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There's also the problem of physics as it relates to space travel. Unless there are navigable "wormholes" -- and that is at best unlikely -- then it is physically impossible to travel between solar systems at anything quicker than the speed of light. And the light takes tens of millions of years to get from one star system to another... so unless these are some VERY long-lived aliens with a huge amount of expendable time on their hands, they wouldn't survive the journey based on timeframe alone. That's not a matter of technological limitations, it's a matter of physics.

exactly and that would mean, aliens are capable of acessing these worm holes. There could also be another phenomina that we as humans dont understand.

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^ Yes, but when we get into business such as moving as fast as light, we're talking about mathematical impossibility. It's not a "flat earth" kind of situation, in the sense that scientists knew thousands of years before Columbus that the earth was round because of mathematical proofs. For aliens to travel faster than light, would be like finding out that the earth is indeed flat after all.

Have you considered the notion that there could be a "new" kind of physics that we dont understand? I know its hard to believe because of the reports of how these things fly, operate and where they come from. It seems like magic but there is science behind it. Just think what people in the 19th centurey would think about a cell phone. It would seem like magic to them that some one could talk to some one thousands of miles away in a device thats not connected to any thing. Its still amazing to me when you really think about how voice can travel through electronic waves and you can only hear them at the receiving end. I think most average people dont even understand how ordinary things we use work.

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I understand what you're saying, but traveling faster than the speed of light is on a whole different level than exploiting electronic waves to communicate messages. It's simply physically impossible for anything, including objects and even information, to travel faster than the speed of light. I would refer to Wikipedia'sarticle on light-speed travel for more details, but the point is that even travel near the speed of light is highly speculative in nature.

The most significant criticism of current UFO theory is that it fails to really account for these details. Most proponents simply gloss over the "how"s and "why"s of the situation by calling the human race technologically primitive, but that's really not enough of an explanation for how mathematical certainties -- including fundamental causality -- can be violated.

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I understand what you're saying, but traveling faster than the speed of light is on a whole different level than exploiting electronic waves to communicate messages. It's simply physically impossible for anything, including objects and even information, to travel faster than the speed of light. I would refer to Wikipedia'sarticle on light-speed travel for more details, but the point is that even travel near the speed of light is highly speculative in nature.

The most significant criticism of current UFO theory is that it fails to really account for these details. Most proponents simply gloss over the "how"s and "why"s of the situation by calling the human race technologically primitive, but that's really not enough of an explanation for how mathematical certainties -- including fundamental causality -- can be violated.

Yes in our sphere of existence, it appears the speed of light is the bottom line of bottom lines. I feel we're thinking way way too small.

Before the 1920s, "the Universe" was the Milky Way. Now we know there are billions and billions of other galaxies. Same with the Universe. Perhaps there are countless trillions of Universes and we don't know it yet, and perhaps aliens do.

Other Universes could have different laws of physics, enabling aliens to travel at the snap of a finger into other spheres of reality. We must keep our minds open.

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How's this for a conspiracy theory? Well, it's probably more plausible than most of this topic...

Pervez Musharraf had Benazir Bhutto killed off, not al-Qaida. And she was shot, not this new allegation of slamming her head on a lever and getting killed by injuring herself coming through the sunroof.

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How's this for a conspiracy theory? Well, it's probably more plausible than most of this topic...

Pervez Musharraf had Benazir Bhutto killed off, not al-Qaida. And she was shot, not this new allegation of slamming her head on a lever and getting killed by injuring herself coming through the sunroof.

Pervez...in the ballroom...with the candlestick!

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I understand what you're saying, but traveling faster than the speed of light is on a whole different level than exploiting electronic waves to communicate messages. It's simply physically impossible for anything, including objects and even information, to travel faster than the speed of light. I would refer to Wikipedia'sarticle on light-speed travel for more details, but the point is that even travel near the speed of light is highly speculative in nature.

The most significant criticism of current UFO theory is that it fails to really account for these details. Most proponents simply gloss over the "how"s and "why"s of the situation by calling the human race technologically primitive, but that's really not enough of an explanation for how mathematical certainties -- including fundamental causality -- can be violated.

understand that Albert Einstein theorized that there is a loop hole around the faster than the speed of light law. Its this loop hole that according to some "goverenment officials" say that extraterretrials use to get around the law that scientist say can not be broken. Its always been said that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line but in this "new" physics that Einstein talked about, that is not the case. Space and time are "warped". Its a whole new set of rules.

