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I hope the voters in Mass do the same to Kerry that CT did to Liberman when his term is up.

I've been kicking myself for a while now for not voting for Weld in the '96 election against Kerry. The world could have been such a different place. A moderate Republican from Massachusetts in the Senate could have helped temper that party (imagine if McCain had someone else up there on the hill to talk to in his own party). Kerry wouldn't have run in '04 and we could have had a much better candidate emerge. Although that's a bit of a fantasy, the best candidates can't afford to run for anything important.

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This is all so ridiculous.

Lieberman should stand down because all he will do is divide the vote and allow the republicans to win. I would say the same thing if it was the other way (Much like what has happened in Kansas with the Governor race)...

You can not have a multi-party system (as in more than 2) if you don't have proportional representation... so inevitibly, third parties will either be fringe or serve to put politicians in office that only 30-40% of hte populace agree with (like Minnesota in '98 and '02).

Lieberman should bow out.. but not because I think Lamont is right.. but because it's just the right thing to do.

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This is all so ridiculous.

Lieberman should stand down because all he will do is divide the vote and allow the republicans to win. I would say the same thing if it was the other way (Much like what has happened in Kansas with the Governor race)...

You can not have a multi-party system (as in more than 2) if you don't have proportional representation... so inevitibly, third parties will either be fringe or serve to put politicians in office that only 30-40% of hte populace agree with (like Minnesota in '98 and '02).

Lieberman should bow out.. but not because I think Lamont is right.. but because it's just the right thing to do.

except that more than 50% of CT residents (both republicans and democrats) support him... making it almost definite that he will win as an independent. why should he step down?

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joe might be more moderate, but he is still left of center on almost all of the issues.

why are we still polarizing everything to right and left, democrat and repubican? i think that's the biggest mistake we are making as a country, and this whole lieberman thing is playing right into that. he'll win in november because most of CT wants him to win. he lost the primary not because most of CT was against the war but because most CT democrats were against the war (which is less than half of the population of CT) and put the war before all the other issues, which, in my opinion, should not have been forgotten about.

I think you put that very well, and I couldn't agree more on this whole party polarization thing. It's driving me nuts. I used to vote republican, but now I just don't know what party to vote for anymore. Neither one represents my interests.

I for one am sick of "moderates" or "centrists". Pick a side and fight for your core beliefs. Quit trying to straddle the fence and have it both ways...as Joe tried to earlier this week.

What about people who identify with some things from the Democratic side, and some things from the Republican side? Nothing's that black and white, not in politics, not in anything else. I'm frustrated because NEITHER side truly represents my core beliefs, and have heard the same from many others.

Why can't we all just be friends?! :rofl:

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I for one am sick of "moderates" or "centrists". Pick a side and fight for your core beliefs. Quit trying to straddle the fence and have it both ways...as Joe tried to earlier this week. By saying how he really thinks Bush is doing a bad job now about the war. A little bit too late and too transparent Joe. Nice timing too, right before his likely defeat he tries to move in the direction the rest of the Party has already gone to. I am a very progressive Democrat and loathe pretty much everything very conservative Republicans stand for but respect them for standing up for their beliefs just like me. This country is polarized for better or for worse and centrists like Lieberman are going to have to pick a side or get run over and tossed aside.

Maybe you can help me pick a side since I am "trying to straddle the fence". Pro Choice, against gun control, I support decriminalzation of some illegal substances, absolutely against affirmative action, don't believe in big government no matter who is running it.

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Maybe you can help me pick a side since I am "trying to straddle the fence". Pro Choice, against gun control, I support decriminalzation of some illegal substances, absolutely against affirmative action, don't believe in big government no matter who is running it.

Wow...you hit the nail on the head. I am on your side on every single one of those issues, with the (possible) exception of the decriminalization of some drugs. Let me know what he says, I'll join that party too! :rofl:

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Gun control is a red herring. Neither party is going to do anything to stop you from owning a gun.

I think it is pretty clear which way you have to vote if you want the United States to remain, with the rest of the modern word, a pro-choice nation. The decision to have an abortion is a personal one and government should stay out of it despite what certain religious fanatics have to say about it. The same fanatics which, BTW have no problem with the killing of innocent civilians, including children, in unnecessary wars.

