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[henburg]

10 hours ago, UTgrad09 said:

I don't even know where to begin addressing that level of stupidity.

Some people really can't comprehend what's going on around them. I heard someone complaining of "all the condo towers going up" downtown. I asked which ones....

"Well that one is a hotel. That's one's an office building. Another hotel. Another hotel. Another office. Oh, yeah, that one is apartments...."

"Condo" has become a new buzzword used by people against downtown development, its usage reminds me of the way that a lot of people call all soda "coke". I suppose because it sounds a bit fancier than "apartments" and it adds a bit of a negative connotation for some people. Regardless, it's a pretty ignorant view of what is currently happening. 

[rookzie]

1 hour ago, henburg said:

"Condo" has become a new buzzword used by people against downtown development, its usage reminds me of the way that a lot of people call all soda "coke". I suppose because it sounds a bit fancier than "apartments" and it adds a bit of a negative connotation for some people. Regardless, it's a pretty ignorant view of what is currently happening. 

Yes, "Ignnant" and "IdJit" might be more appropriate.  I've even heard a few of 'em refer to them as "condimoniums", from merely not even knowing the correct form of pronunciation and spelling, just as bad as some who refer to the monolithic catalyst used in automotive combustion emission control as a "Cadillac Converter"....

I have had to bite my cheek and say to myself, "What did I just hear?"

Edited August 8, 2017 by rookzie

[smeagolsfree]

Ignorant People in Nashville call every high rise downtown a condo building even if it is a apartment, hotel, or office. I have ran into my fair share over the past two or three years and they seem to be clueless as to what is happening. A lot of these same people want Nashville to stay in the same place it was so their experience does not change. Yea, I get it, but I am not you typical baby boomer that expects the world to stand still for me. I expect change and welcome it as that it what keep us from becoming Cleveland or Buffalo. The only reason I say Cleveland and Buffalo is they are losing population not to be negative about the city.

 

The people that just do not get it are generally from here, poorer, and older.

[TNinVB]

What gets me is that most of these ignorant people probably don't even live downtown, or near it for that matter. One post on the I Remember Nashville When page on Facebook had a post featuring the L&C tower and how it was the sole skyscraper in Nashville and that everything built after is just crap and it's being hidden by every new building. I know many will disagree with me for what I'm about to say, but I don't think the L&C tower is appealing in any shape or fashion. Yes I like mid century design, but to me it's an ugly building. It looks so dirty (and yes I know the limestone causes that) and like something out of the Soviet Union.  Sorry guys just not my thing. To each his own I suppose. Still, some of the people in Nashville act like it's the Empire State Building or something. Just my two cents, so please be gentle lol.

Edited August 8, 2017 by TNinVB

[Pyramid Scheme]

All sorts of the "good ol' days" people are rightfully being ignored I think. Good things and positive changes are happening in spite of them.

[urbanplanet17]

Some people will complain about anything. 

***OMG!!! My city's vibrant and growing!!! We can't have none of that crap here!!!***

Detroit would love to take all of these projects off your hands. 

[Pyramid Scheme]

3 minutes ago, urbanplanet17 said:

Some people will complain about anything. 

***OMG!!! My city's vibrant and growing!!! We can't have none of that crap here!!!***

Detroit would love to take all of these projects off your hands. 

 

I bet they would. But they're ours.

[urbanplanet17]

2 minutes ago, Philip said:

I bet they would. But they're ours.

That is true. 

[shanky]

When I read these comments about how unsophisticated nashvillians can be I think to myself where the heck have you people been.  You think of Nashville as this hip town, and there are significant segments that are anything but.  They piss and moan with anything regarding growth and progress and always have. 

They complained about the NFL, and the city building a stadium.  They complained about the NHL, and the city building an arena.  They complained about the convention center, and not just the MCC, but the original one.  They didn't like the revitalization of 2nd Ave and lower Broad. It blows their minds that someone would even consider living in the den of sin located downtown. They prefer churches over bars restaurants, clubs and other entertainment venues. They don't like the fact that they can't park their car next to their destination when they do venture downtown.  They could care less about revitalization of city core one bit.  They even complained about the downtown library!  Before all that they complained about HeeHaw being taken off the air.  They hate their morning and evening commutes (and who can blame them), but the last thing they're going to do is support mass transit. I could go on and on.

