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i don't understand how its going to make money if it isn't open to the public. Is the business model really that five floors of hotel rooms will be bought out by folks and their kids who will use the water park? I'm really confused. How could he possibly not care if the casino is built? who the heck is going to go there, and stay overnight, in west warwick? please explain. thanks.

I'm thinking that they will also advertise live "Frogger" across I-95 for families with too many kids.

(this post is reflective of the afternoon I'm having, sorry)

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it's the type of venue that targets residents from bordering States. They clearly said that the concept works in many other parts of the country and there is zero competition (of it's type) in New England. Think about what you are saying here people - this is a 100% FAMILY (specifically young families with kids!) - why would they be banking on the casino??? They made that very clear last night as well. They are targeting CT/MA resident young families for a 2 or 3 night weekend get-a-way type vacation. The summer and vacation weeks/holiday weeks are peak, whereas 'normal' winter weeks are dead (30-40% occupancy). The company mentioned that this is where they typically offer huge discounts to local residents to use the facility. Traffic to the site will genberate 500 cars per day peak (including employees) but those are scattered throughout the day as people arrive at the hotel. It's a $100 million dollar project that could have easily gone somewhere else in New England, and if don't you think they would build in N. Stonington if they were interested in the casino scene - there are 2 already in that area and they are already built!

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i don't understand how its going to make money if it isn't open to the public. Is the business model really that five floors of hotel rooms will be bought out by folks and their kids who will use the water park? I'm really confused. How could he possibly not care if the casino is built? who the heck is going to go there, and stay overnight, in west warwick? please explain. thanks.

oops. guess i should have read the whole thread. Guess i'm not the only one who thinks this is a dumb business model. :wacko:

It's no differant than taking the family down to the CT casinos for a couple days (which I've done seceral times and had a blast). The kids swim in the pool, we eat at the wide choice of restaurants, trek down to Mystic (to get Mystic pizza of course), etc. People from MA/CT will come here to stay at this place, drive down to Newport for the day, etc. I can also see this becomming a very popular 'value added' peice of a longer vacation - people visit RI from all over, they might choose to have part of thier stay bre here.

I guess I understand this concept more intimately since I'm in the travel/tourism biz...

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It's no differant than taking the family down to the CT casinos for a couple days (which I've done seceral times and had a blast). The kids swim in the pool, we eat at the wide choice of restaurants, trek down to Mystic (to get Mystic pizza of course), etc. People from MA/CT will come here to stay at this place, drive down to Newport for the day, etc. I can also see this becomming a very popular 'value added' peice of a longer vacation - people visit RI from all over, they might choose to have part of thier stay bre here.

I guess I understand this concept more intimately since I'm in the travel/tourism biz...

I really hope it's successful, but what I'm saying is that there is no real need for a closed-off resort in this area. I understand why they like the spot, but it's not because people are going to go out and support other areas of the state. It's because it is easy to get to and I suspect because people can quickly get to Rt. 2 crap-o-rama. I don't think people are really going to go to this place, then pack their kids in the car to come up and flavor Providence's restaurants.

That's all well and good, but I don't think it's as good news for the area as something like just a regular amusement or water park, which is what we originally thought we were getting. Hence the disappointment, I think.

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That's all well and good, but I don't think it's as good news for the area as something like just a regular amusement or water park, which is what we originally thought we were getting. Hence the disappointment, I think.

I agree with this statement completely, but I'm still happy they might be coming to RI/WW. It adds to the portfolio of things for visitors to do in RI and more importantly fills a gaping hole in things to do for families with small children. I think its great for the big picture, not so much for the individual project as it relates to RI residents...

