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I was also thinking about Frontier having major operations here or possibly moving the HQ here then I saw this article.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/04/11/us.fr...=rss_topstories

Frontier has a full plate right now.

Wow, even the smaller carriers are having problems........ I have a solution. Its called Alaska, Midwest, and Gulf of Mexico.

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Before jumping into the hot topic, I must say that I'm very impressed with the look of the new parking garage. This is a very attractive "front door" for MEM, and I think it shows that MEM is moving in the right aesthetic direction. Now let's find some new designs for terminal improvements!!

OK, on to the NW/DL merger. If/when it is approved by the DOJ, I honestly would not jump to the conclusion that MEM is out the door. I'm not going to be ignorantly optimistic like some officials in the CA who spoke of how MEM is safe and is guaranteed to see growth with the merger; however, I'd ask everyone to be slightly realistic. ATL is approaching max capacity (contrary to what some earlier poster seems to believe). Further, while MEM and ATL slightly overlap, ATL is definitely entrenched in the Southeast whereas MEM is further to the west. This could enable MEM to capture westbound traffic rather than cause travelers to backtrack through ATL. At the same time, MEM is the most marginally profitable NW hub due to extremely low costs.

IMO, it is not a question of MEM against ATL; it is one of MEM against CVG (Cincinnati). In this duel, you have to compare a SLIGHTLY higher O&D market at CVG as opposed to better weather and much lower operating costs at MEM. Furthermore, you have CVG, DTW, MSP, an IND focus city, and one could even say JFK all overlapping each other with the "new" Delta as opposed to just ATL and MEM overlapping. Further, DTW, MSP, and JFK could easily absorb CVG traffic. ATL can't exactly do this with MEM. I personally don't feel 100% secure in the MEM hub status, but at the same time, I feel a lot more comfortable with this merger than some residents in Ohio should be feeling.

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I was also thinking about Frontier having major operations here or possibly moving the HQ here then I saw this article.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/04/11/us.fr...=rss_topstories

Frontier has a full plate right now.

Their initial foray into MEM certainly indicates interest here. I am hoping for a rapid recovery in their financials, and hopefully they'll resume their MEM plans.

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Before jumping into the hot topic, I must say that I'm very impressed with the look of the new parking garage. This is a very attractive "front door" for MEM, and I think it shows that MEM is moving in the right aesthetic direction. Now let's find some new designs for terminal improvements!!

OK, on to the NW/DL merger. If/when it is approved by the DOJ, I honestly would not jump to the conclusion that MEM is out the door. I'm not going to be ignorantly optimistic like some officials in the CA who spoke of how MEM is safe and is guaranteed to see growth with the merger; however, I'd ask everyone to be slightly realistic. ATL is approaching max capacity (contrary to what some earlier poster seems to believe). Further, while MEM and ATL slightly overlap, ATL is definitely entrenched in the Southeast whereas MEM is further to the west. This could enable MEM to capture westbound traffic rather than cause travelers to backtrack through ATL. At the same time, MEM is the most marginally profitable NW hub due to extremely low costs.

IMO, it is not a question of MEM against ATL; it is one of MEM against CVG (Cincinnati). In this duel, you have to compare a SLIGHTLY higher O&D market at CVG as opposed to better weather and much lower operating costs at MEM. Furthermore, you have CVG, DTW, MSP, an IND focus city, and one could even say JFK all overlapping each other with the "new" Delta as opposed to just ATL and MEM overlapping. Further, DTW, MSP, and JFK could easily absorb CVG traffic. ATL can't exactly do this with MEM. I personally don't feel 100% secure in the MEM hub status, but at the same time, I feel a lot more comfortable with this merger than some residents in Ohio should be feeling.

I don't know. As a garage, it's nice. But it's no front door. That image obscures the architecture of the terminal. Maybe it's not reflective of the final arrangement, but I'd like the garage to complement the architectural uniqueness of the terminals (and hopefully as time goes by, we see either an expansion or renovation of the exterior of the concourses as well), not obscure it. It's like you have to go through a wall of trees to see a mansion.

It seems that with CVG, Indy, Minneapolis, and Detroit so clustered together, there would be some reduction amongst those four.

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Their initial foray into MEM certainly indicates interest here. I am hoping for a rapid recovery in their financials, and hopefully they'll resume their MEM plans.

Now since it seems apparent Delta & NWA will merge what does this mean for Pinnacle Airlines? They seem to be quite about this whole thing. They seem to be doing well and their numbers are increases. Hmmm could they possibly buy Frontier Airlines? This may seem unrealistic, but it may not be a bad move for Pinnacle.

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I agree with Clobber, they could make the garage look more in tune with the terminal, but at any rate, if they were to stick to that design I would be fine with it. It looks really nice, and it kind of goes with One Beale with the glass facade. If anybody hasn't read the rest of that news letter they should. It has an article with the progress going on around the airport and a pdf file on facts about KMEM as well.

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I don't know. As a garage, it's nice. But it's no front door. That image obscures the architecture of the terminal. Maybe it's not reflective of the final arrangement, but I'd like the garage to complement the architectural uniqueness of the terminals (and hopefully as time goes by, we see either an expansion or renovation of the exterior of the concourses as well), not obscure it. It's like you have to go through a wall of trees to see a mansion.