I hate to break it to you folks, but there are a lot of yahoos that live in this town, and some of them are in positions of influence, such as MDHA, and other metro agencies. I think this gets lost with all the growth.  I know many of you think of this town as a creative place, and I don't disagree with you, but when I was growing up, the hip people wouldn't have given a penny for the BS coming from music row.  It was truly laughable.   The only thing that this town really had going for it at the time was the Opry and the place where it was housed (the Ryman), and in their infinite wisdom they moved it to BFE.  Hell, these people wanted to demolish the Ryman because they wanted more parking.

Personally, I enjoy watching the city grow, but it isn't a sentiment shared by many of my generation. 

[Pyramid Scheme]

Yep. That bit about the Ryman and "more parking". Different planet.

[donNdonelson2]

Please remember that when the Opry moved to Opryland, the area around the Ryman was sprinkled by numerous XXX rated bookstores and peep shows. After dark you were more likely to see winos, perverts, and hookers than beer swigging bros and bachelorette parties on "Lower Broad!" You can't always judge past decisions by the circumstances of today's  social and economic standards. Thank God the Ryman survived that brush with the wrecking ball.

[claya91]

There's something about this shot.

IG @chris_moore_photography

[NissanvilleTitans]

These kinds of people are everywhere. I knew a couple from Miami, born and raised there, that hated growth. I also knew a guy from Detroit that hated growth. And the owners of the auditing company I work for in South Carolina hate growth. They are millionaires and live in a camper on a camp ground, no joke. Not surprising, they were/are all racist too, lol.

[Pdt2f]

I think it's important to remember that when cities grow it's not always a good thing for everyone. Nor are people obligated to feel that their city's growth is a good thing, no matter how inevitable it may seem. For those who rent, those who live on fixed income, or those who have to drive long distances to work, growth is a threat to their standard of living. I think many of the criticisms (lack of parking lots, dislike of big buildings downtown) are completely idiotic, and I personally am excited about Nashville's rise, but I don't fault people for being wary of growth. 

1 hour ago, NissanvilleTitans said:

These kinds of people are everywhere. I knew a couple from Miami, born and raised there, that hated growth. I also knew a guy from Detroit that hated growth. And the owners of the auditing company I work for in South Carolina hate growth. They are millionaires and live in a camper on a camp ground, no joke. Not surprising, they were/are all racist too, lol.

I think it's unfair to link dislike of urban growth to racism. 

[PillowTalk4]

1 hour ago, Pdt2f said:

I think it's unfair to link dislike of urban growth to racism. 

It may be unfair but it is a reality.  As an African American man I've actually had white people say to me that "I remember when this part of town was all white but as the city grew African Americans moved in and changed the neighborhood (they weren't implying necessarily for the better....)."  I can assure you that is not uncommon, even today.   When I-440 was being proposed, I remember a person who lived in Green Hills, stood up at a protest meeting and stated that I-440 would increase the number of people from North Nashville coming into their communities and stealing because it would give them a direct route.  Most people know that when people refer to "North Nashville" they are typically referring to the demographic being majority African American.  It's similar to the when MARTA in Atlanta was being expanded due to growth, there was much opposition in part because people were afraid Blacks and other ethnic minority groups would then move into their communities and/or use the MARTA to come into their neighborhoods and steal.  I also worked with white people who had no problem telling me that they moved from Nashville to Springfield, Hendersonville, Goodlettsville, etc. because the cities (Nashville's) growth was bringing in too many other types of people that were changing their neighborhoods.  That was back in the 80's and 90's when Nashville was experiencing small spurts of growth.  The most recent example of a such a statement came during a happy hour conversation on gentrification I was having with a few friends, when this white guy injected himself into the conversation and stated that he lives in a rural part of Maryland and he's hoping the growth in the DC metropolitan area would slow down or stop because all the young white millennials moving into DC are pushing all the DC Blacks out to the country."  

I also believe that most people don't recognize that the word urban refers to a major metropolitan city that typically drives a geographical region.  With the onset of various fashion styles, music styles, interior design styles, etc., we have begun using the word urban to reflect a cultural style.  We now hear phrases and terms like urban radio or that something has an urban vibe, etc.  It's also important to acknowledge that cultural phrases like Black Music, Soul Food, Black Art, and more are all equated with urban by so many people.  Sirius-XM even has a station that is called The Urban View, which targets primarily an African American Audience.  

