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More detailed photos of the planned expansion.     https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/norfolk/new-design-for-norfolk-airport-terminal-revealed-as-well-as-2-new-destinations/

baobabs727
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ORF was the third busiest airport in VA for 2021, behind the 2 DC airports, and thus eclipsed RIC in passenger count for the first time in a good while:   3,311,121 to 3,190,200.

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The airport has narrowed down the hotel options to 3. Set to select a final option in September. Looks pretty interesting. Along with the hotel, it looks like the international gate  has  been expande

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Had to look that up. Honestly not familiar with the area. Confused as to why that's such a popular destination. What's the main attraction there, or do people go there because it's cheaper than flying in to Manhattan?

I would guess. You can take the train straight into the city. When I worked for then most people lived on long island and didn’t want to drive into the city to catch a flight.

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You guys are slacking, I didn’t see any talking about ORFs upcoming expansion plans. The airport is in talks with a few hotel brands that are supposedly interested in a completely private development of an attached airport hotel to include at minimum 150 hotel rooms. The city of Norfolk is hurting for hotel rooms because the airport is causing low vacancy rates in downtown Norfolk and the city as a whole, causing people to stay in other cities that want to just enjoy downtown. The expansion of concourse A seems to be nearing finalization as well. Things are also looking optimistic in regards to a second runway proposal that may be resubmitted in the next 5 years. There was a heavy focus on adding capacity for international flights and new carriers because all the gates are nearing capacities so and expansion is imminent. Just to name a few things that were discussed in a previous city council meeting work session, none of which made the local news. 

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November saw 331K passengers, down about 2,000 from November of '21. For the year, ORF's seen 3.79M total passengers. They would only need about 208K in order to break 4M, and not to jinx, but I see no reason why that doesn't happen. Bring on the expansions!

https://www.norfolkairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/November-2022-Media-Release.pdf

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This is fantastic news. ORF continues to perform well. I'm surprised they only want to expand concourse A. You would think if the focus is on international flight capacity that building an international Terminal in a concourse C would be more beneficial. This would also give the room to add a customs area. Maybe this will come in the near future though? Anyway I'm excited that ORF is doing so well and continues to perform better every year. 

 

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Finally. Hopefully we can pull Air Canada and start with direct flights there. I’d like to see some more information on C, but i’m willing to bet they want to modernize A and B first. Ive never even thought about an Airport hotel that’s going to be nice. The crew of the flights who stay over night will be happy!

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I encourage y'all to watch the video of the presentation on the Norfolk.gov  website. President of the airport authority presents a lof of good info that isn't on these slides. I'll post the link sometime after work if I remember.

Highlights off the top of my head:

  • Expansion of Concourse A is near term, hoping to get that started and completed soon.
  • Airport hotel is something that could come together really quickly, due to location it seems there will be less paperwork needed. Still in the very early stages but there's a desire to get this thing out to bid sooner rather than later.
  • People movers will be returning soon, hoping to get federal funding, but if not will just put the bid out at risk
  • Airport is performing well, not only compared to previous years but also to competing/similarly sized airports. 
  • Norfolk is now a Medium Class hub, only one in Virginia (IAD and DCA are major, RIC is regional). Apparently this also means that ORF will be getting $1.25M from the FAA instead of the $5M they would get if they were a regional airport.
  • San Diego is the biggest demand that isn't yet filled. "I am confident that we can fill a plane to San Diego every day"
  • International flights were brought up multiple times, but nothing to announce right now. Spirit was mentioned as having an extensive Caribbean presence as an opportunity.
  • Meeting with Breeze this week. Didn't mention specifics but hoped that they would be able to have more good news after this week.
  • Concourse C is in the plans for the future, but is more medium term.
  • Plan is to consolidate security into one checkpoint by bringing it into the main area that is currently occupied by Burger King/The Local. This was presented with the plan to construct a new check-in/ticketing area and a changed drop-off routing. He didn't specify if these things would all need to be built together or what the timetable would be on it.
  • Plan to get a second runway is still present, but due to Norfolk now launching larger planes means that the actual number of takeoffs is down, which takes the pressure off of the second runway for the time being, and allows the authority to focus on the terminal and more passenger facing problems in the near term.
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Link to the meeting

 

Skip to around 7 min

Some additional interesting tid bits after watching that:

-meeting next week with Breeze who have been asking interesting questions 

- load factor is at 81% which is ever so slightly above the national average of 80.7% 

- Spirit might be first to offer international flights? 

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They definitely seem to be gung-ho about international flights within the next year. I'm happy with any destination with nonstop service, although with Half Moone offering cruises to the Bahamas, I would think any of the islands is a bit redundant. 

I don't have access to the council meeting right now, but did I hear the ORF rep. mention Mexico as a possible destination? Could've sworn I read or heard that somewhere.

I also thought ORF had a nonstop to San Diego at some point.

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First of all, if that's off the top of your head, I'd hire you for your memory, alone. I fly internationally and to CA for the most part, so ORF has never been of any real utility to me. And, no, Uncle Pete's "Hop To England.Com" campaign didn't entice me either lol.  BK can go, but leave the lobby alone.  I would never use the hotel, but many others would, and it's long, long overdue. I'd like to see more quality food and beverage offerings closer to the gates. People mover is a win.  San Diego for the win! Kudos to the Airport Authority for the  renovations from the past decade. Garage expansion is massive.  I hope we put NN-WMSBRG out of business one day and expand our exceedingly slim advantage over RIC...(despite their marginally better population growth). 

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I think NN/Williamsburg Airport has its place, even if it's much smaller. As much as I'd love to see their passenger traffic move to ORF and inch closer to the 5M mark, I'd also like to see Norfolk hit that number organically.

Besides, plenty of metros have a secondary smaller airport. In LA, it's Burbank (Bob Hope)...in Chicago, it's Midway...Dallas, Love Field, etc.

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On 12/16/2022 at 9:37 PM, BFG said:

I think NN/Williamsburg Airport has its place, even if it's much smaller. As much as I'd love to see their passenger traffic move to ORF and inch closer to the 5M mark, I'd also like to see Norfolk hit that number organically.

Besides, plenty of metros have a secondary smaller airport. In LA, it's Burbank (Bob Hope)...in Chicago, it's Midway...Dallas, Love Field, etc.

True, but notice how much larger those metros are than ours. The reason why we have the secondary airport is not because we are large enough for one, per se, it's because of the geographical barrier to entry, i.e., harbor and  the HRBT. 

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