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Walking paths, dog parks and jungle gyms...and a couple of giant 1-2 story government buildings. What are we doing? This is a downtown not a county government operations campus. 

Just scrape the area of all buildings and concrete. Throw some soil  and seed down and maintain the lawns....that's it...nothing else. 

Put the property up for lease/sale. Market it for high rise/high density ONLY. Let the developers come to you and come up with the plans.

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City has a basic survey for interested residents on their .gov page.  I like the design and the incorporation of art, colors, outdoor community elements, rooftop, etc.  Height would be nice, but since

The city has since responded.  https://www.stpaulsdistrict.org/post/response-to-bloomberg-article-about-st-paul-s-area-published-september-22-2020-by-caleb-melby?fbclid=IwAR1WYvPQKWeo9oghKESzG_7_

The city needs to do a better job of proposing an actual plan for the TG residents. That doesn't mean empty promises of employment training, jobs during construction, or moving them to other public ho

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1 hour ago, Willy18 said:

Walking paths, dog parks and jungle gyms...and a couple of giant 1-2 story government buildings. What are we doing? This is a downtown not a county government operations campus. 

Just scrape the area of all buildings and concrete. Throw some soil  and seed down and maintain the lawns....that's it...nothing else. 

Put the property up for lease/sale. Market it for high rise/high density ONLY. Let the developers come to you and come up with the plans.

It's like Norfolk is constantly trying to become Virginia Beach at the same time Virginia Beach is constantly trying to become Norfolk. Just be yourselves, lol.

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There's a lot of positives in those renderings.

  • Activates currently inactive areas
  • Doesn't "wall-off" the water with high structures
  • Will (should) funnel future private development (taller, denser) towards and into downtown proper
  • Connects NSU to downtown nicely
  • Leaves opportunities for taller development (casino) if a serious proposal.
  • Helps Harbor Park become more of a destination outside of ball game/event hours
  • Nice waterfront promenade/walkway tying into downtown
  • Imagine Harbor Fest stretching from NSU/Harbor Park, through downtown and to Fort Norfolk, all walkable, landscaped, safe, etc.
  • Activates recreational water usage
  • Probably mitigates some flooding issues

We all want Norfolk to explode with high-rises (myself included). Those should be for downtown proper. I'm OK with the vision here.

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3 minutes ago, carolinaboy said:

There's a lot of positives in those renderings.

  • Activates currently inactive areas
  • Doesn't "wall-off" the water with high structures
  • Will (should) funnel future private development (taller, denser) towards and into downtown proper
  • Connects NSU to downtown nicely
  • Leaves opportunities for taller development (casino) if a serious proposal.
  • Helps Harbor Park become more of a destination outside of ball game/event hours
  • Nice waterfront promenade/walkway tying into downtown
  • Imagine Harbor Fest stretching from NSU/Harbor Park, through downtown and to Fort Norfolk, all walkable, landscaped, safe, etc.
  • Activates recreational water usage
  • Probably mitigates some flooding issues

We all want Norfolk to explode with high-rises (myself included). Those should be for downtown proper. I'm OK with the vision here.

This is  not written in stone. They said that the Casino and the hotels for the museum is still in play 

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But why dump millions into this land to make it look like a city park...it's not? Only for developer(s) to come along and rip it apart for high-rises. Like I said, clean it up so the developer(s) have a clean slate and hold their feet to the fire with the citys vision. While we wait and the grass starts growing people can walk their dogs, play frisbee and take selfies until the earth movers arrive. Then Norfolk can work with the developer to incorporate green space into the construction design.  

I do agree, a river walk connecting Harbor Park to Waterside and FN is a very good plan. That doesn't have to happen now though...let's get some big developers on the hook first. There's zero tax revenue coming in on a walking path and big azz park...just sayin.     

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3 hours ago, vdogg said:

It's like Norfolk is constantly trying to become Virginia Beach at the same time Virginia Beach is constantly trying to become Norfolk. Just be yourselves, lol.

Or (wait for it) become one jurisdiction and offer the best of both worlds...

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Part of that becoming a Greenway inland was always going to happen, its just a question of how much. That area has a high risk for flooding as well as sea level rise. Im pretty sure that area use to be an old Creek back in the day that was filled it. 

I really don't like the idea of park space next to the interstate, too noisy. They really need to start evaluating alternatives for the the interstate redesign. 

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The sky is falling! Run for the hills! This Seal Level Rise Coastal Flooding Land Subsidence Resiliency Resilience Officer/Grand Pubah-Czarina will surely have her way here (read her warning in the article), and so the whole area will eventually be relegated to green-space, exclusively. When Harbor Park reaches the end of her functional life, she will be razed and moved to higher ground...like Suffolk!  

Watch as fear spreads like a cancer  aided by official city govt policy & surrounding land values plummet as they have been doing in residential waterfront and water-adjacent Downtown & the Hague! The tax base will shrink, nowhere to expand, people move out, taxes go up, vicious cycle leads to a reckoning for Norfolk that makes  Mother Nature's wrath look like child's play! Yay!

 

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I don't understand the hate for this proposal. Every SPQ proposal had a green space that looks essentially like this. Even in the images SPQ is gridded up nicely. 

If you want high rise buildings, you need to limit developable land to the point it makes sense to build up. This takes up a huge chunk of land with a beautiful green space. 

This vision has a ton of advantages.

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Am I the only one on this entire board that suspects that all the "kinda urban" development or the lack thereof is actually deliberate?

Like...I believe the city officials know that urban growth leads to hope and individualism and considering how many military installations are in the area and the idea that many of the people in the area serve the armed forces in some way, I would think the last thing any community in the 7 cities would want to do is encourage individualism.  The military is all about being agreeable and basically, soldiers.  Ever think about how personal capitalism would go against that in their eyes??? 

Seriously!  No one else thinks it's suspicious how bad so many of the decisions are?????????

I can't be the only one who sees this

 

On the other hand....

https://www.alexmarshall.org/2007/09/24/urban-renewal-in-norfolk/

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The urban renewal and Princess Anne/Norfolk County becoming cities will always be the greatest what-ifs for this region. I'd love to see the alternate Tidewater where 1) Norfolk doesn't become so bulldozer happy, tearing down slums but renovating older buildings on Main and Granby, and 2) parts of the two former counties (let's say half of each) eventually become part of Norfolk.

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It could be good news but when reading the article the city could be charged a few arms and legs to get it. Now I'm all for Norfolk acquiring this parcel but it needs to be reasonably done so. Besides there's no way the USPS needs the same sized facility given they only process incoming mail now.

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5 hours ago, carolinaboy said:

Arena site.

The more I think about it, the more I like this idea. It’s off a major road, close to the Interstate, has enough land for the building and at least one garage, and the Scope wouldn’t lose business during the construction phase. It would be the perfect major project to officially kickoff the SPQ revitalization. 

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