SkyHouse Charlotte, Publix and 10Tryon Tower in 4th Ward

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, XRZ.ME said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2019/12/13/publix-confirms-deal-in-place-for-uptown-store.html

Publix confirmed 10 Tryon store.

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[Brendv7]

This is huge for that area!!

[Dale]

Only three years in the making ? That’s lightening fast for Publix.

[KJHburg]

1 hour ago, XRZ.ME said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/news/2019/12/13/publix-confirms-deal-in-place-for-uptown-store.html

Publix confirmed 10 Tryon store.

well I am glad they have confirmed what we have known for the past  year.  Publix is SLOW in building stores sometimes. 

says 15 story office building does that include parking floors stacked above the Publix with office space above the parking levels??

Edited December 13, 2019 by KJHburg

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

well I am glad they have confirmed what we have known for the past  year.  Publix is SLOW in building stores sometimes. 

says 15 story office building does that include parking floors stacked above the Publix with office space above the parking levels??

The press release was very unclear and really only addressed Publix. 

[DMann]

My understanding is that Publix is the catalyst for the entire development.  I believe that Furman has clients lined up for the office building but needed the 28k for the grocer to justify the parking for the entire project.

[videtur quam contuor]

Parking? For Publix? While thinking about that I wonder what is the parking use for the Whole Foods on Stonewall? I have been there by car twice and there was plenty of parking in their small area.  Can anyone determine what proportion of clients arrive by auto?

How much parking would Publix need/expect at the skyhouse location?

[Dale]

1 hour ago, tarhoosier said:

Parking? For Publix? While thinking about that I wonder what is the parking use for the Whole Foods on Stonewall? I have been there by car twice and there was plenty of parking in their small area.  Can anyone determine what proportion of clients arrive by auto?

How much parking would Publix need/expect at the skyhouse location?

I could see cars descending en masse for a new Publix.

[atlrvr]

The small Harris Teeter in 4th Ward wasn't built with enough parking even though they have about 40 dedicated retail spaces in the 5th& Popular condo deck.  Harris Teeter has to lease dedicated spaces in the surface lot Pine, and even that can get nearly full around after work hours.

This Publix is over twice the sq ft, and I would assume require at least 90.  FWIW, the East Blvd Teeter which I think is a 55k sq ft store has approx 200 spaces for the Teeter and still can be completely full.

The good news is some of the Publix spaces can be shared with the office, which is why they needed this lease signed, because their parking split helps subsidize the office parking cost to a economic level, given this office space will be at a rent discount to the other new Class A Uptown office buildings.

[Spartan]

If you ever want Charlotte to be truly walkable, you have to have less parking so that walking/biking, etc. becomes a better option. If you make it easy to park, people will drive. Period. 

 

I would wager most of the uptown HT's customers walk there, but it's hard to say.

[Dale]

8 minutes ago, Spartan said:

If you ever want Charlotte to be truly walkable, you have to have less parking so that walking/biking, etc. becomes a better option. If you make it easy to park, people will drive. Period. 

 

I would wager most of the uptown HT's customers walk there, but it's hard to say.

HT has a tiny parking deck which appears to only increase congestion around the store.

[urbanlover568]

Urban grocery stores are for people in the city, to make it more walkable. Some people here in Seattle don't have cars because of the walkability. I am really excited that uptown got another grocer!  

[KJHburg]

I think this store will attract drivers if they validate which I am sure they will as there are NO grocery stores up along N Graham and N Statesville except for Waynes and not really any options in Belmont either and those areas are starting to see infill and more is coming.   as other stores open the parking demands will decrease.  Publix prices being what they are compared to Whole Foods will attract more shoppers.  

[urbanlover568]

While this is good for the short term, long term it could be a handicap. Mega-cities like Miami, NYC, Seattle, and Chicago all have transit oriented urban planning. When you develop a area towards cars, you will be at a disadvantage years down the road. I think Charlotte has taken huge steps towards mass transit, but much more is to be done. If this is going to attract folks who don't have mass transit, that's fantastic. It should be seen as another amenity uptown can offer for prospects. 

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

23 minutes ago, mpretori said:

While this is good for the short term, long term it could be a handicap. Mega-cities like Miami, NYC, Seattle, and Chicago all have transit oriented urban planning. When you develop a area towards cars, you will be at a disadvantage years down the road. I think Charlotte has taken huge steps towards mass transit, but much more is to be done. If this is going to attract folks who don't have mass transit, that's fantastic. It should be seen as another amenity uptown can offer for prospects. 