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Politics in America have never been a la carte. I am not saying this is good or bad. The multi-party parliamentary system used by our democratic counterparts in Western Europe is equally fractious. But there is a large melting pot that you can choose to dip your toe into: socialists,greens, communists, liberals, conservatives,etc etc etc. And by governing in a unity coalition everyone has somewhat of a say in things. Our country was never set up to be that way. I think its easy to choose when you look at the broad picture and each party's overall philosophy outside of wedge issues. While confessing to personal bias... :P if you have the view that society and government should act in concert to lift all boats and give those that are marginalized assistance and hope and believe America should be symbol of hope and decency around the world vote Democratic. If you don't believe American should be a powerhungry hyperpower bent on Roman Empire hegemoney achieved through invasion and stifling economic pressure vote Democratic. If you are an every man for himself kind of person and screw you I got mine, and believe the US should run around the world and bomb and destroy any country we think is "bad" and have our allies petrified of our next move and everyone else fear and loathe us vote Republican. Are there a few things I don't agree with on the Democratic side? Yes. But I still believe in the the overarching goodness and compassion that Democratic politics are based on. So I support Democrats and don't abandon ship when I don't get my way like Joe Lieberman did today by filing as an Independent. ( I just love this topic by the way I have a Poli Sci degree that I actually used after college to work for Democratic activist groups. I am such a political junkie :ph34r: )

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Wow...you hit the nail on the head. I am on your side on every single one of those issues, with the (possible) exception of the decriminalization of some drugs. Let me know what he says, I'll join that party too! :rofl:

I think there is a party for you; you're a Libertarian.

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I've thought about devoting myself to libertarianism...but it seems a little too extreme on the other end of things. I can buy the basic concepts of the party, though.

libertarianism is too extreme for me as well... i honestly wish more politicians were like lieberman with moderate views and the honesty that he presents. he never hides his views about anything and they never change. he might not fit what many of the democratic "leaders" (i don't consider the democratic party to have any great leaders at the moment, at least not like our friend bill was) want, but on most social issues, he's hand in hand with the democrats.

because our system was "designed" for 2 parties (according to voyager12), there should be more moderate views from the 2 parties, and it used to be more that way years ago, but that's changed. so the parties have alienated all the moderates (and there's a fair amount of us).

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i honestly wish more politicians were like lieberman with moderate views and the honesty that he presents. he never hides his views about anything and they never change.

An advocate for war is not a moderate. Lieberman supported the war in Iraq when there was no justifiable reason for it. Good leaders do everything they can to avoid it and only resort to war when there are no other options because when you have war a lot of innocent people get killed. Lieberman should have been screaming at the top of his lungs to stop GW Bush from going to war, but instead jumped on the Freedom Fries bandwagen when he though it was politically advantageous to do so.

Lieberman is now hiding behind the "centralist" and "moderate" label because he can't honestly justify that vote to give GW Bush free reign to wage war given the horrible and terrible destruction that is taking place there every day. So its easy just to sit there and do nothing rather than to admit the decision was wrong and make a call to get our people out of there. To me this is about as dishonest as it gets. At least with GW Bush you know what you are getting. I am not sure the same can be said for Lieberman.

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Lieberman should have been screaming at the top of his lungs to stop GW Bush from going to war, but instead jumped on the Freedom Fries bandwagen when he though it was politically advantageous to do so.

I am not sure the same can be said for Lieberman.

he was not supporting the war to boost his political ratings, he supported it because he felt it was the right thing to do and he made damn sure we knew that. i lived in CT during the start of the war, and everytime i saw him on tv, he was sure to let us know that he was in favor of the war. in fact, i voted for lieberman 6 years ago, twice. once for vice president and once for senate.

he has made it very well known where he stands on all the issues. he never jumped on any centralist or moderate bandwagon, he was there from the start, long before W ever became president.

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he has made it very well known where he stands on all the issues. he never jumped on any centralist or moderate bandwagon, he was there from the start, long before W ever became president.

If I had to bet my money, I would say that we would have never gone to war with Iraq if Gore/Liberman had actually made it to the Whitehouse and Liberman would have been in a much better position to push for it there than where he is in the Senate.

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If I had to bet my money, I would say that we would have never gone to war with Iraq if Gore/Liberman had actually made it to the Whitehouse and Liberman would have been in a much better position to push for it there than where he is in the Senate.

i agree with that statement. i'm not 100% positive 9/11 would have even happened if gore/lieberman were in the whitehouse.

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Exactly!!! The primary is just a fraction of the democratic voters.

This is right. The more extreme fraction.

How could the democrats not understand this? Watch the new senate have 50 republicans 49 Democrats and 1 independant.

