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23 minutes ago, Windsurfer said:

Wouldn't it be ironic if we returned to the Overstreet Mall concept, but with scanners at the door to make sure no weapons.

Children have to go through scanners at schools in many cities. Might as well add them to the Epicenter so people can go to CVS or a movie with less of a chance of getting shot by a drunk person with a gun.

When you look at the big picture of how many people get killed in Charlotte though (approaching 100 this year), it isn't that surprising we are having shootings Uptown too. Here's a map of all the homicides in Charlotte since May. Almost every corner of the city is touched by bloodshed. Sadly our utility poles are becoming covered in flowers. 

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^ any ideas for reducing crime around Epicentre? More police, metal detectors, less clubs, less crowds allowed, or just get used to a shooting at the complex every couple months?

Closing the center is just an attempt (imo wrong one) at trying to resolve random shootings Uptown.

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1 hour ago, CLT2014 said:

^ any ideas for reducing crime around Epicentre? More police, metal detectors, less clubs, less crowds allowed, or just get used to a shooting at the complex every couple months?

Closing the center is just an attempt (imo wrong one) at trying to resolve random shootings Uptown.

As long as we're tossing out wild solutions, how about looking into local policies regarding alcohol consumption? Increasing taxes or revoking liquor licenses in the area, etc. Apparently 40-50% of homicides involve alcohol use (source).

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https://www.wcnc.com/article/money/business/epicentre-will-see-changes-after-violent-crimes-in-uptown/275-1788db14-8f0d-49b5-bb89-059c82d44adb

 

Changes are coming! 

 

"The Epicentre, long known for its collection of bars and restaurants, will abandon its entertainment theme and replace it with retail and office space, NBC Charlotte has learned.

In fact, the change is already underway. A number of bars and restaurants are already gone, leaving behind empty spaces for now."

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23 minutes ago, chrisp said:

https://www.wcnc.com/article/money/business/epicentre-will-see-changes-after-violent-crimes-in-uptown/275-1788db14-8f0d-49b5-bb89-059c82d44adb

 

Changes are coming! 

 

"The Epicentre, long known for its collection of bars and restaurants, will abandon its entertainment theme and replace it with retail and office space, NBC Charlotte has learned.

In fact, the change is already underway. A number of bars and restaurants are already gone, leaving behind empty spaces for now."

I don’t get why it needs to languish until after the RNC Convention.

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23 minutes ago, Dale said:

I don’t get why it needs to languish until after the RNC Convention.

I am betting some of the vacant space might be leased to broadcasters and so forth for good amounts of money for studios and so forth.  Remember that happened in the DNC too.   

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16 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

I am betting some of the vacant space might be leased to broadcasters and so forth for good amounts of money for studios and so forth.  Remember that happened in the DNC too.   

And the All Stars NBA game. 

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There was a shooting at the Epicenter in April,  a murder in October, and then the police reponse involving the shooting of two people (and death of one).  If this series of events occurred at a bar or restuarant in a suburban area, the business would be shut down by court order as a nuisance and endangerment to public safety.  

At some point, the indifference of the city government and court system to murders and other serious crimes is going give Charlotte a comeuppance, damage its reputation, and adversely affect economic development and the recruiting of businesses.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Dale said:

I don’t get why it needs to languish until after the RNC Convention.

This is exactly why Brevard needs to be an authentic bar district into the arena @ricky_davis_fan_21

There needs to always be a bar district near major sporting or other events to complete the host location. That is what served the epicentre's best purpose. Its pretty crazy Eastland Mall and Potentially even City Fair had longer lives. (I know it won't be torn down but still...)

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There was a shooting at the Epicenter in April,  a murder in October, and then the police reponse involving the shooting of two people (and death of one).  If this series of events occurred at a bar or restuarant in a suburban area, the business would be shut down by court order as a nuisance and endangerment to public safety.  
At some point, the indifference of the city government and court system to murders and other serious crimes is going give Charlotte a comeuppance, damage its reputation, and adversely affect economic development and the recruiting of businesses.
 
