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Isle of Capri loses slot deal

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So, now that the Isle of Capri are out of the Arena building business, what does this hold for the future of the Penguins?

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How does Omaha Pengiuns, Kansas City Penguins, or Oklahoma City Penguins sound to you? Pittsburgh is a very over stretched sports market with three major sports and just over 2 million in population.

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How does Omaha Pengiuns, Kansas City Penguins, or Oklahoma City Penguins sound to you? Pittsburgh is a very over stretched sports market with three major sports and just over 2 million in population.

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^it would be nice if they could move back to hartford, hartford was a great hockey town, but when they come back will residents emprace hartford penguins? or will they beg and hope for the whalers to return?

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^it would be nice if they could move back to hartford, hartford was a great hockey town, but when they come back will residents emprace hartford penguins? or will they beg and hope for the whalers to return?

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^according to ESPN this morning, I really don't like to listen to them, but they said it looks like Kansas City is the front runner.

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^according to ESPN this morning, I really don't like to listen to them, but they said it looks like Kansas City is the front runner.

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Well, they do have a brand new arena, but if Pittsburgh is considered a stretched out market, wouldn't that make KC an even more stretched out market? Also, it won't be easy to move the team, Bettman already put the kibosh on the recent owner-to-be's plan because he didn't want to be tied to Pitt if they didn't have a new arena. I would assume he'd legally have to make the same demands of any new potential buyers...

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^surprising they would want an NHL franchise over NBA. Especially since the hornets may move, and sonics are looking to move possibly.

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^surprising they would want an NHL franchise over NBA. Especially since the hornets may move, and sonics are looking to move possibly.

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I guess their market surveys showed more support for NHL than NBA. If the Hornets move they look destined for Oklahoma City. That leaves the Sonics up for grabs and looking more and more like possibly the Penguins.

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Has hartford invested in building a new arena? Also, is KC the only city in "the race" that has a new arena to try and draw an ownership?

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Pittsburgh CMSA: 2,478,883

Kansas City CMSA: 2,015,282

Census 2005 estimates.

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Don't know where you got your estimates, but the numbers are closer to 2.35 million for PGH and 2.1 million for KC. Pittsburgh still declined in population, at a slower rate, but still declined. KC is growing slightly.

Unless PGH added even a few more conties to its MSA.

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Looks like Kansas City is in the lead to get the Pens. They're still Pittsburghs to lose though.

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Looks like Kansas City is in the lead to get the Pens. They're still Pittsburghs to lose though.

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I would think so. That's why you have a team called the Lakers in LA and a team called the Jazz in Utah. Teams seem to keep their names even when it doesn't make regional sense. The Penguins are a little more generic though. I wonder if they would keep the black and gold colors???

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Don't know where you got your estimates, but the numbers are closer to 2.35 million for PGH and 2.1 million for KC. Pittsburgh still declined in population, at a slower rate, but still declined. KC is growing slightly.

Unless PGH added even a few more conties to its MSA.

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I would think so. That's why you have a team called the Lakers in LA and a team called the Jazz in Utah. Teams seem to keep their names even when it doesn't make regional sense. The Penguins are a little more generic though. I wonder if they would keep the black and gold colors???

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From the US Census Bureau (as stated in my previous post). And I listed the populations for CMSAs, not MSA... which would be more relevant in this discussion (CMSA adds Lawrence County / New Castle to PGH's MSA). The MSA number for KC would be under 2 million... though your PGH MSA number is accurate (the only county added to the MSA since 2000 was rural Armstrong in 2003). And while PGH metro continues to decline in population... it continues to increase in wealth.

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offtopic but bruins give up 10 in a game, and 3 in 45 seconds =/

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Here is the wikipedia entry for defunct/moved NHL teams:

* Oakland Seals (1967-1976; renamed California Golden Seals in 1970, became Cleveland Barons in 1976, merged with the Minnesota North Stars after the 1978 season).

* Kansas City Scouts (1974-1976; became Colorado Rockies)

* Cleveland Barons (1976-1978; merged with Minnesota North Stars)

* Atlanta Flames (1972-1980; became Calgary Flames)

* Colorado Rockies (1976-1982; became New Jersey Devils)

* Minnesota North Stars (1967-1993; became Dallas Stars)

* Quebec Nordiques (1979-1995; became Colorado Avalanche)

* Winnipeg Jets (1979-1996; became Phoenix Coyotes)

* Hartford Whalers (1979-1997; became Carolina Hurricanes)

When the Nordiques moved to Denver/Colorado, the major league baseball team had the Rockies name, so they were named the Avalanche. Atlanta didn't try to get the "Flames" name back with their expansion team, dubbed the Thrashers.

Also of note, Kansas City had the team that is now the New Jersey Devils, its name changing twice.

Another NBA move that kept their name is the former Vancouver/current Memphis Grizzlies. The Washington Wizards were the Bullets, but changed their name to remove the firearm-related connotation.

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Here is the wikipedia entry for defunct/moved NHL teams:

* Oakland Seals (1967-1976; renamed California Golden Seals in 1970, became Cleveland Barons in 1976, merged with the Minnesota North Stars after the 1978 season).

* Kansas City Scouts (1974-1976; became Colorado Rockies)

* Cleveland Barons (1976-1978; merged with Minnesota North Stars)

* Atlanta Flames (1972-1980; became Calgary Flames)

* Colorado Rockies (1976-1982; became New Jersey Devils)

* Minnesota North Stars (1967-1993; became Dallas Stars)

* Quebec Nordiques (1979-1995; became Colorado Avalanche)

* Winnipeg Jets (1979-1996; became Phoenix Coyotes)

* Hartford Whalers (1979-1997; became Carolina Hurricanes)

When the Nordiques moved to Denver/Colorado, the major league baseball team had the Rockies name, so they were named the Avalanche. Atlanta didn't try to get the "Flames" name back with their expansion team, dubbed the Thrashers.

Also of note, Kansas City had the team that is now the New Jersey Devils, its name changing twice.

Another NBA move that kept their name is the former Vancouver/current Memphis Grizzlies. The Washington Wizards were the Bullets, but changed their name to remove the firearm-related connotation.

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