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New parking ramp at 230 Ionia NW

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This in Thursday's Planning Commission agenda:

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I believe this addition was proposed in Ferris/Kendall's Master Plan when they take over the Federal Building where the Art Museum is currently housed.

"Applicant requests waivers of the following:

minimum setbacks

pedestrian access

bicycle parking

and maximum wall height"

Are they building a bomb shelter??

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Hopefully an artistic structure, although I don't see how lack of pedestrian access and bicycle parking would apply to that. Even a bomb shelter wouldn't need lack of bicycle parking... maybe a toxic dump? =p

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:sick: well there goes a good lot biting the dust.

Although with that many requested waivers will it even get approved?

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I think its going to me less a "ramp" and more a "platform", since they are only increasing the number of spaces by a factor of 2

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This is seriously getting ridiculous. First, Do we really need yet another parking ramp? You cant turn your head in DT GR without looking at parking garages. And with the exception of the one that houses Leo's, all of them have nothing going on a ground level but blank walls. They kill the street almost as bad as a parking lot! And surprise, surprise FSU/Kendall wants all of the things that would make this thing palatable to be waived so they don't have to cater to those non car driving folks who just don't matter all that much anyway. Oh yeah, it's access from Division only, that basically means huge blank wall along Ionia.

Is this supposed to be a downtown or a advance lifestyle center/office park?

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Oh yeah, it's access from Division only, that basically means huge blank wall along Ionia.

As I understand it there will be access from Division for the top deck and access from Ionia for the bottom deck.

I agree that more parking decks is not what GR needs... :stop: I had always thought of that spot as a great place for a new high-rise...

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As I understand it there will be access from Division for the top deck and access from Ionia for the bottom deck.

I agree that more parking decks is not what GR needs... :stop: I had always thought of that spot as a great place for a new high-rise...

It would be perfect for a new government building, making Ionia Ave. "Government Row"

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This in Thursday's Planning Commission agenda:

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I believe this addition was proposed in Ferris/Kendall's Master Plan when they take over the Federal Building where the Art Museum is currently housed.

"Applicant requests waivers of the following:

minimum setbacks

pedestrian access

bicycle parking

and maximum wall height"

Are they building a bomb shelter??

That does it. I'm going to spend tomorrow afternoon at 1120 enjoying being a planner again. (Last month one of the commissioners enjoyed my bicycle jewelry. I have entire outfits in that theme...surprise!)

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This is seriously getting ridiculous. First, Do we really need yet another parking ramp?

Apparently we do. If not, I am sure that they would not be building them.

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hey, haven't posted in a very very long time.... anyway...

I park in that lot everyday for work. I would like to say that i have never seen it full. I would estimate that it averages about 60 to 70 percent full during the day. Additionally, many of these spaces are occupied by the crews that are renovating the 4th and 5th floors of the commerce building, and that will be done very soon.

So, i personally don't think adding a 2nd level is necassary. I would much rather see a ramp further down division across from the civic.

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Apparently we do. If not, I am sure that they would not be building them.

I am guessing that they would like more spaces for the Ferris/Kendal students that they want staying working the Comerece Building. Doesn't Ferris already occupy the top two floors and are in the process of buying renting the rest of the building or everything above the second story? If this is the case, than the additional parking would be nice to have close by.

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hey, haven't posted in a very very long time.... anyway...

I park in that lot everyday for work. I would like to say that i have never seen it full. I would estimate that it averages about 60 to 70 percent full during the day. Additionally, many of these spaces are occupied by the crews that are renovating the 4th and 5th floors of the commerce building, and that will be done very soon.

So, i personally don't think adding a 2nd level is necassary. I would much rather see a ramp further down division across from the civic.

Might be worth stopping by the planning commission meeting today to let them know? :whistling:

That one's up at 3:40, i think the agenda said.

