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North Shore connector may not happen?

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I haven't seen anything in the paper about this, but according to this blog the project may be shot down. Scroll down to the entry that says "Word has it..."

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This came up from a meeting tonight. It seems that PAT might hire a guy as a new executive -- and he does NOT like the idea of wasting all the money on the tunnel under the river.

Now I realize that many people think this project is wasteful. But my issue is, if we decide not to do it that federal money goes poof. We won't be able to simply use it for another project; it will be given to someone else. I do not like that very much. And will the government be willing to give us money later (for, say, expanding the T to Oakland) if they think we might back out at the last minute again?

I know some people will disagree, but I think it would be a bad idea to cancel the north shore connector.

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I agree - we won't get to use the funds for another purpose and it was amazing that we got these funds.

Additionally, it is frustrating that someone would come in after the fact and set the city back (if that is the case).

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I doubt that the rumors are true. However, it wouldn't be the first tiem PAT has backed out of project taht was well under way. Skybus anyone?

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wasn't skybus just a Detroit-esque people mover system? if so, i'm glad they backed out of that

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I agree. They shouldn't cancel the project. I thought it was a done deal. I still believe that when/if it is built, it will spur more growth on the North Shore.

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Ok this would be VERY disappointing, if they can't finish this off with all the federal and state money behind it I give up on T growth anytime soon :(.

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Aren't the fed's already committed to the project? It would be a big damper on future projects (east busway conversion to some kind of rail, airport connections, oakland LRT) ability to get federal funds

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Aren't the fed's already committed to the project? It would be a big damper on future projects (east busway conversion to some kind of rail, airport connections, oakland LRT) ability to get federal funds

Well, since this is just a rumor, so I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. I just don't see how PAT would actually hire someone just to kill everything that they've worked so hard for over the last few years. If someone is trying to stir things up I think they're doing it as a self-serving way to leverage whatever political power they have at the region's expense. It sounds like it would be a hijacking.

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I'm hoping that with all the interest in downtown development streaming in, and now, with some real muscle behind it, more eyes will be on improving mass transit. I believe that all concerned with the development of the city now realise it can't continue without improved transit. I also think that the gas prices will keep pressure on for better system.

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Yeah I agree with some sentiments on here, we might be giving this more attention then it deserves, until someone comes out with an official suggestion it is all pure speculation. Would be interesting with the Senate Election and local elections this November though, if they did indeed intend to pull the plug they may embargo this until after election day to keep it off the debate docket and damper any rage voting on its demise. Gotta love politics.

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Reviving this thread because of a conversation I just had with a coworker. I'm really wishing I knew the true facts about the North Shore connector.

I have always heard we'd lose the federal money if we cancelled the project now. But my coworker says we'd only lose some of it, the rest is some kind of flex funds. He also claims to have read somewhere that it will cost at least $8 million per year to maintain the connector once it is finished.

I've always been in favor of this project. I think it'll be more useful than people believe. But it is expensive, and I keep hearing conflicting facts.

What do you all think? Does anyone know of a good place to read the unbiased facts?

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Reviving this thread because of a conversation I just had with a coworker. I'm really wishing I knew the true facts about the North Shore connector.

I have always heard we'd lose the federal money if we cancelled the project now. But my coworker says we'd only lose some of it, the rest is some kind of flex funds.

Either way, FTA grants will provide 60% of the funds that we will lose while Flex funds only make up 20% of the funding set aside for this.

He also claims to have read somewhere that it will cost at least $8 million per year to maintain the connector once it is finished.
If that is right, then with a projected 5.3 million riders per year, that would make it profitable.

I've always been in favor of this project. I think it'll be more useful than people believe. But it is expensive, and I keep hearing conflicting facts.

What do you all think? Does anyone know of a good place to read the unbiased facts?

Port Authority website? http://www.portauthority.org/grow/capital/northshore/faq.asp I think it has plenty enough facts to debate against the many nay-sayers who more often than not use very selective reasoning in their arguments.

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I figured he was a little off, but I didn't want to dismiss him outright without some facts. Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure about the percentage of flex funds. 20% isn't enough to do anything much if we lose the rest, that is for sure.

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There was an article today saying that County Council may vote agaist releasing the funds, essentialy killing the project...what a bunch of morons.

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They bloody well better get their butts in gear about extending the T to Oakland then. But I bet they won't. They'll spend the money on a development out in the boonies or something. :angry:

Can we consolidate now please? :(

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I saw that this morning about the council. Well, they committed to begin with - and the loss in time alone the cost to do this later makes it a no brainer to go with what's on the table.

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Does anyone get the feeling that the local media is doing a terrible job at keeping the public informed? We have this political righteousness going on where it's supposedly a good thing to kill project x because project y is more important without any realistic grasp of how the whole process works. The newspapers feel that their most important job is to cover what everyone's opinion is and which stance it happens to like best but there is absolutely nothing to inform the public of what's actually going on.

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Agree. I feel like all I have is second-hand info. I guess that is why I posted yesterday about wanting some actual facts.

And I do hate it when people create false dichotomies. E.g. "This project is a waste, they should be spending money on _____."

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It was on the news today that they plan to announce the main contracts tomorrow to start construction in August. Thats what I heard, we'll see

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Doesn't it always to seem the way here. We are just ready to call a project off then, OK lets do it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Wabash Bridge pops back up and suddenly is under construction

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