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I agree with this statement completely, but I'm still happy they might be coming to RI/WW. It adds to the portfolio of things for visitors to do in RI and more importantly fills a gaping hole in things to do for families with small children. I think its great for the big picture, not so much for the individual project as it relates to RI residents...

it's only another thing for visitors to do in RI if they specifically come to RI and stay there. otherwise, with their current plan, you can't visit the place without staying there as well. that totally defeats the purpose of it if you ask me... come enjoy our water park, but you have to stay here in order to do that... but then go to the mediocre chain restaurants on rt 2 for dinner... sounds like a blast. :unsure:

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it's only another thing for visitors to do in RI if they specifically come to RI and stay there. otherwise, with their current plan, you can't visit the place without staying there as well. that totally defeats the purpose of it if you ask me... come enjoy our water park, but you have to stay here in order to do that... but then go to the mediocre chain restaurants on rt 2 for dinner... sounds like a blast. :unsure:

Indeed, I'd rather go to the New Hampshire Lakes Region than WW, and I live what, 15 minutes from WW? There's plenty of family activities in the Lakes Region, and you aren't forced to stay in stripmallistan. I really don't see the attraction for a family from say the Cape, or SE CT to travel to WW, even in the winter which is the only time it will actually be unique, to stay here. Don't most families go to Florida, or go skiing?

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Indeed, I'd rather go to the New Hampshire Lakes Region than WW, and I live what, 15 minutes from WW? There's plenty of family activities in the Lakes Region, and you aren't forced to stay in stripmallistan. I really don't see the attraction for a family from say the Cape, or SE CT to travel to WW, even in the winter which is the only time it will actually be unique, to stay here. Don't most families go to Florida, or go skiing?

some families don't go skiing or go to florida (i really hate florida). i think as a standalone place where you wouldn't haev to stay, it'd be great.

so what is this family stuff in the lakes region other than the lake? i'm actually headed back up there again in about a week to go camping in wolfeboro.

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it'll be an absolute failure - the investors coming up with the $100 million must be clueless.

This park isn't meant to draw locals - the people in VT/NH feel the same way you feel about this - they don't want to visit something in their backyards either. Having 2 kids and visited NH at least 10 times (North Conway/storyland/mt. wash./wales tales water park, etc.) with them, let me tell you that stripmallville is exactly what that whole are is (besides a few local resteaurants - which this area of WW/EG has as well).

I'm not trying to convince you to like the project or even think its going to be a success, but believe me when I tell you, this concept is a growing trend in regional vacations/get-a-ways and we should at least be glad they chose RI to invest their money in.

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some families don't go skiing or go to florida

My family didn't go skiing or go to Florida either when I was a kid, we were too po'. Which, not to cast aspersions about this company but... Having it open only to people staying in the hotel ensures that families from South Providence and Central Falls won't be using this ammenity. I'm just putting that out there.

the investors coming up with the $100 million must be clueless.

There are plenty of people who have $100million to throw around who are clueless, just because someone's willing to spend a lot of money, doesn't make it fail-proof. Though, I haven't said I think it will fail, just that I wouldn't want to be locked into that, and many of the people I know wouldn't either. And frankly, it makes me sad that there are some people who would be attracted to this type of resort. There's a big wide world out there, and New England has a myriad of experiences to offer residents and visitors. I'm sad to see the all-inclusive resort trend come here.

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it's only another thing for visitors to do in RI if they specifically come to RI and stay there. otherwise, with their current plan, you can't visit the place without staying there as well. that totally defeats the purpose of it if you ask me...

Agree. I was excited when I first heard the proposal, for exactly the reason that it added to our "portfolio," as we're calling it -- our tourism portfolio, Rhode Island as a destination, etc. But this news about an Shipwreck Falls being an exclusive resort absolutely kills that notion. You can't come to Rhode Island to visit Rhode Island, maybe visiting Shipwreck Falls along the way: no, you have to come to Rhode Island to visit Shipwreck Falls, maybe visiting Rhode Island along the way. That, I think, is very disappointing.

Hopefully the SF folks reconsider.

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And PS, how much money is there to be made in something like this? Why don't the Harrahgansetts try something like this? No need to amend the constitution. Hell, I'd be for giving the Harrahgansetts tax incentives to get something like this (provided it was open to the general public) off the ground.

