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Now hold on just a second... is there a realiable source that says the glowing object was in the sky for an hour? I assumed that this was true from the first post, but having read over the newspaper and military reports of the incident several times now, all I can find is that the entire incident lasted just over an hour. That includes quite a lot of time shooting at small airplanes, not at the "UFO". This is the same error that was made in the statement that 1500 rounds of ammo were shot at it, when in fact 1500 rounds were used at many targets.

The more I read into this, the more it sounds like it's constructed of the typical elements of an urban legend: quotes out of context, half-truths, and a lot of speculation. I was going to write a longer response but I'd rather hold off until we can confirm from a primary source that this object was actually targeted for the length of time that has been reported in this thread.

actually I heard it on one of those news clips. They were firing at the object for an hour

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Quotes from the Glendale (CA) Free Press, the next morning:

Observers lent some credence to the blimp theory by pointing out that the object

required nearly thirty minutes to travel 20 or 25 miles-far slower then an airplane.

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Observers said the object appeared to be 8000 ft or higher.

Firing, first heard at 3 a.m., ceased suddenly at 3:30 a.m., after the object

disappeared south of Signal Hill, at the east edge of Long Beach. Anti-aircraft guns

fired steadily for two minute periods, were silent for about 45 seconds, and continued

that routine for nearly a half an hour.

Quote from Joseph Trainor, UFO theorist who wrote a 1998 article summarizing the incident:

Lt. Gen. John L. DeWitt issued the cease-fire order, and the twenty-minute "battle of Los Angeles" was over.

Quote from Jeff Rense, UFO enthusiast whose website covers the incident in detail:

The attack on the object lasted over half an hour before the visitor eventually disappeared from sight.

30 minutes < 1 hour

Quote from author Ralph Blum, eyewitness toward the beginning of the incident when the object was over Hollywood heading east:

The "white cigar-shaped object" took several direct hits but continued on its eastward flight.

Quote from C. Scott Littleton, Professor Emeritus at Occidental College, and eyewitness toward the beginning of the incident when the object was over Hermose Beach heading east:

The planes we'd heard were not in sight, but what captured our rapt attention was a silvery, lozenge-shaped "bug," as my mother later described it, whose bright glow was clearly visible in the searchlight beams that pinpointed it. Although it was a clear, moonlit night, no other details were visible, despite the fact that, when we first saw it, the object was hanging motionless almost directly overhead. Its altitude is hard to estimate, especially after all these years, but I'd guess that it was somewhere between 4,000 and 8,000 feet. This may explain why we didn't see the orange glow reported by several eyewitnesses in Santa Monica and Culver City, where the object was apparently much lower.

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Precisely how long we'd stood there is anybody's guess, though I suspect that the whole episode, from our leaving the shelter to meeting my father as he returned to house for good, lasted about twenty-five minutes. As I recall, the firing ceased altogether shortly thereafter (the "all clear" didn't actually sound until 7:30 a.m.), but nobody went to bed that night.

We can gather two critical pieces of information from these primary sources:

1) Though it is true that the entire "battle" lasted about an hour, the "UFO" was targeted by artillery fire for only 20-30 minutes. While this may seem like a long time, you have to keep in mind that artillery fire comes in bursts and is not continuous; the object probably took about 10-15 minutes of actual bombardment.

2) Nobody witnessed anything "glowing" over the ocean prior to the beginning of artillery fire. Witnesses at beaches west of LA saw a white object, illuminated by searchlights, flying at a high altitude. Witnesses in central and eastern LA saw an orange object, flying at a lower but still significant altitude.

This is ALL consistent with the balloon hypothesis. Clearly the object developed a glow as it received more intense bombardment, consistent with a balloon catching fire. In fact, the early report at 3:06am on the timeline indicates that the balloon was "carrying a red flare", suggesting the fire started locally and became more intense as time passed. It dropped in altitude heading eastward, consistent with wind direction and with flak damage. When you get into these details, the dramatic picture painted by UFO enthusiasts begins to fall apart... replaced by a pretty clear image of a balloon drifting across an air raid, being shot at for about 25 minutes, gradually catching fire, and landing in the ocean.

Of course, none of this can be "proven" beyond the wildest possible explanation. But at this point I'd say the evidence is shifted pretty heavily against the UFO hypothesis, to the extent that a pro-UFO theorist would have to make a very long stretch of the imagination to believe that an alien spacecraft would have been at the center of the incident.

