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35 minutes ago, mpretori said:

Nobody is talking about not having a parking garage. If you are going to have the bolded mindset, then cars paradise for the future! Thankfully here in Seattle, CEO's and City Leaders put a emphasis on mass transit. Soon light rail will go from the airport all the way to Microsoft in Redmond.  

 

 

Such an apples to oranges comparison it’s stupid. 

Good luck getting tenants (or financing) without parking in Charlotte. 

Keep increasing density and keep reasonably expanding transit and progress will continue. That’s the path Charlotte is on and that’s great.   I’d love transit to be more of a focus but it’s a difficult balance. 

Cities like Seattle have a several decades head start. It is what it is 

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Have not seen this new brochure with the dates of opening and construction all laid out.  Who is this 55,000 sq ft office anchor tenant is that Bank of America as rumored?   Very interesting and

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Welp, they just applied for building permits today.

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Looking up Church Street and those SkyHouses are really big when you look at them this way. Over 700 apartments in the 2 towers. 

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Such an apples to oranges comparison it’s stupid. 

Good luck getting tenants (or financing) without parking in Charlotte. 

Keep increasing density and keep reasonably expanding transit and progress will continue. That’s the path Charlotte is on and that’s great.   I’d love transit to be more of a focus but it’s a difficult balance. 

Cities like Seattle have a several decades head start. It is what it is 

The poster said Charlotte would be a car dependent city in the long term. If you are going to have a mindset of cars first, then that's what you will get. Seattle was about the same size as Charlotte once  upon a time, before Amazon's boom. Seattle took drastic steps towards infrastructure investment. 

 

Edit: If you watched the video, Expedia still has a parking garage, it's just market rate. BUT they were able to add a beautiful park that would have been taken up by a parking deck if they gave everyone in the company a free parking spot. The majority of the workforce take mass transit or carpool. May as well build something in the suburbs where most activities require a car.

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On 12/14/2019 at 10:22 PM, mpretori said:

The poster said Charlotte would be a car dependent city in the long term. If you are going to have a mindset of cars first, then that's what you will get. Seattle was about the same size as Charlotte once  upon a time, before Amazon's boom. Seattle took drastic steps towards infrastructure investment. 

 

Edit: If you watched the video, Expedia still has a parking garage, it's just market rate. BUT they were able to add a beautiful park that would have been taken up by a parking deck if they gave everyone in the company a free parking spot. The majority of the workforce take mass transit or carpool. May as well build something in the suburbs where most activities require a car.


The poster was right though. Publix is serving the market today. Not 30 years from now. And even though publix and other developments are building big parking decks. Ironically, it will move Charlotte to be less auto-oriented as people will be like “oh, Uptown has Whole Foods and other amenities”. 
 

IMO. The parking decks are like seeds. As long as they are done correctly, put the damn seeds in the ground and let it grow into a big tree. 
 

There’s an example not too far up in the capital of NC that shows what happens when you try to force urbanity the way some of you guys think it can happen overnight. 
 

https://www.planning.org/greatplaces/streets/2018/fayetteville/

Fayetteville Street was closed to automobile traffic to promote a great urban and pedestrian area. It actually killed business and became lifeless. When they reopened it to automobile traffic in the 2000’s, it exploded again. 

Moral of story. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good...

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I live three blocks from this, so this Publix will likely be my go-to grocery store, but there certainly are practical reasons to accommodate for cars to some degree, regardless of the level of urbanity.  I won’t make it home on a 100F day without my ice cream reverting to milk.  It’s gonna downpour occasionally.  And I’ll most likely stop in to pick things up on my drive home.  Will I walk there?  Absolutely.  Will I always walk there?  Hard no. 

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From permitting app:

Sounds a little different from renderings we've seen so far. 

"Ten Tryon will be a mixed-use high-rise located on North Tryon Street, between 9th and 10th Streets. It will have a three level parking garage over a ground floor grocery store. There will be a large open-air terrace on top of the parking garage with a single story restaurant/entertainment building on the 10th Street end, and an office tower on the 9th Street end.
 
The project will be phased and submitted for permits in separate packages. Phase 1 will include Levels 1-6, which includes the grocery shell, parking, and additional shell/core spaces for the office tower, Level 6 restaurant, and ground level retail. Phase 2 will include the office tower and upfit of spaces associated with that use in Phase 1."

 

 

 

 

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From permitting app:

Sounds a little different from renderings we've seen so far. 

"Ten Tryon will be a mixed-use high-rise located on North Tryon Street, between 9th and 10th Streets. It will have a three level parking garage over a ground floor grocery store. There will be a large open-air terrace on top of the parking garage with a single story restaurant/entertainment building on the 10th Street end, and an office tower on the 9th Street end.
 
The project will be phased and submitted for permits in separate packages. Phase 1 will include Levels 1-6, which includes the grocery shell, parking, and additional shell/core spaces for the office tower, Level 6 restaurant, and ground level retail. Phase 2 will include the office tower and upfit of spaces associated with that use in Phase 1."

 

 

 

 

Interesting, sounds like they scrapped the hotel.

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On 1/4/2020 at 2:39 PM, KJHburg said:

When will I see a shovel in the ground for the new Publix anchored 10 Tryon?  Today. 

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Starting to look like actual construction may be sooner than we think!  Developer has also increased the Size/Height (To 15 Stories) of the development.  This thing could break ground before the end of the year now that the contract has been signed by Publix.  I earlier estimated a ground breaking around 3Q of 2020 - that’s still my guess.

 

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Sounds like Publix and an office anchor tenant, there shouldn’t be anything stopping this. Great news.  
 

And the future leasing agents at the Ellis just did a happy dance. Walkable grocery is an excellent selling point. 

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2 minutes ago, Mgelbach said:

But is there even enough people in this area to support an apple store? I feel like it would be a better fit in Southend.

lol I was just being sarcastic...since there was an intense Apple/retail discussion going on in the B Tower thread (should have used blue text).  Only Apples being sold in this area will be inside the Publix.  

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Just now, CharlotteWkndBuzz said:

lol I was just being sarcastic...since there was an intense Apple/retail discussion going on in the B Tower thread (should have used blue text).  Only Apples being sold in this area will be inside the Publix.  

My bad I was totally being sarcastic too, still haven't gotten a hang of the blue text. Super excited about another grocery store close to the blue line though!

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2 hours ago, j-man said:

My wish is that they make that lot across from it into a nice urban park.

My contention is that when they re-connect 10th and extend it across the Blue Line and College and reconnect it at Tryon, that they keep Pfifer Avenue as it is, and make the resulting mini-block between Phifer, Tryon, 10th and College a park. I think it would be nice sized, self contained park for upper Tryon.

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