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Here are a couple of thoughts on aliens and space travel.

1)We usually imagine that these beings are somewhere between 2 and 20 feet tall. Could they, as well as their spacecraft be microscopic in size? Or, with their advanced technology, can they arrive here in microscopic form if they desired?

2)Human beings tend to assume that space travel is a technological issue. Could there be entities with a natural ability to travel through space (and perhaps time) that are otherwise technologically primative?

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Here are a couple of thoughts on aliens and space travel.

1)We usually imagine that these beings are somewhere between 2 and 20 feet tall. Could they, as well as their spacecraft be microscopic in size? Or, with their advanced technology, can they arrive here in microscopic form if they desired?

2)Human beings tend to assume that space travel is a technological issue. Could there be entities with a natural ability to travel through space (and perhaps time) that are otherwise technologically primative?

You bring up an interesting point...just as some animals are able to fly and swim and others cant.

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understand that Albert Einstein theorized that there is a loop hole around the faster than the speed of light law. Its this loop hole that according to some "goverenment officials" say that extraterretrials use to get around the law that scientist say can not be broken. Its always been said that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line but in this "new" physics that Einstein talked about, that is not the case. Space and time are "warped". Its a whole new set of rules.

I'm not sure that this is a perfectly accurate representation of what Einstein's theory implies. Regardless of the warping effects of moving near the speed of light, it still takes a virtually infinite supply of energy for an object to move at that speed. In fact, to move at light speed the object would literally expend infinite energy, which is obviously impossible on a practical and theoretical basis. Moving FASTER than that would require infinite energy plus some more energy, which is an unsolvable paradox regardless of technology.

Again, this is not a technological issue but a mathematical one. We would certainly notice beings moving around our atomosphere burning up unthinkable amounts of energy and causing the cosmic equivalent of a sonic boom.

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How's this for a conspiracy theory? Well, it's probably more plausible than most of this topic...

Pervez Musharraf had Benazir Bhutto killed off, not al-Qaida. And she was shot, not this new allegation of slamming her head on a lever and getting killed by injuring herself coming through the sunroof.

Lowerdeck, I think you may have posted the most believable thing ever in this thread. Notice how everyone ignores it. Funny, things that could actually affect our lives in a terribly negative way never get any attention (see: "weapons of mass destruction).
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How's this for a conspiracy theory? Well, it's probably more plausible than most of this topic...

Pervez Musharraf had Benazir Bhutto killed off, not al-Qaida. And she was shot, not this new allegation of slamming her head on a lever and getting killed by injuring herself coming through the sunroof.

I must admit that I hadn't thought much of Bhutto's assassination, but the CIA sure came to mind quickly. I have been wondering if perhaps the CIA doesn't run Pakistan. A huge majority of Pakistanis believe Osama bin Laden is a CIA agent.

Benazir Bhutto's death was clearly a planned event. Or had they been saying a "lone nut" shot her, too? Who knows what to believe?

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Bhutto would not have re-entered the country if she hadn't been extremely well-assured of her safety. I would look first to see who was guaranteeing her security... quick check shows that it was (surprise) Musharraf's security forces. Apparently she had attempted to obtain private guards from Blackwater but that they were (surprise) blocked from entering the country by the Pakistani government.

Add to this the following tidbits:

- Both the Pakistani and American governments immediately blamed the assassination on Al-Qaeda, within such a small timeframe (under 24 hours) that one wonders if it would even have been possible to check intel info and get it released so quickly if the information were indeed valid.

- Furthermore, not only have the above claims been unsubstantiated so far (the government can't substantiate a claim that it released IMMEDIATELY after the incident, yet it saw fit to make public in the first place?), but in at least one case Al-Qaeda agents have actually DENIED involvement in the assassination -- extremely uncharacteristic of a group that frequently makes false claims of responsibility. I can't think of any other incident in which Al-Qaeda has been accused of a terror attack and denied responsibility.