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A size comparison of a mile long craft such as seen over Texas is almost staggering: a mile long blimp would be 6.5 Hindenburgs laid end-to-end. At half a mile wide, it would be as wide as 3.25 Hindenburgs laid end-to-end.

If our government is indeed experimenting with such an enormous craft, I hope I'm alive when it's unveiled.:)

by the way, what makes this sighting so cool is that highly credible witnesses offer the same description of the object.

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It was about an an hour...even if it were 30 minutes,,,,thats still a very long time to fire at somethingg without bringing it down.

A size comparison of a mile long craft such as seen over Texas is almost staggering: a mile long blimp would be 6.5 Hindenburgs laid end-to-end. At half a mile wide, it would be as wide as 3.25 Hindenburgs laid end-to-end.

If our government is indeed experimenting with such an enormous craft, I hope I'm alive when it's unveiled.:)

by the way, what makes this sighting so cool is that highly credible witnesses offer the same description of the object.

If the goverenment has backengineered advanced technology and have discovered anti-gravity propulsion, they could make a craft any size they wanted to.

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It was about an an hour...even if it were 30 minutes,,,,thats still a very long time to fire at somethingg without bringing it down.

Another distinct possibility:

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This is a photograph of an anti-submarine observation balloon being launched from the deck of the USS Arizona shortly before the ship was sunk at Pearl Harbor. These balloons were used throughout WWII to spot Japanese subs because they were designed to move slowly even in fairly high winds.

Perhaps the mystery object wasn't a meteorological balloon or Japanese blimp at all... perhaps it was the property of the US Navy. Remember, the "object" was originally spotted 120 miles off the coast; I would imagine that the Navy would have had ships in the area searching for signs of an approaching Japanese fleet. If they had been using the blimp during the day, it's entirely possible that a careless seaman would have improperly secured it, and been helpless to watch it float away at night. What people on the ground would have seen, would have been a silvery blimp-shaped object drifting slowly eastward over Los Angeles; once the artillery began it would undoubtedly have caught fire due to ordnance exploding around it in every direction, but it's a big enough dirigible not to have crashed immediately to the ground. The small flak-holes would have caused it to lose altitude gradually, allowing flames to encase it before it finally crashed into the sea.

This would explain Frank Knox's immediate denial that anything had really happened -- the last thing the Navy would want is for the American population to know that a major friendly-fire incident had occurred as a result of incompetent seamanship. It would also explain the Army's indignant retort that the incident was legitimate -- the branches have never communicated well, especially when reputation is on the line. And finally, it would explain the apparent lack of follow-up regarding the real identity of the object -- there is absolutely no way the Office of Censorship would have allowed the press to release reports that a Navy balloon had been responsible for this incident.

The unidentified airplanes could have been either Japanese observation planes taking a look at the incident to determine artillery positions, or Navy planes following the balloon and taking evasive maneuvers to dodge friendly fire. Either way, it's no big surprise that the downed planes were officially undiscovered... and even less of a surprise that the wreckage of the balloon would have "washed away" in Navy-patrolled waters.

So there's a very likely coverup story behind this afterall: it really was a conspiracy!

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The problem with that is that the goverenment has not come forward to say that. It would not be a secret today so there would be no need for the cover-up. Today the goverenment says its unknown and cleary if it were that balloon they wouldnt be saying its unknown today. Its like Roswell. Why would the government wait 50 years to come forward and say the crash debre in Roswell was from the project mogul weather balloon when Project Mogul had been declassified many years before they came forward with that explaination? and since Project Mogul was suppose to be top secret, why would they say it was a weather balloon in the first place back in 1947? that doesnt make sense and clearly the goverenment is still trying to sweep Roswell under the rug. First they said they had a flying disc then they changed it to a weather balloon which is what project mogul was. And their explaination for the bodies that witnesses saw in 1947 at Roswell was rediculous. They said they were burnt crash dummies even though they didnt drop dummies til 1952. When that was brought to their attention the goverenment then said people were just confused and mixing things up they saw at different times. Their explanations are getting more and more ludicrous.