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I think Lieberman is going to have an uphill battle to fund his campaign now and money is the most important thing in politics. The Democratic establishment has rightly abandoned him because he has abandoned the party. Joe would lose face if he dropped out now but if he can' t get the ball rolling in a few weeks, he will see the writing on the wall. I would expect a abandoning of his hail mary run couched in the lie of" going out on my own terms" by mid Sept. Now I will stop rambling, this is normal for when I am on Dailykos, not Urbanplanet :lol:

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^Indeed. Popular though he may be, the only support Lieberman has from the political establishment is coming from the Republican right. That won't play well in as progressive a state as Connecticut. I expect him to be out of the race within a month.

That said, if he is no longer running as a Democrat, the party leadership should remove him from all Senate committee appointments.

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Ned Lamont is a one trick pony. He might throw a minor sound bite pout now and then, but he really only talks about one thing: The War in Iraq. There's a lot more on the table than that, Ned, sorry. I like Joe specifically because he doesn't follow the herd. He does what he thinks is best for his constituents, despite what polls, or papers, or whatever says. I certainly disagree with him on a few things (the War in Iraq included, and I'm a Republican), but at least I know where he stands to agree or disagree with. Where's Ned's stance on anything? He's another follow the herd type of guy, we already have one of those, Chris Dodd. AS far as Lieberman's power getting striupped, it isn't going to happen. I've seen you guys say he'll be neutered and disappear into history, but I'd bet he won't. Politics is a funny thing, todays enemy is tomorrows friend. Just wait until the Democrats want something done, and Joe is a key swing vote, they'll be sucking his ass like there's no tomorrow. Even if he gets elected, he'll still caucus with the Democrats, and he still has friends despite what you guys think. He'll still be quite effective, and maybe even more so, since now the Republicans might slide him a few extra favors to sway his vote. Both sides playing toward the center, I don't have a problem with that. You can also bet that both sides would try to use him to sway some members on the other side to pull a few votes, that's still power guys.

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Indeed. According to the Independent Network News, Karl Rove has already been in contact with Lieberman and said this comes "directly from the oval office". "Anything we can do to help, we will". Gee. Why don't they just run Lieberman as the Republican candidate?

Hey if you guys don't want him, we'll take him. Joe is a good guy, it's a shame the way his party is treating him.

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Hey if you guys don't want him, we'll take him. Joe is a good guy, it's a shame the way his party is treating him.

It's a shame the way he is treating his party. He says he is a Democrat, then he ought to respect the results of the Democratic primary. What he really is, is a politician that will do anything to hang on to power. This is what we need to get rid of in Washington.

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It's a shame the way he is treating his party. He says he is a Democrat, then he ought to respect the results of the Democratic primary. What he really is, is a politician that will do anything to hang on to power. This is what we need to get rid of in Washington.

non-radicals? people who don't play into the 2 party system that no longer works? people who stick to their own beliefs and don't lie about it?

he's with the democrats on the more important issues. he's in favor of ending the war, or at the very least creating a plan to end the war, which is better than most republicans.

i don't buy the whole republican v. democrat crap that the parties like to play. it completely tries to divide the country, making everything black and white. but the issues are not always black and white. the republican and democratic parties are completely alienating the people who are moderate in their beliefs, such as myself. joe is one of those moderate democrats. it's a shame his party has to be so divisive and completely abandon an important senator.

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It's a shame the way he is treating his party. He says he is a Democrat, then he ought to respect the results of the Democratic primary. What he really is, is a politician that will do anything to hang on to power. This is what we need to get rid of in Washington.

Honestly asking, I dont know this issue as well as any of you, but how did his party treat him? I know the left side of the party was behind lamont. How much money did they feed his campaign and where would it have gone without national democratic funding and support? I think I heard Lamont was independently wealthy; did he fund his own campaign entirely?

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It's a shame the way he is treating his party. He says he is a Democrat, then he ought to respect the results of the Democratic primary. What he really is, is a politician that will do anything to hang on to power. This is what we need to get rid of in Washington.

I could say it's a shame the way the party has treated Joe. What the CT Democratic Party should be concetrating on is unseating Nancy Johnson, CHris Shays and ROb Simmons, not unseating one of their own. Lamont showing up in the Hartford Courant with Lowell Weicker was the over the line for me, showing me he willliterally kiss Satan toget intopower. Lowell Weicker was the worst politician this State has ever had, to show up with old sell-out-your-mother-for-a-favor was a bad move, in my opinion.....

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