Eh Miami is a pretty auto centric metro. 

[urbanlover568]

1 minute ago, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

Eh Miami is a pretty auto centric metro. 

I know several in Brickell who don't have cars. They are investing billions in partnership with Virgin to connect parts of the city and to Disney and beyond. 

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

Just now, mpretori said:

I know several in Brickell who don't have cars. They are investing billions in partnership with Virgin to connect parts of the city and to Disney and beyond. 

Well they aren't per se. The Brightline already goes to WPB. Outside Downtown and to a lesser extent south beach,  Miami is one of the most car dependent areas in the country. 

 

[urbanlover568]

1 minute ago, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

Well they aren't per se. The Brightline already goes to WPB. Outside Downtown and to a lesser extent south beach,  Miami is one of the most car dependent areas in the country. 

 

LOL ok....

https://www.walkscore.com/FL/Miami

 

https://www.walkscore.com/NC/Charlotte

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

 

14 minutes ago, mpretori said:

LOL ok....

https://www.walkscore.com/FL/Miami

 

https://www.walkscore.com/NC/Charlotte

Sure, it has density, but the development is still care centric. 

And I'm not comparing it to Charlotte I'm just saying if you are going to use 4 examples of dense non car dependent metro areas Miami woudn't be on my list. 

Edited December 15, 2019 by CarolinaDaydreamin

[urbanlover568]

1 minute ago, CarolinaDaydreamin said:

 

Sure, it has density, but the development is still care centric. 

And I'm not comparing it to Charlotte I'm just saying if you are going to use 4 examples of dense non car dependent metro areas Miami woudn't be on my list. 

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Miami is the 4th most walkable large city in the US with 399,457 residents.

https://www.walkscore.com/FL/Miami

[CarolinaDaydreamin]

3 minutes ago, mpretori said:

https://www.walkscore.com/FL/Miami

Oh ok thanks for sending that again... 

57 Transit score...

Edited December 15, 2019 by CarolinaDaydreamin

[Cadi40]

As a previous resident of South Florida, Miami Beach and the other Downtown area is extremely walkable. Outside of that, it’s a largely car dependent city. 

Edited December 15, 2019 by Cadi40

[urbanlover568]

4 minutes ago, Cadi40 said:

As a previous resident of South Florida, Miami Beach and the other Downtown area is extremely walkable. Outside of that, it’s a largely car dependent city. 

Got to love the suburbs 

[KJHburg]

I went to 2 urban Publixes in Brickell in downtown Miami one had a garage as was on the ground floor of a tall condo tower and other on the edge of Brickell had a surface lot right by the Metro rail.

Anyway this Charlotte uptown Publix needs parking for the foreseeable future as I mentioned there is quite a food desert to the north and northeast of uptown this store will serve that community as well as those that can walk.  One idea I saw from my last trip to Miami was a walk up window for subs in the Brickell location.  Love to see that on Tryon. 

the new downtown Raleigh Publix store in the Peace project will have parking too. http://www.clinedesignassoc.com/projects/peace

As for Whole Foods uptown I have seen people drive there (other than me) as they live in close in neighborhoods nearby.  a car is necessary in Charlotte for the long foreseeable future whether some like or not.  

Edited December 15, 2019 by KJHburg

[urbanlover568]

14 minutes ago, KJHburg said:

I went to 2 urban Publixes in Brickell in downtown Miami one had a garage as was on the ground floor of a tall condo tower and other on the edge of Brickell had a surface lot right by the Metro rail.

Anyway this Charlotte uptown Publix needs parking for the foreseeable future as I mentioned there is quite a food desert to the north and northeast of uptown this store will serve that community as well as those that can walk.  One idea I saw from my last trip to Miami was a walk up window for subs in the Brickell location.  Love to see that on Tryon. 

the new downtown Raleigh Publix store in the Peace project will have parking too.  As for Whole Foods uptown I have seen people drive there (other than me) as they live in close in neighborhoods nearby.  a car is necessary in Charlotte for the long foreseeable future whether some like or not.  

Nobody is talking about not having a parking garage. If you are going to have the bolded mindset, then cars paradise for the future! Thankfully here in Seattle, CEO's and City Leaders put a emphasis on mass transit. Soon light rail will go from the airport all the way to Microsoft in Redmond.  

 

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by mpretori