Basically the only way the goverenment could explain away Roswell today is to use a real project that was taken place in the vicinty of Roswell during that time. Its a similar argument you are trying to present which is using real events that happen near LA in 1942 to cast doubt that the object in the sky they were shooting at was a UFO.

Here is an interesting story. School children in african reported seeing a UFO and extraterestrials. Its interesting because they are describing characteristics of the UFO and the aliens themselves yet they have no TV in that part of Africa so the children didnt see UFO material on TV. They describe them as little men with big black eyes and that the extraterestrials can talk to them in their heads. That part of Africa really has hardly any contact with the rest of the world so how can we explain what they saw?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctimRp7VKU4

and another interesting story. Apparently people in the 1897 were reporting "creatures" from a crashed "airship" and they buried one of the creature that died in a graveyard. During that time there was a rash of "airship" sightings which were reported in the newspapers in 1897. They described them as cigar-shaped airships that could fly at fast speeds and flew quietly. The Aurora UFO Incident is an alleged UFO crash that occurred on April 19, 1897 in Aurora, Texas. A UFO is said to have hit Judge J.S. Proctor's windmill resulting in its crash, and the burial of the dead pilot at an unmarked grave at the Aurora cemetery. The Aurora cemetery contains a Texas Historical Commission marker mentioning the incident. A portion of the second paragraph on the marker states, This site is also well known because of the legend that a spaceship crashed nearby in 1897 and the pilot, killed in the crash, was buried here. At the time of the incident, the Dallas Morning Herald reported that the pilot of the craft was "not of this world" and that the "being" was buried at the local cemetery. Fragments of the crash were dumped down the well which were radioative. People drinking water from the well suffered ailments consistant with getting in contact with radioactive material. In 1995 pieces of metal were uncovered including metal the residents kept over the years and metal was 95% aluminum, and 5% iron. This is very uncommon in nature, especially to find no zinc along with the samples. Scientists agree that it would have had to be synthesized, a process too advanced for the time. The graveyard was also searched, where a marker was uncovered that appeared to show a flying saucer of some sort. Metal detectors detected readings just like those of the above-mentioned sample. This happened in Aurora, TX. Ironically NASA calls it secret "space plane" The Aurora.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuP60G2-OSU...feature=related

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The legend of the mile long Texas UFO seems to be on it's way to becoming one of the biggest UFO events in history. Last night, Larry King devoted the entire hour of his CNN show to the event.

Eyewitnesses, researchers, and scientists discussed the recent event in-depth. The eyewitnesses were clearly not sensational type folks. They were highly credible.

One skeptical scientist claimed the sighting was flares sent up by the military---but his postulate was immediately shot down by two eyewitnesses who say the craft floated over their house, and was indeed one single object, not several flares.

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The legend of the mile long Texas UFO seems to be on it's way to becoming one of the biggest UFO events in history. Last night, Larry King devoted the entire hour of his CNN show to the event.

Eyewitnesses, researchers, and scientists discussed the recent event in-depth. The eyewitnesses were clearly not sensational type folks. They were highly credible.

One skeptical scientist claimed the sighting was flares sent up by the military---but his postulate was immediately shot down by two eyewitnesses who say the craft floated over their house, and was indeed one single object, not several flares.

I was getting ready to make a post on this. You beat me to it ;)

I find it amazing that the skeptic on there just refused to believe it was a UFO when he didnt even see it. Thousands of people reported the Pheonix Lights and many said that the lights, which stretched more than a half a mile was one single object because it covered the stars in the sky in between the lights. Some even clearly saw the shape. The researcher that was on Larry King said that there are members in the president's cabinet (who remain annomynous) that believe in UFOs based on info they've been privied to and that even today NASA has satelites circling the moon take pictures of artifical anomalies. For decades NASA has known about these "artificial structures" on the moon, some being ancient and some that look as though they were constructed today.

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I also think its very possible that there are indeed artificial structures on the moon. Scientist now theorize that the moon is not of earth based on its make up and realtive size to the earth. In other words the moon came from somewhere else and somehow got into earth's orbit. Just what if there were intellegent life on mars in the remote past long before life evolved on earth. Scientist agree that Mars once had a warmer climate and had abundant water on the surface. Maybe life intellegent life evolved to the point that space travel was even possible. On earth evidence that old wouldnt survive because of the environmental changes that take place on the earth but in an environment such as the moon, something could be built there and it can still be there in pristine condition billions of years later. Its possible.