 
 

Doubt it. This is pretty typical for most large cities. I know that’s not a good thing, but try visiting any of Charlotte’s peer cities or any larger cities and this kind of thing will happen on a similar basis to what we see in Charlotte. It’s a sad truth.


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7 hours ago, Old Carolinian said:

There was a shooting at the Epicenter in April,  a murder in October, and then the police reponse involving the shooting of two people (and death of one).  If this series of events occurred at a bar or restuarant in a suburban area, the business would be shut down by court order as a nuisance and endangerment to public safety.  

At some point, the indifference of the city government and court system to murders and other serious crimes is going give Charlotte a comeuppance, damage its reputation, and adversely affect economic development and the recruiting of businesses.

Not to minimize this. but it could be worse. Look at Hong Kong right now...

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Synopsis101 said:

Office space. :yawn: Taking it back to our roots.

Article said retail will still be a component. I'm guessing they are looking to make it more a mix of restaurants, try to attract retail stores like Apple or Urban Outfitters, and have some of the 3rd level locations shift to office suites.  Probably just a push to get rid of some of the clubs that are making it more challenging to lease the empty locations out. Apple isn't going to move in right now for example with the current tenant mix. 

The hotels are likely putting pressure on management as well. The Residence Inn, Omni, and Ritz get a good amount of negative reviews about the noise until 2AM on week nights. The same response more or less is copied by managers on those review on tripadvisor: "we sincerely apologize and are working with the Epicentre management and the city to reduce noise from clubs during the work week and mitigate the impact on our customers. we hope you will try us again once this is resolved."

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Well that was quick:

Epicentre making changes

I wouldn't mind seeing an entire rebrand for the name as well. Epicentre name already has a negative connotation and I think a rebrand, along with the retail change, will be beneficial. 

Their only quote is from a the mayor pro tem Julie Eiselt, not the owner/landlord. I see no proof here that this is true. I’ve definitely heard the rumors. But this isn’t proof, this is bad reporting.

 

 

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1 hour ago, CLT2014 said:

Article said retail will still be a component. I'm guessing they are looking to make it more a mix of restaurants, try to attract retail stores like Apple or Urban Outfitters, and have some of the 3rd level locations shift to office suites.  Probably just a push to get rid of some of the clubs that are making it more challenging to lease the empty locations out. Apple isn't going to move in right now for example with the current tenant mix. 

The hotels are likely putting pressure on management as well. The Residence Inn, Omni, and Ritz get a good amount of negative reviews about the noise until 2AM on week nights. The same response more or less is copied by managers on those review on tripadvisor: "we sincerely apologize and are working with the Epicentre management and the city to reduce noise from clubs during the work week and mitigate the impact on our customers. we hope you will try us again once this is resolved."

You are right about those reviews just read some from the Residence Inn at the epicenter and most mentioned the noise even the ones giving fairly good reviews.  One businessman said stay away if you want to get some sleep for a meeting.  Ouch.   the reviews for the AC by Marriott are even worse since it is on the lower floors of the hotel tower. 

I think more non club related retail is a good thing instead of clubs.  No one is seriously talking about tearing down the Epicenter.  But repositioning it might be a good thing with less clubs, more retail and restaurants.  I do think in the future some might be rebuilt with even more hotels but only if it becomes more retail oriented.  

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Here comes another CVS and Walgreens. That’s the only retail Uptown attracts these days. 

There’s a CVS there and a Walgreens across the way


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Just for fun I looked for Afshin Ghazi online. He was the developer (?) of Epicentre and lost control of it in a blizzard of non-payment/bankrupcy/liens/lawsuits. The latest entry I find is for his company Connecticut Avenue, LLC, and property at 940 West Tyvola, vacant at Tyvola and South Tryon. The rezoning request I found was from 2016.  The Ghazi Company website is fractured and without updates since Epicentre was an active project (years).

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