- It's quite clear that Bhutto herself had specific fears about members of Musharraf's government working behind the scenes to have her killed. Her concerns were so strong that she wrote letters to members of the government and media, naming names and making specific claims about the quality of her security.

The above make a pretty compelling case that the assassination was AT LEAST enabled by the Pakistani government, even if it was performed by an Islamic terror group.

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Pakistan's dictator is saying Bhutto's death "was her own fault". Talk about blaming the victim! What nonsense.

The immediate blaming of Al Quaeda does seem suspect. Interesting how the US and Pakistan released identical statements, and at the same time. The US gives Pakistan $1-2 billion a year just to "go after Al Quaeda"...what a joke. I strongly suspect those billions go straight into numbered Swiss bank accounts.

The US had been "letting" Bhutto live in the States. I assume that means she was affiliated with the CIA while she was on American soil. Wouldn't the CIA have been able to adequately protect her, even on Pakistani soil, if they really wanted to?

Could it be that the CIA and the unseen forces that run this country want to keep tensions high in the Middle East, just to keep the price of oil high? And could all those unaccounted for billions "spent" in Iraq be in secret CIA coffers.....????

The questions can be staggering when one delves deeper in how the CIA actually works. and what the CIA is actually capable of.

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Pakistan's dictator is saying Bhutto's death "was her own fault". Talk about blaming the victim! What nonsense.

What he was trying to say is that Bhutto put herself into a dangerous position. She wanted to be out there with the people, but she left herself open to such an attack. She played roulette and lost, so in a way it was partly her fault. You don't see Musharif out in the public like that because he knows that would be putting his life in danger. Bhutto should have taken more precautions, because she didn't, it cost her life.

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Conspiracy of Scientology update:

A new book by British author Andrew Morton claims Tom Cruise is the #2 man in Scientology. Morton says Cruise is consulted about every issue concerning the movement.

He also says that Cruise's daughter was actually conceived by the frozen sperm of deceased Scientology founder L.Ron Hubbard!

Some fun things Morton mentions in the book are Scientology beliefs that human beings are actually being possessed by aliens from a civilization called Theta, and that the group encourages socializing only with other Scientologists.

The conspiracy of Scientology seems to be that the group is secretly working to get the cult considered a legitimate religion.

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Conspiracy of Scientology update:

A new book by British author Andrew Morton claims Tom Cruise is the #2 man in Scientology. Morton says Cruise is consulted about every issue concerning the movement.

He also says that Cruise's daughter was actually conceived by the frozen sperm of deceased Scientology founder L.Ron Hubbard!

Some fun things Morton mentions in the book are Scientology beliefs that human beings are actually being possessed by aliens from a civilization called Theta, and that the group encourages socializing only with other Scientologists.

The conspiracy of Scientology seems to be that the group is secretly working to get the cult considered a legitimate religion.

So, how long before he's sued or killed?

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So, how long before he's sued or killed?

....hehhee.:) Actually the lawsuit has already been launched!

another note:

Scientologist Tom Cruise has become the persona non gratis of the German government. They constantly make life hard for him. German intelligence must have roomfulls of info on Tom Cruise~~

People forget Germany does not have freedom of religion, as it exists in the States. Scientology is considered a cult there. The German government is going after Scientology relentlessly.

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Here's the Scientology background in a nutshell (and no, I didn't make this up). Info that follows is from Operation Clambake, a group dedicated to "outing" Scientology core beliefs.

The story goes like this: 75 million years ago, there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu who was in charge of 76 planets in our sector of the galaxy (by the way, Earth was known as Teegeeack back then).

All of the planets Xenu controlled were over-populated by, on average, 178 billion people. Social problems dictated that Xenu rid his sector of the galaxy of this overpopulation problem, so he developed a plan. He sent out tax audits to all these billions of people.

As each one entered the audit centers for the income tax inspections, the people were seized, held down and injected with a mixture of alcohol and glycol, and frozen. Then, all 13.5 trillion of these frozen people were put into spaceships. Xenu's entire fleet flew to planet Earth, where the frozen people were dumped in and around volcanoes in the Canary and Hawaiian Islands. When Xenu's Air Force had finished dumping the bodies into the volcanoes, hydrogen bombs were dropped into the volcanoes and the frozen space aliens were destroyed. (I never understood this part--seems that the volcanoes themselves would have already done them in--why use a bomb?)