As for the "phoenix lights" many people said they saw the lights as ONE wedge shaped object stretching roughly half a mile across. Many said the areas between the lights blacked out the stars indicating a solid object. Some clearly saw the shape. The governor of Arizona at the time said he clearly saw the half mile wedge shaped object in the sky and that it was completely silent. Whats interesting is that the military did go up and drop flares that night but there were two events. One where the military dropped flares in a so called miltary training exercise and the other one being the huge craft. Many now say that the military was only creating a diversion away from the big craft by making people think the lights were nothing but flares. Flares were indeed dropped that night but it was meant to be a diversion. Ironically the training exercise was dubbed Operation "Snowbird". In military jargon Snowbird means "diversion"

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Read this. This is VERY interesting. It was retreived under the freedom of information act and is an actual goverenment document about the Bentwaters UFO incedent. You cant get any more proof than this without having an alien body or UFO wreckage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcoBeqRKk-M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLX1Eh3qCrM...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lADHL85TBn8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFVt6Vy0Oys...feature=related

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I think this would probabally be THE primary reason for covering up UFOs if they are real. According to some so called "leaked" British documents, the extraterestrials or EBEs claimed they created Christ and that they could show proof of that. Supposedly they had a way of projecting things that happened in the past sort of like the way we use video or digtal cameras to record things. Supposedly according to the documents they had "visual recordings" of Christ dying on the cross. The document does mention that it could be a "deception tatic" Just maybe if these beings are real, they could be a product of the devil trying to decieve the world, everything the Bible says will happen in the end of times. What if things that are being covered up are more "spirtual" in nature than extraterestrial. That goes back to the belief by many that extraterestrials are actually the fallen angels mentioned in the book of Genesis. But let for the sake of argument say that the above were true, that would be a big reason to cover this up at all cost. I mean what if these beings were saying there is no God and that they created us or had a hand in our creation? That would shake and rattle the foundations of the world's belief system whether it be true or not. I will say this, The goverenments of the world are afraid of something and they dont want the world to know about it. Its very obvious that the UFO phenomena is real and the secrets that the goverenments are covering up could be more frightening than we could imagine. Remember...thousands of years ago people thought the Sun revolved around the earth. The Catholic church knew that the earth revolved around the sun and they tried to supress that knowledge for centuries. What are our leaders trying to supress today?

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On earth evidence that old wouldnt survive because of the environmental changes that take place on the earth but in an environment such as the moon, something could be built there and it can still be there in pristine condition billions of years later. Its possible.

Also, cellular life appears to have just popped up out of "nowhere" on earth. There is really no plausible scientific explanation for this problem in the biological timeline, and attempts to explain it are unfortunately compromised by the creation/evolution debate. But it's important for scientists to be able to honestly admit that there is, to be blunt, no rational theory for how a puddle of superheated goo can turn into a cellular organism.

Lately it seems like the best explanation on the table is that cellular life came to us via organisms frozen in the water of an earthbound meteorite. Of course this opens up other questions -- it STILL had to originate somewhere, and there is even less of a chance of us being able to figure it out if cellular life has extraterrestrial roots. And how far did the meteorite travel -- did it break off from the moon or Mars? But it is at least a very basic, very general explanation for a huge evolutionary problem, which has some support from our discovery of water on Mars. So, without jumping in with both feet, I think it's kinda cool to at least imagine that we are, after all the descendents of tiny organisms which were at one time the lowest level of life on an earthlike planet.

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This is a documentary about the bentwaters UFO incedent its in four parts and you should see the other parts in the links on the right. but this is very interesting and involved actually military officers saying the saw and touched the UFO. there is actual audio tape recording of what the officers saw during the time they saw it. It even talks about the official goverenment document that proves the event took place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh4etkErSVs...feature=related

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Also, cellular life appears to have just popped up out of "nowhere" on earth. There is really no plausible scientific explanation for this problem in the biological timeline, and attempts to explain it are unfortunately compromised by the creation/evolution debate. But it's important for scientists to be able to honestly admit that there is, to be blunt, no rational theory for how a puddle of superheated goo can turn into a cellular organism.

