering) there's now a sign advertising the future location of "Macadoodle Plaza" right above the liquor store of the same name. The same sign says it's the future home of Realty Horizons of Joplin and Neosho. Looks like some Joplin metro businesses aren't waiting for NWA to come to them...rather, they're bringing the mountain to Mahomet.

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Drove by Jane, MO today:

- They've plowed those old henhouses that were across the road from Hilltop liquor...all that's left are the foundations. That property's up for sale now.

- The first business in the new strip center immediately above the Booneslick Motel appears to be a dry cleaners, but it also looks like other things are coming in there shortly. That won't apparently be the ONLY strip mall there, because,

- Remember when we were talking not long back about Neosho advertising to NWA?

Well (and I have to say this business name without snickering) there's now a sign advertising the future location of "Macadoodle Plaza" right above the liquor store of the same name. The same sign says it's the future home of Realty Horizons of Joplin and Neosho. Looks like some Joplin metro businesses aren't waiting for NWA to come to them...rather, they're bringing the mountain to Mahomet.

Macadoodle Plaza sounds exciting. I love the whole look of Macadoodles and to think they'll be expanding into a Plaza is cool.

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The sign's up at the shopping center newly built immediately north of the Boonslick Motel.

It's announcing, besides a dry cleaners and "Pay day loans" style place (those places bother me but they have a purpose) "Pug's Pizza" is almost ready...it's going to be a pizza parlor/game room. Curious to see what they do with it, and how good the pizza will be.

Looks like steel may be being moved into the new "Macadoodle Plaza" area as well....

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This is smaller (or maybe not) than the potential NASCAR news, but it's interesting to see there being a potential Pineville-to-Bella Vista sewer corridor. Originally it had been published that the BV line was only going to go 1 mile north of the Arkansas/Missouri line. Now it's going all the way to Pineville.

Look at that one mile immediately north of the state line with all the attendant businesses now in place.

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Barely two years after it first opened, the Jane, MO Wal-Mart Supercenter is being expanded to become the size of the Bentonville Supercenter...they've got fences up on the north side where the construction is beginning.

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Barely two years after it first opened, the Jane, MO Wal-Mart Supercenter is being expanded to become the size of the Bentonville Supercenter...they've got fences up on the north side where the construction is beginning.

Yep, known about this since it opened. Couldn't say anything though :ph34r: . Expect a larger Grocery section as well as more General Merchandise.

Also quick fact, in case no one knew, but the Jane Supercenter has the largest liquor department of any WM Supercenter in the entire WM company!!!

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Thought I would mention that the Jane Supercenter is under construction for expansion. The Liquor department is going to be huge once completed.

Is the whole walmart being expanded or just the Liquor Store? I am surprised it already needs to be expanded. It is only a couple of years old.

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Are they a part of the Springfield metro? I wasn't sure if it extended over to the border. This is the county just north of McDonald. The article also mentioned how there's been very little growth going on in Neosho compared to NWA.

Hey Mith. Since Newton County is adjacent to Joplin, I would've thought they would be in Joplin's metro. Also do you foresee a Fayetteville/Springdale/Rogers/Joplin metro one day forming?

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Hey Mith. Since Newton County is adjacent to Joplin, I would've thought they would be in Joplin's metro. Also do you foresee a Fayetteville/Springdale/Rogers/Joplin metro one day forming?

I'm not Mith, but I'll add my two cents here anyway. I agree, I would have thought it would be in Joplin's metro area, but at the same time Joplin really probably doesn't have much of a footprint. When a county is added to an existing MSA it has more to do with contiguous urban area. Where the people that work there live and where the people that live there work plays a role in the CSA. Basically, having two cities be fairly close to each other doesn't always imply a metro area. If the two cities share very little they are regarded as two different cities. You could turn that around and say that simply distance doesn't prevent a county from being added to a metro area, but it does tend to limit commuters and THAT limits the designation.

I'll give an example, in the countries largest metro area (NYC) half of New Jersey and Connecticut as well as a large part of New York state and even a bit of Pennsylvania are all seen as one metropolis, but they aren't all included in one MSA. The core MSA is the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA), with an estimated population (as of 2005) of 18,747,320. Based on commuting patterns though, the Census Bureau also defines a wider functional metropolitan area, the New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA Combined Statistical Area (CSA) with an estimated population of 21,903,623 (as of 2005).

Basically, the only reason Newton county MO is added is because the bulk of it's population is in the southern half of it and it is directly connected to a core county in our MSA. There is a lot of nothing between Bentonville/Rogers and Neosho, it probably won't be added to our MSA for a while if ever. Also, the changes that make an area part of an MSA happen well before the census dept actually says it has happened, they won't just one day designate it...we will know that Neosho is part of our MSA and will gripe about it for a long time before they actually add it (if our urban density ever extends that far into MO).

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1. Looks like someone's going to be putting in a bowling alley in south Pineville. If the signage is correct this facility's going to back up to the foot of the hill that's immediately south of the town/city(?) limits.

2. Had to drive to Missouri the other day and stopped at the Lanagan Road bridge over the about-to-be-opened section of the highway. Saw a Highway Department vehicle or two working away - I admire the MHTD.

There's always a certain rather unique feeling one gets when you see an empty, brand new interstate thats about to be commissioned with traffic churning away on a smaller, non-controlled-access road in the background. Though I-540 south's been open several years not NWA's never had true four-lane high way north/south access...until now, or rather Wednesday as the electronic highway department sign advertises.

You never know what this progress will bring, but Missouri's fixin' to bring it.

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There's always a certain rather unique feeling one gets when you see an empty, brand new interstate thats about to be commissioned with traffic churning away on a smaller, non-controlled-access road in the background. Though I-540 south's been open several years not NWA's never had true four-lane high way north/south access...until now, or rather Wednesday as the electronic highway department sign advertises.

You never know what this progress will bring, but Missouri's fixin' to bring it.

I really like the new controlled access highway in MO... it's a refreshing sight after being so used to our bypass. I can't wait for the Arkansas side to catch up with all the progress coming out of MO.

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I really like the new controlled access highway in MO... it's a refreshing sight after being so used to our bypass. I can't wait for the Arkansas side to catch up with all the progress coming out of MO.

Above the Noel, MO turnoff (a couple miles north of the Jane W-M Supercenter) it appears to be all interstate-quality, MasonsDad. It's understood why I-540 getting into NWA from the south was heralded (and was and should have been superior news). However, IMO, this is a much bigger deal than is being let on, because it means we've got Interstate to the north for now pretty much as far as we want to go as of 10:00 AM tomorrow.

And it puts more of a focus now on I-49, and the one remaining segment of Fort Smith-to-Ashdown, AR, where the "lower 49" will end in a year or two.

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- For the first time ever, McDonald County High School has cracked the "1,000" mark - 1,027 students were enrolled as of last week. That means for the first time, the NWA metro has at least 7 high schools with 1,000 or more students (BHS, RHS, SHS, FHS, SSHS, H-BHS and now McDCHS).

- Macadoodle's plaza is now open. Nothing super special though it's a nice little building for a small strip center. What's interesting is there are now two such centers in Jane, MO, each having opened this year, and by my count they now house 8 out of potentially 11 businesses. One business (in the other center just north of the Boonslick Motel) has already lost one business, a video store, but is apparently gaining a chiropractor in its place.

The strip centers each share 2 business types...each has a "check cashing / payday loan" type of business and each has a dry cleaning establishment, but otherwise they have the Southern Tap Room (bar /grill - always busy), a pizza place, and an antique store.

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