However, Xenu's plan involved setting up electronic traps in Teegeeack's atmosphere which were designed to trap the souls or spirits of the dead space aliens. When the 13.5 trillion spirits were being blown around on the nuclear winds. The spirits of the aliens were then taken to huge multiplex cinemas that Xenu had previously instructed his forces to build on Teegeeack. In these movie theaters the spirits had to spend many days watching special 3-D movies, the purpose of which was twofold: 1) to implant into these spirits a false reality, i.e. the reality that WOGS (L Ron Hubbard's derisory term for anyone not a Scientologist) know on Earth today; and, 2) to control these spirits for all eternity so that they could never cause trouble for Xenu in this sector of the Galaxy. During these films, many false pictures were implanted into these spirits, which resulted in the spirits believing in all the things that control mankind on Earth today, including religion. The concept of religion, including God, Christ, Mohammed, Moses etc., were all an implanted false reality that to this very minute is used to control WOGS on Earth.

When the films ended and the souls left the cinema, they started to stick together in clusters of a few thousand and remained that way until mankind began to inhabit the Earth. Today on Earth all the spirits of these aliens have attached themselves to our bodies and are the root cause of the false reality that all but Scientology's "Homo Novis" or OT 8's on earth experience. It is the job of all Scientologists to remove this false reality from the world by auditing each and every space alien spirit and human on earth to CLEAR not only this planet but the universe. For those who oppose Scientology and stand in their way like the Lisa McPherson Trust and all Scientology critics, Scientology promises to do away with them "quietly and without sorrow".

To finish the story, the Loyal Officers of the Marcab Confederation finally discovered how evil Xenu was and overthrew him. He is now locked away in a mountain on one of the planets and kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery.

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Well this is pretty interesting.

The you tube clip has actual recorded voice of General Douglas MacArthur in 1955 saying

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war, The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets" General Douglas MacAurther was very close to President Truman and had very high security clearance. Truman was president during the Roswell event in 1947.

strangly Ronald Reagan said something very similar in one of his speeches to the United Nations about us looking past our differences and come together to and face an alien threat from another world.

It also shows actual video and photos of "the battle of Los Angeles" in 1942 The army has spotlights shining at an object in the sky and they are shooting amunition at it. You can cleary see the amunition reflecting and at one point in the video a photo is inverted and you can cleary see a disk shaped craft. The goverenment back then said it was just a weather balloon but the actual footage and photo tells another story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UdM7rKLYE

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Wow I wasn't aware of MacArthur's comment.

Interesting how The Battle of L.A. in 1942 is just now becoming public knowledge. Shows how effortless it is for the government, through the media, to cover up things. The Internet is making it very difficult to hide things these days.

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Well this is pretty interesting.

The you tube clip has actual recorded voice of General Douglas MacArthur in 1955 saying

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war, The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets" General Douglas MacAurther was very close to President Truman and had very high security clearance. Truman was president during the Roswell event in 1947.

strangly Ronald Reagan said something very similar in one of his speeches to the United Nations about us looking past our differences and come together to and face an alien threat from another world.

It also shows actual video and photos of "the battle of Los Angeles" in 1942 The army has spotlights shining at an object in the sky and they are shooting amunition at it. You can cleary see the amunition reflecting and at one point in the video a photo is inverted and you can cleary see a disk shaped craft. The goverenment back then said it was just a weather balloon but the actual footage and photo tells another story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UdM7rKLYE

Are you saying that Tom Cruise and John Travolta could be right?
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Interesting how The Battle of L.A. in 1942 is just now becoming public knowledge. Shows how effortless it is for the government, through the media, to cover up things. The Internet is making it very difficult to hide things these days.

It isn't just now becoming public knowledge. I watched the "Battle of L.A." video a while back. It's such poor quality that it could be anything but it wasn't hidden from public view and there are quite a few websites and books that cover it extensively.

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re: Scientology

youtube has some remarkable videos exposing Scientology's Nazi tactics. Apparently if a reporter or media personality speaks against Scientology, they find themselves being trailed, spied on, harrassed......

Check out this video. Those brainwashed Scientologists certainly seem sinister to me. Menacing...threatening.....

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