Lately it seems like the best explanation on the table is that cellular life came to us via organisms frozen in the water of an earthbound meteorite. Of course this opens up other questions -- it STILL had to originate somewhere, and there is even less of a chance of us being able to figure it out if cellular life has extraterrestrial roots. And how far did the meteorite travel -- did it break off from the moon or Mars? But it is at least a very basic, very general explanation for a huge evolutionary problem, which has some support from our discovery of water on Mars. So, without jumping in with both feet, I think it's kinda cool to at least imagine that we are, after all the descendents of tiny organisms which were at one time the lowest level of life on an earthlike planet.

Science has been able to replicate the creation of Amino Acids from "goo", and Proteins are made up of Amino Acids, so it may not be that far fetched to think that life could form eventually in this fashion.

I don't disagree with the notion that comets or meteorites contin precious minerals that may be necessary for creating life, but if cellular material can evolve on a alien planet so that it could be frozen in water and eventually make its way to the Earth, why couldn't it evolve here just as easily?

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The governor of Arizona at the time said he clearly saw the half mile wedge shaped object in the sky and that it was completely silent.

The same governor held a news conference later to announce that they arrested the responsible party then showcased the subject to reporters:

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The same governor held a news conference later to announce that they arrested the responsible party then showcased the subject to reporters:

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you didnt research further. The governor said he made a mistake doing that and that it wasnt meant to make light of the situation. He said at the time he couldnt say what he saw because it would end his political career. Now that hes not governor he is talking. If I were governor I wouldnt say anything either. One Phoenix city-council member got voted out of office because of her public investigation into the Phoenix lights.

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Well the military has come forward to say the enormous UFO in Texas was US jets. That should put all our minds at rest. Afterall the government has always been so forthright about such things.

At one mile long, those are some mighty big jets!

Its funny because all the goverenment has to do is say they're jets, weather balloons, flares, swamp gas, the planet Venus, ect and the public will automatically believe them just because it sounds like a "sane" explaination. Thats why uncovering the event that happened in Aurora, Tx back in the late 1800s is very important because you cant say the objects flying around in the skies were planes or helicopters or weather ballons. Right before that crash in Aurora in the 19th century, people were reporting silver "airships" going hundreds of miles per hour making right hand turns. The same manuevers that people report today. These reports were put in the newspapers all throughout the west. Sorry folks you cant say they were planes because planes didnt exist. The first plane flew in 1903 by the Wright Brothers in North Carolina. Even balloons of the time couldnt perform those manuevers. Shooting stars dont stop in mid air and make right hand turns either. And the planet Venus stays in one spot.

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That is a BS response; no way these people saw jets that day. Does the government think we're all a bunch of idiots? The object seen may have been a top secret government craft, but to insult the intelligence of the witnesses is appalling. This goes to show they are just grasping at straws to explain it at this point. Once again the government has lost all credibility.

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That is a BS response; no way these people saw jets that day. Does the government think we're all a bunch of idiots? The object seen may have been a top secret government craft, but to insult the intelligence of the witnesses is appalling. This goes to show they are just grasping at straws to explain it at this point. Once again the government has lost all credibility.

Of course the government can make outlandish claims (i.e. the Texas UFO was jets) because the American people don't give a damn. Americans are much more interested in Paris Hilton's arrest, or Lohan's community service, or Brittany's child custody controversies.

Whenever the government says something to discredit UFO sightings, the sleeping American people swallow it whole every time. Then the media ridicules sightings, and that's the end of the story......

Perhaps the majority of the American people are just too damn dumb to be interested in anything besides Lohan working in a morgue.

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Perhaps the majority of the American people are just too damn dumb to be interested in anything besides Lohan working in a morgue.

:thumbsup:

Your average American citizen couldn't give a rat's ass about anything that impacts their world just as long as they have their daily dose of celebrity gossip and lies that are spoon-fed to them by the current administration.

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Well the military is changing it's initial story about the UFO sighting over Stephenville, Texas.

At first the military claimed there was nothing going on that night in the skies. Now they are saying that yes there were military jets in the skies that night doing manuevers.

Too little too late. This is a blatant insult to the highly credible people who saw what they saw. Local resident Steve Allen called the object "as big as a Wal-Mart". C'mon now, how could so many people mistake jets for an object of that enormity?

Some witnesses actually did see military jets that night----chasing an object like a bat out of Hell.

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