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I agree with this statement completely, but I'm still happy they might be coming to RI/WW. It adds to the portfolio of things for visitors to do in RI and more importantly fills a gaping hole in things to do for families with small children. I think its great for the big picture, not so much for the individual project as it relates to RI residents...

it isn't a thing to do for families with small children. It is a place to stay for families with small children, but it isn't a new thing for families to do, just a new place for families to stay. I think there's a big difference there. I can certainly envision a scenario where a family stays there and while one parent goes to the casino, another one stays at the water park. Or maybe there will be babysitting at the waterpark so that both parents can go to the casino. That would be a hoot! Oh, but this doesn't have anything to do with a casino... :whistling:

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My family didn't go skiing or go to Florida either when I was a kid, we were too po'. Which, not to cast aspersions about this company but... Having it open only to people staying in the hotel ensures that families from South Providence and Central Falls won't be using this ammenity. I'm just putting that out there.

but you grew up on the cape... you didn't need florida. :P

we never went skiing, although i started when i was in college and now i go all the time. i plan on making my kids learn at a young age (when i have kids that is).

and yes, not being open to the general public will ensure that the lower income residents of the state won't be able to go there.

And PS, how much money is there to be made in something like this? Why don't the Harrahgansetts try something like this? No need to amend the constitution. Hell, I'd be for giving the Harrahgansetts tax incentives to get something like this (provided it was open to the general public) off the ground.

there's more money to be made if the general public can go... but if not, then i don't think it'd be worth it, casino or not.

i do have the feeling that during the winter, they might open it to the public and keep it exclusive in the summer (i'd rather be at an outdoor waterpark in the summer anyways, unless it's raining that is).

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but you grew up on the cape... you didn't need florida. :P

Yes, we didn't have a lot of money, but I was blessed to basically grow up on the beach. My childhood summers were the envy of many. A lot of my friends went to Disney during February vacation though, and I went to elementary school in one of the wealthiest villages on the Cape, so I did feel a little left out at times.

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Yes, we didn't have a lot of money, but I was blessed to basically grow up on the beach. My childhood summers were the envy of many. A lot of my friends went to Disney during February vacation though, and I went to elementary school in one of the wealthiest villages on the Cape, so I did feel a little left out at times.

would you like a casino to make up for it? I can try to get a constitutional amendment for ya...

:rofl:

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would you like a casino to make up for it? I can try to get a constitutional amendment for ya...

:rofl:

A casino sounds like far too much work, can't someone on the Hill just give me some money, I promise I'll vote for them at least once if they do.

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it'll be an absolute failure - the investors coming up with the $100 million must be clueless.

This park isn't meant to draw locals - the people in VT/NH feel the same way you feel about this - they don't want to visit something in their backyards either. Having 2 kids and visited NH at least 10 times (North Conway/storyland/mt. wash./wales tales water park, etc.) with them, let me tell you that stripmallville is exactly what that whole are is (besides a few local resteaurants - which this area of WW/EG has as well).

I'm not trying to convince you to like the project or even think its going to be a success, but believe me when I tell you, this concept is a growing trend in regional vacations/get-a-ways and we should at least be glad they chose RI to invest their money in.

First off the Company that is proposing the WW waterpark doesn't own or operate any resorts yet. Their waterpark development team consists of two guys, one of whom just graduated from college. Their website indicates they have one other resort planned and that is in Sandusky, Ohio, which apparently is a vacation destinaton for Ohioans, with a number of amusement parks and waterparks... which does not describe West Warwick to me. As to the bigger issue, I have no doubt that these resorts can succeed but do we have any examples of them suceeding within 1) a half hour drive of the ocean and 2) as a stand alone destination?

Finally, have these folks actually invested their money? Do they own the property, sign a P+S, or merely express an interest in building? Unless they currently own the property, I still think they are gone if the ballot measure fails.

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First off the Company that is proposing the WW waterpark doesn't own or operate any resorts yet. Their waterpark development team consists of two guys, one of whom just graduated from college. Their website indicates they have one other resort planned and that is in Sandusky, Ohio, which apparently is a vacation destinaton for Ohioans, with a number of amusement parks and waterparks... which does not describe West Warwick to me. As to the bigger issue, I have no doubt that these resorts can succeed but do we have any examples of them suceeding within 1) a half hour drive of the ocean and 2) as a stand alone destination?

Finally, have these folks actually invested their money? Do they own the property, sign a P+S, or merely express an interest in building? Unless they currently own the property, I still think they are gone if the ballot measure fails.

sandusky is right on lake erie. there are beaches around there i believe.

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