I agree. From what I can tell it will obscure the uniqueness of the terminal, which to some may be dated, but to some - like me- is a strong image of the terminal's architectural value. I have no issue with the garage, but if it is going to obscure the terminal I would prefer to see in the final design the use of non-transparent glass on the facade so it looks more like a building and less like a well lit parking garage. Don't get me wrong, it's a very nice design for a parking garage and we could do much worse, but I do think the design could be improved upon with a few tweaks to be a much nicer final project. Problem is that it would also probably be more costly, so I realize this limitation as well.

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I agree with Clobber, they could make the garage look more in tune with the terminal, but at any rate, if they were to stick to that design I would be fine with it. It looks really nice, and it kind of goes with One Beale with the glass facade. If anybody hasn't read the rest of that news letter they should. It has an article with the progress going on around the airport and a pdf file on facts about KMEM as well.

I like the glass; I guess I wish it was split down the middle so you can see the terminal or somehow when approaching, it framed the rest of the property somehow. I dunno. It's much better than I expected in and of itself.

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I agree. From what I can tell it will obscure the uniqueness of the terminal, which to some may be dated, but to some - like me- is a strong image of the terminal's architectural value.

I think the original terminal design is great. It was built 45 years ago and to me still has great architectual integrity in the sense that it offers the best of that era. When it was built, it garnered all sorts of rewards. The terminal problems seem to be mostly interior design problems.

Building that parking garage in front of it to me is like putting vinyl siding on an old house to make it appear more "updated", then realizing twenty years later your mistake.

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I think the original terminal design is great. It was built 45 years ago and to me still has great architectual integrity in the sense that it offers the best of that era. When it was built, it garnered all sorts of rewards. The terminal problems seem to be mostly interior design problems.

Building that parking garage in front of it to me is like putting vinyl siding on an old house to make it appear more "updated", then realizing twenty years later your mistake.

I have to disagree. This design is very modern, plus the parking is needed. I believe it makes the entrance to the airport much more appealing. This is where the parking garage had to be built, and the designers have done a great job of making it appealing to the eye...

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I like the design of our airport. I see a few hints of that design within the new garage but I think if the garage has to be built... it should not screw up the original building.

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It's too late now, but maybe they could've incorporated the martini glass theme in a classy non-cheesy manner. It's like putting up tall gorgeous flowered hedges in front of the columned entrance of a house. But, if that's the only place to put it and there was no way to build it without obstructing the view . . . I guess it's the next best option. It in and of itself, for its purpose, is nice.

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McAllen??? Lubbock I know, is McAllen in West Texas I presume?

Found the 40% increase in capacity at MEM to serve the hub network an intersesting figure I had no idea would be developing after the merger. Seems like increased capacity if filled with customers making connections will work out nicely. The addition of the flight to JFK is nice too, I might use that sometime.

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McAllen is in south Texas in highly populated Hidalgo County near Harlingen and Brownsville (the latter in Cameron County). The metro area population is around 950,000 and Matamoros and Reynosa across the border also contain about a million people. American and Continental currently serve Miller Intl Airport in McAllen (MFE). Southwest and Continental Express serve nearby Valley Intl Airport in Harlingen (HRL) and FedEx serves HRL direct from MEM as well. Continental Express is the only air carrier at Brownsville Intl closer to the coast.

Pinnacle used to fly the CRJ200 from MEM to MFE until a few years ago. Hopefully Delta will market this service better than NWA did. If this is the start of Delta's "Southwestern Strategy," perhaps we might see new service from Memphis to one or more of Amarillo, El Paso, Midland-Odessa, Albuquerque, Tucson, Laredo in regional jets and Longview, Lake Charles, and Texarkana in the Saabs.

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^Near Brownsville, okay gotcha. This sounds like a good area for Delta to have expanded into then, Texas and the Southwest as a whole offers a host of great markets to expand into as you listed.

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Looks like MEM's east-west runway 9-27 will be getting a rework next year and upgraded to a concrete surface vs. the current asphalt, according to the Memphis Daily News. It's interesting timing for this as I seem to recall in 2004 or '05 that runway was shut down for a period of time for repaving. Perhaps the transition to heavier aircraft (757/777 purchases) necessitated 9-27 being concrete to hold the higher weights. No word yet as to whether the airport will upgrade the approach lighting system or add centerline lights to make this a Cat 2 or Cat 3 runway in the future.

http://www.memphisdailynews.com/editorial/...e.aspx?id=39679

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Looks like its coming along pretty well. That time lapse was fun to watch. :) Actually just got back from the airport tonight. That terminal still amazes me. Just the right size. Easy in and easy out. As I was headin back down Plough, I saw the A-330 to Amesterdam take off.

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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports Memphis officials are using a feud between Atlanta and Delta over costs to lobby Delta for more flights out of here. Our regional chamber is also in the mix and they break down the Memphis cost advantage. Interesting and timely: http://www.ajc.com/search/content//busines...is_atlanta.html

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Multiple media sources covered it, but Delta announced addition of twice-daily service between Memphis and Golden Triangle Airport serving Columbus, West Point, and Starkville, MS. Looks like the service will be operated by Mesaba in the Saab 340. Good to see this service return as NW Airlink had not served GTR in several years. From the Columbus Commercial Dispatch: http://www.cdispatch.com/articles/2009/01/...ews/local02.txt

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I have been in and out of the Memphis Airport quite frequently recently and noticed the total lack of use of a prime area in the terminal. The second story walk-way space in the eastern end of the terminal seems like an excellent area to develop for displays and/or exibits of local art, history, etc. All that is up there currently is a single small display of copies of random historical documents from WWII and other periods at the top of the steps. Anyone know or remember if this second story walkway has ever been used and/or had a purpose in years past? Clearly has none now.

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