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For thoes of you who always wanted to know what a one story parking ramp looked like:

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(it's not even worthy of using up my flickr bandwidth)

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Sweet mother of God. I just have to shake my head at this thing. It would be great if it had 7 stories of mixed-use above it, but its........its just a ramp.

A lousy one at that....

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Sweet mother of God. I just have to shake my head at this thing. It would be great if it had 7 stories of mixed-use above it, but its........its just a ramp.

A lousy one at that....

It would be nicer as a building, but I will defend Ken Ellis as having some of the nicest of the downtown parking lots. He uses brick walls, wrought iron fences, decorative lights and nice landscaping. He also spends a lot on seasonal decorations through the year. His ramp behind the Waters Building was nicer than anyone else's when it was built and is still one of the nicest in town.

His one-story deck will look better than most, but the property still could have been much more.

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Ah yes, exactly as I pictured it. This is so stupid I am at a loss for words.

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NIMBY it like you've never NIMBYed before. Please. o_o

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Might be worth stopping by the planning commission meeting today to let them know? :whistling:

That one's up at 3:40, i think the agenda said.

Damn, we should have scheduled a sit and complain at this agenda :lol:

Anyone know what the commission voted?

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Damn, we should have scheduled a sit and complain at this agenda :lol:

Anyone know what the commission voted?

They approved it.

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They approved it.

This may be a stupid question, but I thought I would ask anyways:

Does anyone know if they are adding any extra sctructual support to this ramp? Meaning that the current plan is to add just one level, but is it being built well enough to support additional floors if required or built? For example if in a few years the demand for parking increases enough that a second or third level would be needed are they going to be able to add to the existing structure or will they have to tear this one down to build a taller structure, or worse yet, find yet another lot to build another parking lot on :shok:

I know there is extra cost associated with making a struture that will support two floors verses six floors, but if a study shows there will be a need for more parking in this area over the next few years, it might be worth a little extra money now, verse a whole lot in the years to come.

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This may be a stupid question, but I thought I would ask anyways:

Does anyone know if they are adding any extra sctructual support to this ramp? Meaning that the current plan is to add just one level, but is it being built well enough to support additional floors if required or built? For example if in a few years the demand for parking increases enough that a second or third level would be needed are they going to be able to add to the existing structure or will they have to tear this one down to build a taller structure, or worse yet, find yet another lot to build another parking lot on :shok:

I know there is extra cost associated with making a struture that will support two floors verses six floors, but if a study shows there will be a need for more parking in this area over the next few years, it might be worth a little extra money now, verse a whole lot in the years to come.

That issue actually came up at the meeting last night... Ellis said that he wasn't planning to build it any higher, so no, they're just building enough support structure for the one deck.

I talked to one of the city planners today about it, and he said that it may not go through anyway, because of several concerns MDOT has.

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If it's not built for expansion, then maybe it'll get torn down sooner than later. :D While this is a terrible underuse of that lot, it's not any worse than what's there now. And if they aren't going crazy with the height it won't be as difficult to do something good with this land later.

-nb

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It would be nicer as a building, but I will defend Ken Ellis as having some of the nicest of the downtown parking lots. He uses brick walls, wrought iron fences, decorative lights and nice landscaping. He also spends a lot on seasonal decorations through the year. His ramp behind the Waters Building was nicer than anyone else's when it was built and is still one of the nicest in town.

Agreed. I can't believe how nice the parking decks look here (as compared with the concrete bunkers on the other side of the state).

But why bother putting in a one-story parking deck? Sortof like heating up the oven to cook a single quesadilla.

[does this forum need a Quote of the Month feature??]

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Why not just charge more to use the lot so this huge demand for space will go down? Just supply and demand people -- supply and demand. I'm guessing thoes three kids that skate board around the Courthouse will have something else to grind off of.

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That would work if you didn't want any more people living and working downtown. The fact of the matter is, demand is increasing because there are more people.

If you ask me, that is a good thing and new ramp construction is a good indicator of growth.

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