So, in my opinion it can be pretty easy for someone who is racist to link his dislike for African Americans and other ethnic minorities to urban growth.

[markhollin]

Library and points north from 17th floor of Renaissance Hotel:

 

[dmillsphoto]

2 hours ago, PillowTalk4 said:

 I can assure you that is not uncommon, even today.   When I-440 was being proposed, I remember a person who lived in Green Hills, stood up at a protest meeting and stated that I-440 would increase the number of people from North Nashville coming into their communities and stealing because it would give them a direct route.  

Wasn't the even more recent example of this an outcry from the neighborhoods near and off West End about the 28th/31st Ave connector getting built? Or did I dream that? Nearly 30 years and nothing different. But just as unfortunate.

[fieldmarshaldj]

3 hours ago, PillowTalk4 said:

It may be unfair but it is a reality.  As an African American man I've actually had white people say to me that "I remember when this part of town was all white but as the city grew African Americans moved in and changed the neighborhood (they weren't implying necessarily for the better....)."  I can assure you that is not uncommon, even today.   When I-440 was being proposed, I remember a person who lived in Green Hills, stood up at a protest meeting and stated that I-440 would increase the number of people from North Nashville coming into their communities and stealing because it would give them a direct route.  Most people know that when people refer to "North Nashville" they are typically referring to the demographic being majority African American.  It's similar to the when MARTA in Atlanta was being expanded due to growth, there was much opposition in part because people were afraid Blacks and other ethnic minority groups would then move into their communities and/or use the MARTA to come into their neighborhoods and steal.  I also worked with white people who had no problem telling me that they moved from Nashville to Springfield, Hendersonville, Goodlettsville, etc. because the cities (Nashville's) growth was bringing in too many other types of people that were changing their neighborhoods.  That was back in the 80's and 90's when Nashville was experiencing small spurts of growth.  The most recent example of a such a statement came during a happy hour conversation on gentrification I was having with a few friends, when this white guy injected himself into the conversation and stated that he lives in a rural part of Maryland and he's hoping the growth in the DC metropolitan area would slow down or stop because all the young white millennials moving into DC are pushing all the DC Blacks out to the country."  

I also believe that most people don't recognize that the word urban refers to a major metropolitan city that typically drives a geographical region.  With the onset of various fashion styles, music styles, interior design styles, etc., we have begun using the word urban to reflect a cultural style.  We now hear phrases and terms like urban radio or that something has an urban vibe, etc.  It's also important to acknowledge that cultural phrases like Black Music, Soul Food, Black Art, and more are all equated with urban by so many people.  Sirius-XM even has a station that is called The Urban View, which targets primarily an African American Audience.  

So, in my opinion it can be pretty easy for someone who is racist to link his dislike for African Americans and other ethnic minorities to urban growth.

The question here is whether it is "racist" to point out the realities of certain demographic changes and what accompanies it. I think it's more egregious to stay silent when the issues are brought up, so as not to appear "racist", rather than speaking up and acknowledging what's going on and having a frank discussion. This is probably already too "political" a discussion for our little group.

[Pdt2f]

You make some very good points, pillow. I do agree with fieldmarshal though on the fact that a lot of times the desire to keep away from crime is equated with the desire to live away from blacks and hispanics. For instance, my wife and I are currently house-hunting, and are looking at many areas that have either black majorities or large black minorities - places like Antioch, Madison, and Old Hickory. We're completely happy to live in those areas because they have relatively low crime and are wonderful places to bring up a family. However, we looked at a house maybe 100 yards from the Napier projects, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell that I'd move my family there, and it's not because of black people living in the area. 

 

Sorry for continuing the off-topic digression, everyone! 

[UTgrad09]

The next several posts better be about pictures.

[donNdonelson2]

Beautiful sunset last Saturday (photo taken from the north side plaza of Snodgrass Tower.)

Now we are back on topic.

[markhollin]

TBT: 4th Ave and Union, around 1870.

 

[Andrew_3289]

Snagged a couple quick pics from St. Thomas Midtown office building 

[tragenvol]

From 7th Ave N.

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[e-dub]

looks like dual signage on ol r2d2:

 

 

also, as seen while patiently waiting at 4th and church: